Politics White Nationalist Rally turns to violence and terrorism

[Cippy91]

Ohhhhhh, anything anyone says they would like to have happen or suggests it would be a good idea is fascist?

If thinking something makes one a fascist then I'm a fascist.

see how easy it is to be a fascist these days? shit I recall times in history where actual fascism existed but now the simpler things in life are just fascist bro. We are all fascists, tight

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

If that thing they would like to have happen is fascist, then yeah, it makes the idea fascist.

If I'd prefer a master race of space aliens comes down and puts the Nazis to sleep like dogs I'm a fascist? It's just a suggestion.

I mean, I'd be ok with the Nazis dying so I should be celebrated in today's world.

 

[Minstrel]

Did denny say anyone should have stopped them from going? Serious question.

No, he said if they didn't want violence, they shouldn't go. If someone told you not to leave your house if you don't want to be shot, no one's stopping you from leaving. The threat still constitutes force (which, of course, you're free to ignore--maybe you're enough of a badass that guns wouldn't be a concern to you, but that wouldn't be relevant to the point).

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

see how easy it is to be a fascist these days? shit I recall times in history where actual fascism existed but now the simpler things in life are just fascist bro. We are all fascists, tight

List of bodyman's fascist Republican ideas.

Arrest the following people.

1. Big gauge earring wearers.
2. Tattoo eyebrow women (yuk)
3. Dog owners that leave their dogs chained in the backyard. (Arrest may be too good for these)
4. Harley Davidson riders (so loud, see South Park)
5. Left lane campers.

I can go on and on.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

No, he said if they didn't want violence, they shouldn't go. If someone told you not to leave your house if you don't want to be shot, no one's stopping you from leaving. The threat still constitutes force (which, of course, you're free to ignore--maybe you're enough of a badass that guns wouldn't be a concern to you, but that wouldn't be relevant to the point).

He didn't say that people shouldn't go because violence would be used against them. He said they shouldn't go if they were going to help create the violence. Goons throwing piss and rocks at people and spraying them with pepper spray are creating violence.

If I see people tagging my property and my wife tells me not to go out with a gun is she a fascist?

In my scenario I'm the honorable one not the vandals. Why should I just let them spray my garage door?

(By the way, don't have a gun and would go out and attack anyone spray painting my garage and would gladly go to jail for it)

 

[Orion Bailey]

Oh good! Perhaps you can explain what this means? Being a simple man, in terms I can understand you know.

Well, the best I can come up with is a mutual understanding of all races and heritages in America being equal.
Its not so much a monetary compensation, it's a universal mindset and understanding.
Until we have a 100% purge of racial bigotry and hatred, we wont have 100% equality.
But again, I believe it starts with you and I. My neighbor and I. My coworker and I. The cashier at the grocery store and I. The bank teller and I,Etc.
It starts with please and thank you and smiles and just genuinely treating individuals with respect and having a general love of life.
If you need a religion to bring you to that, great. Don't push that religion on others and more power to you.
I myself have just used my own observations and experiences to determine what I believe it right for me to maintain a happy mindset within such daily encounters with selfish rude people.

 

[Minstrel]

He didn't say that people shouldn't go because violence would be used against them. He said they shouldn't go if they were going to help create the violence.

You said that earlier, but that's not actually what he said. He said "the left wingers," not "people intent on being violent."

Even Denny isn't ridiculous enough to think everyone on the left is violent. If he actually did mean that, that the entire left is violent and they should stay home and not incite neo Nazis, then that's incredibly dumb and not fascist. But I don't think he is that dumb.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You said that earlier, but that's not actually what he said. He said "the left," not "people intent on being violent."

Even Denny isn't ridiculous enough to think everyone on the left is violent. If he actually did mean that, that the entire left is violent and they should stay home and not incite neo Nazis, then that's incredibly dumb and not fascist. But I don't think he is that dumb.

Semantics.

He meant anyone opposite the dumbass tiki torch khaki wearers that would promote violence. That's much harder to type than "the left"

The point is that letting these knuckle draggers have their pity party isn't going to hurt anyone by itself. Where does one honestly think they are going to create this white utopia? Atlantis? Some other hidden continent?

Hey Nazis...start buying land in Antarctica so when global warming kicks in all the way you'll have a place to be white by yourselves.

 

[Orion Bailey]

To implement a forceful detaining of a certain group, oppressing them from the ability to speak their mind, would be fascism.
to say, "if a certain group does not want violence, then they should stay home", is a suggestion that maybe a fascist way would solve the problem at hand.... and it might. But it isn't fair. It's a fascist point of view to solve the problem. Could and would Denny act upon that individually? I highly doubt it. But it certainly read to me like he would support such a bill if written up. Just sayin...

