Who could be our Derek Fisher?

[Minstrel]

Hedo would have been our glue guy.

I dunno about our glue guy...he'd be our Turkoglu guy.

 

[KingSpeed]

Steve Blake is our Derek Fisher but everyone hates him for some reason.

 

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G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
17 26:18 2.6 6.6 39.3 0.8 2.6 31.8 0.8 0.9 87.5 0.2 2.7 2.9 3.3 1.2 1.2 0.4 2.6 6.8
20 28:53 2.7 6.9 38.4 1.7 4.4 37.5 0.8 1.1 71.4 0.2 2.4 2.6 4.0 1.5 0.6 0.0 1.3 7.7

Can you guess which one is Blake or Fisher without looking it up?

Think we already have our Fisher in Blake. The question is can we incorporate Oden like the Lakers have Bynum into the offense? Can LA be as consistent offensively as Gasol while finding open teammates? Who is going to be our Odom or Artest? Are we going to find a role for our young players like Phil has found for his?

 

[Buzz Killington]

well, except Blake airballs 3's in the playoffs while Fisher makes them in the clutch.

 

[Shapecity]

Fisher is the locker room leader of the Lakers and is the one guy who can reign in on Kobe if need be. His defense isn't what it used to be, but he's willing to sacrifice his body by taking charges. He completely changed the Houston Rockets series last year by laying out Luis Scola to send a message to his teammates about playing more physical. He's still clutch in big games and Kobe trusts him to make those 3's when players cheat over to double.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Fisher is the locker room leader of the Lakers and is the one guy who can reign in on Kobe if need be.

EXACTLY! How hard is this to get, people? I'm not talking about his defense or whether or not he's a great PG. AS I'VE SAID REPEATEDLY. I'm talking about his ROLE IN THE LOCKER ROOM.

Another suggestion: Lindsey Hunter. Another guy whom everyone picks as a future coach.

Pluses: he actually CAN still play some D.
Minuses: not exactly a giant of the game. (Neither is Fisher, but he did have 3 rings when he came back to the Lakers.)

 

[RR7]

Steve Blake is not our Derek Fisher. Fisher bowling over Scola in the playoffs last season. Not saying it was the best move ever, but it's something Blake would never do. There's a difference between being a "vet" that people clamor for, and having experience in the league. Fisher is a vet. Blake just has yers of experience in the league.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Shane Battier would be PERFECT. He'd make us championship contenders THIS SEASON IMO.

I agree! Which is why the Rockets will never give him up.

But if they would, I'd give up a fair amount to get him...

Somebody hypnotize their GM and get him to trade us Kyle Lowry AND Shane Battier. I'd be prepared to give up Webster and Miller...

 

[Buzz Killington]

Rockets aren't going anywhere, they do need some help still...but mainly bigs and we don't have any available really. we'd prob. have to give up Pryz and then that just opens up another problem in the Backup C department.

 

[RR7]

My ideal off season this past offseason was signing McDyess and Hill. And then an older vet PG. I thought that would have given us a great mix of teachers for our young guys.

 

[alex42083]

In terms of a backup PG who is steady, I've always been a big fan of Kyle Lowry... I'd love to get him.

 

[Nikolokolus]

In terms of a backup PG who is steady, I've always been a big fan of Kyle Lowry... I'd love to get him.

He's a real nice on-ball defender, his jumper is a little dodgy at times and he tends to look to score on drives, but he's somebody I wouldn't mind seeing in a Blazers uniform.

 

[huevonkiller]

If only Phil Jacklueless would play the far more talented Jordan Farmar ahead of him! He's younger, more athletic, and can score a lot more! The Lakers need a real coach.



And this proves...?

Phil needs to give Shannon Brown much more time. Shannon is the defensive stopper who can hit threes. His dunking skills are ridiculous, he's got potential.

He started Luke Walton over Trevor Ariza last year, Jax is slow to make these kind of adjustments. I love him and everything but he's too loyal.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Phil needs to give Shannon Brown much more time. Shannon is the defensive stopper who can hit threes. His dunking skills are ridiculous, he's got potential.

Shannon Brown is this year's Smush Parker. Without Phil Jackson, he's nothing.

He started Luke Walton over Trevor Ariza last year, Jax is slow to make these kind of adjustments. I love him and everything but he's too loyal.

