Why did the Blazers draft Meyers Leonard 11th????

[ODENISGOD]

Wow you guys are really mad over me saying I think our 2nd draft pick sucked. Oh well, be mad call me a troll blah blah blah. Maybe I will be right maybe I wont. I just don't understand the hate. I think it was a really bad pick, I hope i'm wrong. And you can all pile on if I am. But dam chill out! Bill Simmons was right. It's like SOCCER MOMS with you guys now.

 

[julius]

Offer up something of substance then. WHY was he a bad pick? Why is he a stiff?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Wow you guys are really mad over me saying I think our 2nd draft pick sucked. Oh well, be mad call me a troll blah blah blah. Maybe I will be right maybe I wont. I just don't understand the hate. I think it was a really bad pick, I hope i'm wrong. And you can all pile on if I am. But dam chill out! Bill Simmons was right. It's like SOCCER MOMS with you guys now.

Sorry, you don't get to play the victim on this (another popular troll tactic - stir up shit and then complain when others correctly point out you smell like shit).

Opinions are fine. Everyone is entitled to one. However, opinions without justification are useless and provide no basis for an intelligent discussion.

You have stated a very strong negative opinion, but have provided NOTHING to back-up that opinion. You have been asked several direct questions about why you think Leonard is a stiff, a bust and an NBDL level talent, but have failed to provide a single piece of data, or even a reason, to back up those negative opinions.

Leonard has a very rare combination of great size and athleticism, fills a need, and put up good college stats (not quite as good as you're favorite once a generation center, but still certainly worthy of a number 11 pick).

So, time to put up or shut up. Provide some basis for your negative opinions, or accept the well earned troll monicker.

BNM

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i think leonard sucks BALLZ!!! he is too tall and his torso is unnaturally defined

and whats the deal with his skin? his skin is unathletic

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm fine with Leonard being picked at 11th. It's a gamble but a good one.

I do think that Freeland will have a better rookie season. More minutes, points and rebounds but Leonard will have more blocks and fouls.

 

[Rhal]

Sorry, you don't get to play the victim on this (another popular troll tactic - stir up shit and then complain when others correctly point out you smell like shit).

Opinions are fine. Everyone is entitled to one. However, opinions without justification are useless and provide no basis for an intelligent discussion.

You have stated a very strong negative opinion, but have provided NOTHING to back-up that opinion. You have been asked several direct questions about why you think Leonard is a stiff, a bust and an NBDL level talent, but have failed to provide a single piece of data, or even a reason, to back up those negative opinions.

Leonard has a very rare combination of great size and athleticism, fills a need, and put up good college stats (not quite as good as you're favorite once a generation center, but still certainly worthy of a number 11 pick).

So, time to put up or shut up. Provide some basis for your negative opinions, or accept the well earned troll monicker.

BNM

Love the post but let's stop comparing Leonard to Oden. Similiar college stats but that's were the comparison ends. Oden forced teams to play differently vs him and was a unmovable monster on both sides of the glass.
I get why your comparing them but it's like comparing Mike bibby to cp3, just makes me cringe.

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[Sinobas]

Well gee, I guess some of the scouts who get paid to evaluate talent, watched hours of film on him, watched him in workouts and thought he had a chance to be a pretty good player. I'm sorry they didn't consult with you first.

But Meyers has good legit size, length, and very good athletisism. He's also got a shooting touch. He looked a heck of a lot more polished than Drummond in summer league, and he's young.

 

[dviss1]

Love the post but let's stop comparing Leonard to Oden. Similiar college stats but that's were the comparison ends. Oden forced teams to play differently vs him and was a unmovable monster on both sides of the glass.
I get why your comparing them but it's like comparing Mike bibby to cp3, just makes me cringe.

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If you don't think Meyers is going to be constantly compared to Oden, you are fooling yourself.

 

[ODENISGOD]

If you don't think Meyers is going to be constantly compared to Oden, you are fooling yourself.