 

[Cippy91]

You said that earlier, but that's not actually what he said. He said "the left wingers," not "people intent on being violent."

Even Denny isn't ridiculous enough to think everyone on the left is violent. If he actually did mean that, that the entire left is violent and they should stay home and not incite neo Nazis, then that's incredibly dumb and not fascist. But I don't think he is that dumb.

well we have two shitty sides don't we? antifa and these neo nazis. I think everybody can agree both are shitty. I just happen to see waaaaay too many people throwing out the word fascist like it should be a common word. Fascism doesn't exist in this country. I am tired of that lie being spread. All these dummies with signs, there are people who have lived and still live in actual fascism. North Korea for example. Their internet is controlled, their history is controlled, they are led by a dictator who has people killed for the most simple things. They are starving. There are camps. Nothing remotely close is going on in America. I think if I were somebody who lived under a fascists dictatorship, I would be extremely offended by these Americans out there on the streets freely throwing out this word while taking over bridges for no real reason. Antifa are the actual fascists and that's the irony. If you have a different opinion than them, they incite violence. They think they are entitled to this shit. Neo Nazis are fascists based on their views and what they want. However it's not rampant at all in America and this idea that every trump supporter is a nazi and fascist is the most ridiculous thing I have seen.

 

[Minstrel]

The point is that letting these knuckle draggers have their pity party isn't going to hurt anyone by itself. Where does one honestly think they are going to create this white utopia? Atlantis? Some other hidden continent?

Well, the point is that they want to create it in America. Obviously, that ship (the Mayflower) has sailed but I disagree with the idea that if we ignore it, it goes away. Especially when they march through the city with torches, like some modern day Klan march. Letting them have their gathering is fine--they should have their right to free expression. But there should be opposition. And their shouldn't be a chilling effect, like, "If you show up, there'll be violence." (That goes in both directions and I agree with your earlier observation that when Antifa is violent or intimidating, they're ironically utilizing fascist tactics, as well.)

 

[Orion Bailey]

well we have two shitty sides don't we? antifa and these neo nazis. I think everybody can agree both are shitty. I just happen to see waaaaay too many people throwing out the word fascist like it should be a common word. Fascism doesn't exist in this country. I am tired of that lie being spread. All these dummies with signs, there are people who have lived and still live in actual fascism. North Korea for example. Their internet is controlled, their history is controlled, they are led by a dictator who has people killed for the most simple things. They are starving. There are camps. Nothing remotely close is going on in America. I think if I were somebody who lived under a fascists dictatorship, I would be extremely offended by these Americans out there on the streets freely throwing out this word while taking over bridges for no real reason. Antifa are the actual fascists and that's the irony. If you have a different opinion than them, they incite violence. They think they are entitled to this shit. Neo Nazis are fascists based on their views and what they want. However it's not rampant at all in America and this idea that every trump supporter is a nazi and fascist is the most ridiculous thing I have seen.

Well, the point is that they want to create it in America. Obviously, that ship (the Mayflower) has sailed but I disagree with the idea that if we ignore it, it goes away. Especially when they march through the city with torches, like some modern day Klan march. Letting them have their gathering is fine--they should have their right to free expression. But there should be opposition. And their shouldn't be a chilling effect, like, "If you show up, there'll be violence." (That goes in both directions and I agree with your earlier observation that when Antifa is violent or intimidating, they're ironically utilizing fascist tactics, as well.)

Pretty much saying the same thing. I think you guys are closer than you think on this. Within both sides there are extreme extremists who would prefer a more fascist lifestyle, limiting the freedoms of the many, so the few can leave in a controlled peace.
Their failure is they are unable to see that the moment you try to control peace, it no longer exists.

 

[Cippy91]

Issue is we live in a world where people would label me racist, homophobic, and fascist. Why? because I simply have a different opinion. Am I any of those things though? absolutely not. The far left made this okay. That's my issue with the far left more than the far right. You see, mostly everybody dislikes the far right neo nazi types. Pretty much nobody agrees with their behavior but everybody wants to act like this is such a common thing. It's not. Everybody denounces it. They are a minority. That problem is taken care of practically. However this idea that it's okay to be a fascist is widely becoming okay because people actually think it's fighting fascism. Celebrities endorse this behavior, most young people learn it in college. Learning lies about the way of the world. Then it's spread. Now you have young and hateful people growing up and probably don't know what the fuck they are doing till they turn 25 and their brain is fully developed or maybe not. People throwing out racists left and right, can't even have an actual conversation. It's a problem in America. A growing problem. The neo nazis aren't

 

[MarAzul]

Meaning I believe in steps and measure to continue he equal rights movement until it's truly equal.
I also believe in limited government.