And yet he played Ariza when it counted, and Ariza developed under Jackson in a way he hadn't in other places (although Isiah Thomas, underrated judge of talent that he is, also saw something in Ariza). Walton is a better basketball player than Ariza, he's just a defensive liability. But I think Phil tends to care about the beauty of the triangle first, and Walton helps achieve that more.

But by all means, keep questioning the man who has ten rings.

 

[huevonkiller]

Shannon Brown is this year's Smush Parker. Without Phil Jackson, he's nothing.



And yet he played Ariza when it counted, and Ariza developed under Jackson in a way he hadn't in other places (although Isiah Thomas, underrated judge of talent that he is, also saw something in Ariza). Walton is a better basketball player than Ariza, he's just a defensive liability. But I think Phil tends to care about the beauty of the triangle first, and Walton helps achieve that more.

But by all means, keep questioning the man who has ten rings.

Walton is not even a better offensive player, he's slow footed, has a mediocre jumpshot and is not a great finisher around the rim. I liked him coming off the bench in the playoffs and back in 06-07 when he was able to create more for himself.

Fisher is showing his age this season, he's given up 18 PER at his position whereas Shannon is the best defender at the 1. Brown is freakishly athletic and more productive on both sides of the ball.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Walton is not even a better offensive player, he's slow footed, has a mediocre jumpshot and is not a great finisher around the rim.

All of that is true, but he's still better for the offense because of his amazing passing and his understanding of the triangle. Or at least he was. He seems to be breaking down even younger than his dad did.

Fisher is showing his age this season, he's given up 18 PER at his position whereas Shannon is the best defender at the 1. Brown is freakishly athletic and more productive on both sides of the ball.

You better hope Fisher can keep it together. Brown is still very unpolished. He's nice in the highlights but you'll need Fisher to win another title.

 

[Luther]

No he is not.

Yea he is...he's physical, contests shots well and is an absolute pest. Watch the Laker game tonight on TV and tell me Fisher isn't a good on ball defender.

 

[huevonkiller]

All of that is true, but he's still better for the offense because of his amazing passing and his understanding of the triangle. Or at least he was. He seems to be breaking down even younger than his dad did.

I liked him a couple of years ago but he's not the same. Ariza is the more complete player.

You better hope Fisher can keep it together. Brown is still very unpolished. He's nice in the highlights but you'll need Fisher to win another title.

Fisher was atrocious last year in the first three rounds of the playoffs. Sometimes Phil brings Sasha and Adam Morrison off the bench before Brown, that doesn't mean they should be ahead in the rotation.

Fisher is shooting 39.3% from the field, 31.8% from the three point line. He's extremely inefficient. Shannon Brown is way ahead of Fisher defensively as well.

Yea he is...he's physical, contests shots well and is an absolute pest. Watch the Laker game tonight on TV and tell me Fisher isn't a good on ball defender.

Fisher is a physical player but he is slow laterally. Shannon is far better, Fish has been Smush level on defense this season (18 PER given up).

 

[DaRizzle]

Fisher was awesome tonight...without his 3 there is no Kobe 3

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Fisher was atrocious last year in the first three rounds of the playoffs. Sometimes Phil brings Sasha and Adam Morrison off the bench before Brown, that doesn't mean they should be ahead in the rotation.

You're right. Clearly Phil is slipping. I think you need to petition to have him fired. Who needs that washed up old fart if he can't recognize brilliance when it's under his nose?

 

[huevonkiller]

You're right. Clearly Phil is slipping. I think you need to petition to have him fired. Who needs that washed up old fart if he can't recognize brilliance when it's under his nose?

He makes mistakes like any human.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[RR7]

I think Calderon's about the opposite of Fisher

 

[DaRizzle]

He makes mistakes like any human.

it isnt a mistake...Phils goal is never to win every single game in the reg season...it that was the case he would call more timeouts and tighten the rotation

he has purpose to his rotations

 

[huevonkiller]

it isnt a mistake...Phils goal is never to win every single game in the reg season...it that was the case he would call more timeouts and tighten the rotation

he has purpose to his rotations

Phil's purpose is what then? Luke was our starter most of 08-09. Jax is just slow to react sometimes.

It is ok he doesn't have to be perfect, I love him as a coach. Shannon needs more development if anything.

 

[Nikolokolus]

If his defense didn't make my eyes bleed I'd probably go for it.

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