Trade Idea Who would realistically be a suitor for Simons or Nurk?

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Let's say we don't package the #3 with Simons or Nurk.

Let's say the plan is to go into next season with Shaedon at the 2.

Which teams would make the most sense for Simons and/or Nurk? Either together or separately.

What positions would you be targeting if you shopped Ant?
 
Same position as we are looking at now. The best forward available.
Although if we draft Miller then we need more of a PF. Would we even want to sign Grant if we draft Miller? I don't think so unless we intend to trade him at the deadline.
 
Phoenix makes sense for Nurk - they want to move on from Ayton and break up his salary slot to a few players. Maybe the Blazers would explore Simons and Nurk for Ayton - although I tend to think the Blazers would be better targeting a wing with that max salary slot. Maybe it would be a 3 team trade where Nurk goes to Phoenix and Ayton to a third team.

Overall I just don't see value coming back to the Blazers for Nurk - they either will get a worse contract or have to give up picks. Ant likely has some value, but it's a bit hard to know the ideal fits with the draft and free agency up in the air. Toronto makes sense for Ant - maybe in an OG trade with something else going to the raptors. With them giving up a 1st round pick for Poetl I bet they resign him and don't look at Nurk/Ayton.

I thought your idea of Nurk for Draymond could make sense - Golden State might want to start cutting salary, and move on from the punch incident. Probably more likely the look to move Poole and his overpaid contract - but that could have difficulty finding takers. Ant and Nurk for Poole and Draymond? Also these two front offices have a lot of bad blood.

DeRozen for Nurk and pick(s).

Nurk to the Spurs - plus they get 2nd round picks to take on his overpaid contract but allows Wemba to not have to bang.
 
Teams that clearly lack ballhandling scoring guards:

Brooklyn
Toronto if FVV is not coming back
Spurs?

Nurk would be great as a backup Center for contenders, but otherwise, can't really think of who needs a slow center like him as their #1 option at the 5 spot.
 
Who were the Blazers bidding against last year when they signed Nurk and Simons?

I don't know any of us know, and I suspect many of us don't think there were (m)any teams... so I fear that the answer was, "Nobody" which means their contracts are larger than their value, which means that the Blazers will get negative value by moving them, which means the team should probably keep them.
 
Same position as we are looking at now. The best forward available.
Although if we draft Miller then we need more of a PF. Would we even want to sign Grant if we draft Miller? I don't think so unless we intend to trade him at the deadline.

Miller really strikes me as a power forward.
 
Trying to think of these scenarios is difficult - as you say a draft trade for a veteran will certainly have Nurk or Ant or both being shipped out.

So then your talking about scenarios where that trade bringing in a veteran does not happen. Well if it doesn't happen - isn't it possible Dame is traded away? That needs to be resolved before the direction of Nurk/Ant trades or resigning Grant. I guess in your hypothetical Dame is staying. So that would mean we keep the #3 pick - I guess Miller or Scoot is on the team then? Who we have drafted could determine trades as well - might be possible to keep Ant if its Miller - but thats unlikely if its Scoot.

Although if we haven't traded #3 for a veteran - its possible we have traded down for multiple picks but not included Nurk/Ant. I tend to think if Dame is traded we are more likely to keep Ant. Nurk would be more likely to keep his talent to win if we have Dame - without Dame we would be more likely to want to trade him for picks. But Nurk's contract has negative value - so we'd be more likely to eat that contract if rebuilding but prefer to trade for more productivity if we are winning with Dame.

Makes my head hurt just trying to think of the most likely scenarios this situation would apply where both Nurk and Ant are available in trades for the Blazers.

I'd say the Blazers priorities have to first be these;
1 Trading or keeping pick #3
2 If keeping pick 3 did the Blazers get Scoot or Miller?
3 Trading or keeping Dame
4 Resigning Grant
5 Trade or keep Ant
6 Trade or keep Nurk
7 Trade or keep Sharpe (last resort only for Embiid type trades)

Item 1 could impact what the Blazers do with Item 3. Item 3 could impact what the Blazers do with item 4. There become so many permutations of prior decisions that could happen with Ant or Nurk trades well after the draft that we really need to have these other items answered first before deciding what the Blazers would want back in Ant/Nurk trades.
 