Well, the best I can come up with is a mutual understanding of all races and heritages in America being equal.
Its not so much a monetary compensation, it's a universal mindset and understanding.
Until we have a 100% purge of racial bigotry and hatred, we wont have 100% equality.
But again, I believe it starts with you and I. My neighbor and I. My coworker and I. The cashier at the grocery store and I. The bank teller and I,Etc.
It starts with please and thank you and smiles and just genuinely treating individuals with respect and having a general love of life.
If you need a religion to bring you to that, great. Don't push that religion on others and more power to you.
I myself have just used my own observations and experiences to determine what I believe it right for me to maintain a happy mindset within such daily encounters with selfish rude people.

I suppose if you think these statements say the same thing, then I guess they do.

But to me, I thought you called for, step and measure to continue equal rights. Then in the next statement, it seems the golden rule will do. It should, but I doubt it will.
I don't think this removing art work issue has any application under the golden rule. I can only think of one reason it even comes up now. I don't even care about any of them really, but I am very suspicious of Democrats bringing up this issue now. Like I say, I don't care, but I think the Democrats do and I think they know who will care, just like I think they know who will resist those that do care.
Not much use of the Golden Rule in this game.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I suppose if you think these statements say the same thing, then I guess they do.

But to me, I thought you called for, step and measure to continue equal rights. Then in the next statement, it seems the golden rule will do. It should, but I doubt it will.
I don't think this removing art work issue has any application under the golden rule. I can only think of one reason it even comes up now. I don't even care about any of them really, but I am very suspicious of Democrats bringing up this issue now. Like I say, I don't care, but I think the Democrats do and I think they know who will care, just like I think they know who will resist those that do care.
Not much use of the Golden Rule in this game.

I am all for steps and measures, as long as they do not limit the freedoms of anyone else. I'm just not sure what else can be done. We have already provided ways to get ahead economically, with regards to educational help and career/employment help.
There is no amount of money I think anyone can come in agreement to , so a monetary reimbursement is not realistic.
Im not saying thre golden rule is gonna work, Im saying I think its the only thing that WILL work. But that requires faith in humanity.

 

[MarAzul]

Perhaps today is my first time to criticize my new President. Well not him so much as his team of advisors. I think the President has enough to do without contemplating strategy with the rabble rouser(s). So this is on the team.

The Trump team were out maneuvered again by the Democrats in the field of battle where the Democrats hold the ground, the Cities of America.
As soon as it was apparent that there was a movement now to remove all monuments of the Civil war era, the position of the administration should have been to push for expediting this
process to the point that it appeared to be an administration priority to be driven hard and forced on the states. I am sure the Democrats would resist as I am also sure they only push this issue as a way to bring the two extremest groups into close contact, if not battle for the explicit purpose of having disruptive events, obfuscating the agenda of the President.

It would be easy enough to back off and come to an agreement with them like a wise leader.

Yes I do believe there is evil in this world and we are having a look at some in action.

 

[barfo]

Issue is we live in a world where people would label me racist, homophobic, and fascist. Why? because I simply have a different opinion. Am I any of those things though? absolutely not. The far left made this okay. That's my issue with the far left more than the far right. You see, mostly everybody dislikes the far right neo nazi types. Pretty much nobody agrees with their behavior but everybody wants to act like this is such a common thing. It's not. Everybody denounces it. They are a minority. That problem is taken care of practically. However this idea that it's okay to be a fascist is widely becoming okay because people actually think it's fighting fascism. Celebrities endorse this behavior, most young people learn it in college. Learning lies about the way of the world. Then it's spread. Now you have young and hateful people growing up and probably don't know what the fuck they are doing till they turn 25 and their brain is fully developed or maybe not. People throwing out racists left and right, can't even have an actual conversation. It's a problem in America. A growing problem. The neo nazis aren't

So to summarize:

It's bad that other people call you a fascist.
It's ok for you to call other people fascists, because you are 25 and your brain is fully developed.
Nazis aren't a problem, but people using words in ways you don't like are a problem.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Perhaps today is my first time to criticize my new President. Well not him so much as his team of advisors. I think the President has enough to do without cotemplating strategy with the rabble rouser(s). So this is on the team.

