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riverman said:
You realize how many conference finals games Sheed played in for Portland, Detroit and Boston in his career? Boogie hasn't made the playoffs yet and he's the man in Sac...what's so consistant about Boogie that Kevin Love didn't have in Minnesota..I don't buy the comparison at all mags
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Yes because Sheed was the only reason why we made it there. Gotcha
 
riverman said:
In Detroit there was no such thing as a first option, 2nd option or 3rd option..that's what made them so special.
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Wrong... First option was always RIP, then Billups then Sheed. What made them special was their defense and no superstars. They definitely had options and the majority of plays were given to Billups and RIP.
 
I'd trade it for 30 players to be named later. One of them has got to end up a star...right?
 
magnifier661 said:
Wrong... First option was always RIP, then Billups then Sheed. What made them special was their defense and no superstars. They definitely had options and the majority of plays were given to Billups and RIP.
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Wrong...the Pistons had more different leading scorers than any team in the league..they didn't play that way..the Spurs are similar in that way. On any given night, a different guy looked to score more. I love basketball teams that use this strategy. They were an elite TEAM on defense as well. Spurs...same thing. Some things don't require a pecking order.
 
and after all that I ended up arguing anyway..my bad..!
 
riverman said:
Wrong...the Pistons had more different leading scorers than any team in the league..they didn't play that way..the Spurs are similar in that way. On any given night, a different guy looked to score more. I love basketball teams that use this strategy. They were an elite TEAM on defense as well. Spurs...same thing. Some things don't require a pecking order.
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Prove it! I watched them as much as I watched the Blazers when they had Sheed and I remember Rip was always first option, Billups second and Sheed third. I'm looking at their box scores and you are wrong again.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2005_games.html

Rip and Chancy were the leading scorers in almost 80% of the games played. Sheed would lead, but as I already said earlier, it would be few and far between.
 
That's about the difference in the transfer fee Man City needs to get Paul Pogba from Juventus. I'd just use the money on that since that WOULD make a difference.
 
magnifier661 said:
Prove it! I watched them as much as I watched the Blazers when they had Sheed and I remember Rip was always first option, Billups second and Sheed third. I'm looking at their box scores and you are wrong again.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2005_games.html

Rip and Chancy were the leading scorers in almost 80% of the games played. Sheed would lead, but as I already said earlier, it would be few and far between.
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I looked at that encyclopedia but didn't see what you're saying..I did see they were 24th in offense and 2nd ranked defensively though. I watched that team a lot. Followed Sheed's whole career. They didn't care who scored and said so all through the season. That was their identity..elite defense, best shot offense. A team without any bona fide superstars. That was their team chant for the whole stretch of that era. I think they defied the Michael Jordan rule that every team had to pay a superstar to win a championship. A great model for the current Blazer roster
 
riverman said:
I looked at that encyclopedia but didn't see what you're saying..I did see they were 24th in offense and 2nd ranked defensively though. I watched that team a lot. Followed Sheed's whole career. They didn't care who scored and said so all through the season. That was their identity..elite defense, best shot offense. A team without any bona fide superstars. That was their team chant for the whole stretch of that era. I think they defied the Michael Jordan rule that every team had to pay a superstar to win a championship. A great model for the current Blazer roster
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Not having a superstar doesn't mean you don't have #1,2,3 options. It just means those options are superstar talent. But I will remind you once again. Rip got most the shots, Billups got 2 and Sheed got 3. If you look at totals, Sheed had more than Billups, but Billups missed over 15 games that season.

Your argument about Sheed being more talented than Boogie has been debunked.
 
And Basketball reference is the most credited stat site for basketball. I would even trust it more than encyclopedia
 
magnifier661 said:
Not having a superstar doesn't mean you don't have #1,2,3 options. It just means those options are superstar talent. But I will remind you once again. Rip got most the shots, Billups got 2 and Sheed got 3. If you look at totals, Sheed had more than Billups, but Billups missed over 15 games that season.

Your argument about Sheed being more talented than Boogie has been debunked.
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if it give you joy..ok, we don't actually have a Boogie career to compare and in the end you might be right, but for now...I just unbunked myself..it gives me joy
 
BonesJones said:
Those 2 would be awesome... that's my pipedream scenario, but the thing is we have the young talent to get him. McCollum, Vonleh, Plumlee, Aminu, and 2 future 1sts is a better package then they were asking the Lakers for, and probably the best package they could get at the deadline if they decide to move him then. You go into free agency next year with Dame+Cousins and $30M-$40M in cap, plus a lotto pick from this year?! It'd cement Olsheys status as a top GM. That one move would turn a rebuild into a team better than any in the Roy/Aldridge era. Horford, Joe Johnson, Luol Deng would all be options as great 3rd/4th guys. Hell with those 2 I wouldn't mind bringing Nic back.