Ant is a fantastic shooter, and can play anywhere scoring and potential elite shooting is needed. But i don't see him as a starting PG. It's his facilitating i don't buy. Too often he has blinders on to his open teammates. But as a 2 guard he could fit almost with any team. TOR, BKN, NYK , ORL, DAL, MIA , UTH , BOS, HOU, SAS all could use Ant . Many of those teams have assets the Blazers covet. Nurk i find fewer suitors for because he just doesn't bring enough motor consistently. And i think many teams would bench him for it. Dame feeds him the ball early in almost every game. In what i would consider point blank range, in stride , but it's been a crapshoot on him making his shots off passes. Too many times he flips the ball at the hoop carelessly, instead of going up strong through contact, and dunking. It's one reason i think he doesn't get call from the refs. He needs to battle through contact, and understand a tap on the wrist on a flip shot isn't respected whether it's a foul or not. I see many teams not wanting to take the chance. If he was Euros Nurk all the time, we wouldn't be talking about him in trades. I think Nurk would be an upgrade for about 50% of the teams . I put him in the 12 to 14 range of centers. I don't include guys like Siakam as a center ( he's a PF). But there are playoff teams that i feel would be better served by having Nurk because he does have skills. Like Anthony Davis , it's more about his health. Nurk was , again, playing pretty well, then he got that lower leg strain. Pain thresholds vary from player to player. But Nurk hasn't seemed like a guy who brushes a lot of little stuff off. Not talking his big injuries. Teams Nurk is an upgrade IMO are : DAL, LAC, CHA , NYK, LAL (Allowing AD to be a PF only) , MEM, BOS, SAS.
 
Miller really strikes me as a power forward.

I guess if we consider Grant a PF then sure. And I guess it also depends on who our center is. As long as we have 2 members of the front line who can defend the rim, rebound and play physically. But other than Nurk we are a bit "light" weight-wise.
 
Nurkic is trade filling to match a star contract along with Ant who has more value and picks.
 
Phoenix makes sense for Nurk - they want to move on from Ayton and break up his salary slot to a few players. Maybe the Blazers would explore Simons and Nurk for Ayton - although I tend to think the Blazers would be better targeting a wing with that max salary slot. Maybe it would be a 3 team trade where Nurk goes to Phoenix and Ayton to a third team.

Overall I just don't see value coming back to the Blazers for Nurk - they either will get a worse contract or have to give up picks. Ant likely has some value, but it's a bit hard to know the ideal fits with the draft and free agency up in the air. Toronto makes sense for Ant - maybe in an OG trade with something else going to the raptors. With them giving up a 1st round pick for Poetl I bet they resign him and don't look at Nurk/Ayton.

I thought your idea of Nurk for Draymond could make sense - Golden State might want to start cutting salary, and move on from the punch incident. Probably more likely the look to move Poole and his overpaid contract - but that could have difficulty finding takers. Ant and Nurk for Poole and Draymond? Also these two front offices have a lot of bad blood.

DeRozen for Nurk and pick(s).

Nurk to the Spurs - plus they get 2nd round picks to take on his overpaid contract but allows Wemba to not have to bang.
Like your post except Nurk for Drummond makes me want to puke.
 
Who were the Blazers bidding against last year when they signed Nurk and Simons?

I don't know any of us know, and I suspect many of us don't think there were (m)any teams... so I fear that the answer was, "Nobody" which means their contracts are larger than their value, which means that the Blazers will get negative value by moving them, which means the team should probably keep them.
I agree . I think the Blazers should have let them go out and find their best offer. Maybe they did, but i suspect they didn't. I do think Nurk did them a solid, and his contract was for shutting it down when he was playing some of his best ball. I don't think that was the case with Ant. That being said i think Ant's shooting will make him valuable to a trade partner.
 