The Trump team were out maneuvered again by the Democrats in the field of battle where the Democrats hold the ground, the Cities of America.
As soon as it was apparent that there was a movement now to remove all monuments of the Civil war era, the position of the administration should have been to push for expediting this
process to the point that it appeared to be an administration priority to be driven hard and forced on the states. I am sure the Democrats would resist as I am also sure they only push this issue as a way to bring the two extremest groups into close contact, if not battle for the explicit purpose of having disruptive events, obfuscating the agenda of the President.

Yes I do believe there is evil in this world and we are having a look at some in action.

So, to summarize, your complaint is that the Trump administration is not sufficiently dishonest.

Not something you hear very often.

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

So to summarize:

It's bad that other people call you a fascist.
It's ok for you to call other people fascists, because you are 25 and your brain is fully developed.
Nazis aren't a problem, but people using words in ways you don't like are a problem.

barfo

It's ok to call people who exhibit fascist behavior fascists. Even if they call themselves anti fascists.

The white supremacists should call themselves the Antiwa. Anti White Americans.

 

[MarAzul]

So, to summarize, your complaint is that the Trump administration is not sufficiently dishonest.

Not something you hear very often.

barfo

I think one should plan for the desired results and execute to achieve the same.

 

[Cippy91]

So to summarize:

It's bad that other people call you a fascist.
It's ok for you to call other people fascists, because you are 25 and your brain is fully developed.
Nazis aren't a problem, but people using words in ways you don't like are a problem.

barfo

has nothing to do with me being 25, it's factual information the brain isn't fully developed till 25, though sometimes later. Yeah it is bad that other people would call me fascist because I don't use that sort of behavior. I don't call many people fascists unlike your kind. Nazis really aren't that big of an issue considering everybody only made fun of them, however I see people still side with Antifa and that movement. For the most part across the board I see people denounce neo nazis

 

[Minstrel]

I think one should plan for the desired results and execute to achieve the same.

I hate to poke holes in your brilliant political strategy, but I don't think the federal government can force the removal of the statues and, even if they could, that would be a great way for the Trump administration to lose (to lack of enthusiasm and potentially not voting, not to the Demmycrats) parts of their base that are big on "white heritage" (or "Southern heritage").

 

[Minstrel]

unlike your kind.

Racist.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

These fucktards with their tiki torches and khakis want a race war. I don't.

I have no choice who I'd have to join. Robert E Lee could have picked. He just had to choose which uniform to wear.

Would I be allowed to wear black makeup?

People would want to shoot me on sight otherwise.

I'd be so screwed.

 

[Cippy91]

Racist.

dviss pulled that one on me before. Was funny

 

[Cippy91]

These fucktards with their tiki torches and khakis want a race war. I don't.

I have no choice who I'd have to join. Robert E Lee could have picked. He just had to choose which uniform to wear.

Would I be allowed to wear black makeup?

People would want to shoot me on sight otherwise.

I'd be so screwed.

robert downey jr did it in tropic thunder and I thought he did a real good fucking job. was hilarious. Do that today and it's the worst thing in the world and that movie came out 10 years ago. I also referenced a clip on here of movies like superbad and 40 year old virgin who used the word gay in a comedic way. Do that today and you lose everything. Once again these movies were only 10 years ago

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

robert downey jr did it in tropic thunder and I thought he did a real good fucking job. was hilarious. Do that today and it's the worst thing in the world and that movie came out 10 years ago. I also referenced a clip on here of movies like superbad and 40 year old virgin who used the word gay in a comedic way. Do that today and you lose everything. Once again these movies were only 10 years ago

Uhhh, he also said retard in a bad way. Seems like centuries ago. I watched the first few episodes of Mash and was astonished to see them call a black guy a spearchucker.

 

[MarAzul]

I don't think the federal government can force the removal of the statues

I know.

 

[Cippy91]

Uhhh, he also said retard in a bad way. Seems like centuries ago. I watched the first few episodes of Mash and was astonished to see them call a black guy a spearchucker.

Right, simple jack, that was funny as fuck. Look at comedies now though, I can't even recall the last good one that came out because everything is so PC. The last good comedies I remember were movies like superbad and tropic thunder, 40 year old virgin, etc.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Right, simple jack, that was funny as fuck. Look at comedies now though, I can't even recall the last good one that came out because everything is so PC. The last good comedies I remember were movies like superbad and tropic thunder, 40 year old virgin, etc.

I liked the universally panned Chips because it was raunchy.