Alright I'm gonna stop fapping to this idea now.
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Right, because you just gave away every decent bench and future prospectsave Meyers, making us no better than 2 years ago. Not a fan of this at all. Im a fan of going after him, but not at the expense of gutting the team.

magnifier661 said:
The duo of Dame and Boogie needs another scoring wing that can create their own shot.

Also, using Vonleh, Plumlee, Aminu and 2 future firsts is way too much!
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Exactly my man!
 
magnifier661 said:
The duo of Dame and Boogie needs another scoring wing that can create their own shot.

Also, using Vonleh, Plumlee, Aminu and 2 future firsts is way too much!
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Well you'd have tons of cap space to add one. And you think that Plumlee, Vonleh, Aminu and 2 picks is too much for the best center in the league in a favorable contract who hasn't hit his prime yet? Especially when the salary swap is almost even? Haha Cmon MAGS.
 
Kevin Durant...

He's about as realistic for that number as any of them. But really there isn't anyone available you're going to get. Let's just focus on not spending a lot of money and tanking and let Neil default his way through another draft. By playing it safe and by default, he really can't mess that up.
 
BonesJones said:
Well you'd have tons of cap space to add one. And you think that Plumlee, Vonleh, Aminu and 2 picks is too much for the best center in the league in a favorable contract who hasn't hit his prime yet? Especially when the salary swap is almost even? Haha Cmon MAGS.
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Absolutely yes! You said "first rounders", so we better be damn good or they make out like champs. And secondly, if Boogie is available, that means he burnt the bridge so badly in Sacramento that a team doesn't want the best center in the league. It wouldn't be him forcing them to trade. It would be them wanting to get rid of their headache.

So looking at historically with trades of players that worn out their welcome, the team trading them usually gets the shaft.

And what if we get him and it doesn't work out? Our trade value for him would be absolutely shit. It is a high risk high reward move. Last thing you want to send them is the best prospects we got.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Right, because you just gave away every decent bench and future prospectsave Meyers, making us no better than 2 years ago. Not a fan of this at all. Im a fan of going after him, but not at the expense of gutting the team.
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you realize we'd have $35-$40M in cap space and Lillard/Cousins would be the most attractive duo to join for a MAX free agent next summer. And if we don't get a max free agent theres enough to fall back on to make us contenders.
 
magnifier661 said:
Absolutely yes! You said "first rounders", so we better be damn good or they make out like champs. And secondly, if Boogie is available, that means he burnt the bridge so badly in Sacramento that a team doesn't want the best center in the league. It wouldn't be him forcing them to trade. It would be them wanting to get rid of their headache.

So looking at historically with trades of players that worn out their welcome, the team trading them usually gets the shaft.

And what if we get him and it doesn't work out? Our trade value for him would be absolutely shit. It is a high risk high reward move. Last thing you want to send them is the best prospects we got.
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If we get him those first rounders will be late. I'm just saying Id give up a lot to get him... because then b him and Lillard would have 5-6 prime years that you could build around.

I think the bullshit around him might get him traded. I wouldn't blame him for clashing with Rondo (Rondo clashes with everyone) and Rudy Gay is a somewhat selfish player. That and Karl trying to throw him under the bus, I couldn't blame him if he asked to be traded anywhere. Hell they were already taking offers.

Tell me what you'd trade for Cousins that you think they'd actually take.
 
BonesJones said:
If we get him those first rounders will be late. I'm just saying Id give up a lot to get him... because then b him and Lillard would have 5-6 prime years that you could build around.

I think the bullshit around him might get him traded. I wouldn't blame him for clashing with Rondo (Rondo clashes with everyone) and Rudy Gay is a somewhat selfish player. That and Karl trying to throw him under the bus, I couldn't blame him if he asked to be traded anywhere. Hell they were already taking offers.

Tell me what you'd trade for Cousins that you think they'd actually take.
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CJ, Leonard and cap space
 
andalusian said:
Boogie seems like someone that really likes teammates that are not selfish. He and Dame would likely get on like a house on fire. I am going to guess that if Boogie was brought in to be the #1a or #1b option with Dame - it would be an amazing in-out option.
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And to think Sac had a chance to get Lillard

Thank god they didn't
 
magnifier661 said:
CJ, Leonard and cap space
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$9M in cap space wouldn't be valuable to them, especially when Leonard will be making double digits next year. Gonna take a lot more than that.
 
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I would go with DMC. I don't think we can get any of the nice-guys-superstars in the league right now...maybe we can handle one guy with attitude on our team and boogie is a top 10 player, even better than LaMarsha.

Check out this video i ripped from boogie's loss to Portland this year, he clearly wants to be a Trail Blazer.

 
BonesJones said:
$9M in cap space wouldn't be valuable to them, especially when Leonard will be making double digits next year. Gonna take a lot more than that.
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Well, I guess we can agree to disagree then. I think if Boogie is available, his value will drop. I look at it like other teams that had to trade their franchise player away. They usually get hosed on returned talent.
 
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