I agree . I think the Blazers should have let them go out and find their best offer. Maybe they did, but i suspect they didn't. I do think Nurk did them a solid, and his contract was for shutting it down when he was playing some of his best ball. I don't think that was the case with Ant. That being said i think Ant's shooting will make him valuable to a trade partner.

the problem with Ant is he's not a PG but his size puts him in that position on most teams; and, he can't defend a chair. 25M a year it too much money for somebody who seems best suited, by far, to a 6th man role
 
Orlando seems like a natural partner for Ant. They need shooting, he's from the area and they have a glut of bigs.
Their guards are very inconsistent shooters. Maybe the reason their coach goes with the guard of the day rotation ( Fultz, Anthony, Suggs).
 
Like your post except Nurk for Drummond makes me want to puke.
I didn't say Drummond in that post lol?

In another thread I mentioned Drummond, but as a 15mpg veteran minimum big so Draymond wouldn't have to start at center.
 
I didn't say Drummond in that post lol?

In another thread I mentioned Drummond, but as a 15mpg veteran minimum big so Draymond wouldn't have to start at center.
My bad. I guess is saw Dr and got scared. I can't believe i thought you mentioned Drummond again. That's how much seeing his name damaged me the first time.
 
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Who were the Blazers bidding against last year when they signed Nurk and Simons?

I don't know any of us know, and I suspect many of us don't think there were (m)any teams... so I fear that the answer was, "Nobody" which means their contracts are larger than their value, which means that the Blazers will get negative value by moving them, which means the team should probably keep them.

Simons while I would've made him get an offer to match if I were GM, I might be able to accept the logic, as the thinking could be that an Indy type team was going to give a huge close to max deal to him as they did with Ayton, so the Blazers overpaid a few million to avoid the risk of that happening.

Nurk is the contract with no explanation. He is injury prone, much older, a position that is more and more irrelevant, and had zero teams that would make an offer. The Blazers shouldn't have gone much above the full MLE. Instead they locked him up for 70 million which was a move right out of Neil Olsheys worst possible moves playbook.

The Blazers are hurt today by the decision just as 2016 free agency hurt the Blazers for 4 years. Trading partners won't want to take on Nurks contract, so even if a star is finally available in a trade the Blazers will have to fork over additional assets than what they should have.

I suspect Dame may have pushed the Blazers to give Nurk that 70 million. So it's very hypocritical of him pushing for that, then putting pressure on the organization to bring in win now vets. If the Blazers hadn't overpaid Nurk, they would be in a better position to get Dame that veteran help he desires.
 
The question is what kind of value is fair from Orlando.

Is this fair?

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No.
Portland is not getting WCJ and #11 for Ant.

Also, they have enough cap space that it can be #11 for Ant. No additional players required.

If Portland leverages that cap space right, they could get a nice player back. Maybe something like John Collins for #23...
 
No.
Portland is not getting WCJ and #11 for Ant.

Also, they have enough cap space that it can be #11 for Ant. No additional players required.

If Portland leverages that cap space right, they could get a nice player back. Maybe something like John Collins for #23...
Nice that you mentioned John Collins. He might be able to be acquired for that late round pick. He's in bad need of a new home. It's just not working there chemistry wise. He could be one of those hidden gens this offseason.
 
Nice that you mentioned John Collins. He might be able to be acquired for that late round pick. He's in bad need of a new home. It's just not working there chemistry wise. He could be one of those hidden gens this offseason.
Atlanta is also projected to be ~$15M in the tax before FA even begins.
Rumor is that their owner is notoriously cheap, and will not want to pay the tax. If they can dump Collins money, they could be ~$10M below the tax and use the pick + MLE to round out their roster.

Something like this:

Orlando
#11 -> Ant

Atlanta
Collins -> #23

Portland
Ant + 23 -> Collins + 11


***Edit*** I'd actually try and swap #23 with Indiana for #26 & #32. #26 could go to Atlanta & I'd keep 32 for Portland's new G-League team.
 
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Realistically I could see deal for OG & some for Simons. OG has a decent contract and would fit nicely. Raps will probably need to get another scoring guard too.
 
Simons here - as a backup.

Let him have the green light. He’d thrive in a Manu type of role.

I doubt his ego would allow this though. But he’d be an elite 6th man.

If Jaylen Brown was starting at SG I think we could get Ant to buyin to a 6th man role being the third guard with him and Dame. But if Sharpe or Thybulle are starting then no, I don't think Ant would be ok as a backup.
 

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