Compared to Oden? Are you fucking kidding me? Yes Oden was a injury nightmare over and over but, If he could of stayed healthy he was a can't miss franchise changer. Comparing Leonard to Oden is a joke! There's no expectations for him to be anything near what Greg could of and still will be.

 

[dviss1]

Compared to Oden? Are you fucking kidding me? Yes Oden was a injury nightmare over and over but, If he could of stayed healthy he was a can't miss franchise changer. Comparing Leonard to Oden is a joke! There's no expectations for him to be anything near what Greg could of and still will be.

Use your brain. Did I say anything about expectations? Nope. He's a big man in Portland. Even if you say:

"I hope he isn't injured as much as Oden", YOU ARE COMPARING HIM TO ODEN.

Oh and your avatar SUcks. It's the reason we have Babbit...

 

[Rhal]

If you don't think Meyers is going to be constantly compared to Oden, you are fooling yourself.

I get its going to happen but what I'm against us looking at college numbers are saying they are close talent wise because of it. The two aren't close talent wise coming out of college but I fully expect Leonard to have a better nba career.

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[Boob-No-More]

Love the post but let's stop comparing Leonard to Oden. Similiar college stats but that's were the comparison ends.

The only reason I mentioned Oden was the OP's previous thread was titled: "Oden set to come back and dominate the NBA!!!!!!!!!!!!" And, that wasn't from 5 years ago. it was from a week and a half ago.

So, either the OP believes in including one "!" for every knee surgery Oden has had, or he's a troll.

And yes, Leonard is a center drafted by the Blazers, so he will be compared (in some way or another) to Oden, Walton, Sabonis, Bowie, etc. Given how little Oden actually played (limited by injuries, and limited by foul trouble when healthy), I hope Leonard ends up having a much better, much longer NBA career than Greg Oden.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

I get its going to happen but what I'm against us looking at college numbers are saying they are close talent wise because of it.

Their college numbers weren't that far apart, but I'm not claiming Meyers Leonard has the same potential Greg Oden once had. Just asking the OP why he considered (and STILL) considers Greg Oden a once a generation center and Meyers Leonard a big white stiff with bust written all over him. There is a WHOLE lot of middle ground between future HOFer and future NBDLer. Yet those are the ridiculously extreme positions posted by the troll, errr... OP. I'm just asking him to provide some basis (other than blatant trolling) for the huge discrepancy in his two very extreme "opinions".

BNM

 

[julius]

technically, Oden has been a once in a generation center. What other center of this generation has been drafted # 1 and after 5 years played the equivalent of 1 whole season?

damn, thats depressing.

I'm willing to bet that Leonard has a more productive NBA career than Oden does (or more accurately, did).

 

[dviss1]

technically, Oden has been a once in a generation center. What other center of this generation has been drafted # 1 and after 5 years played the equivalent of 1 whole season?

damn, thats depressing.

I'm willing to bet that Leonard has a more productive NBA career than Oden does (or more accurately, did).

Rep'd.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Julius, you're not giving up on Oden's career already, are you? I'm told he's set to come back and dominate the NBA!

 

[julius]

Julius, you're not giving up on Oden's career already, are you? I'm told he's set to come back and dominate the NBA!

(yes I know you're kidding but..)
3 microfractures, a broken patella, a leg that is shorter than the other AND the fact he's already had issues with alcoholism and he's not even 30?

he's done.

 

[KingSpeed]

technically, Oden has been a once in a generation center. What other center of this generation has been drafted # 1 and after 5 years played the equivalent of 1 whole season?

damn, thats depressing.

AND he's not even on an NBA roster. 5 years out of college and he doesn even have a contract. THAT's depressing.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Meyers goes to church every Sunday.

Greg tossed his blind beagle off a high-rise balcony in L.A.

/thread

 

[ODENISGOD]

Meyers goes to church every Sunday.

Greg tossed his blind beagle off a high-rise balcony in L.A.

/thread

Who gives a fuck about going to church. Not even going to go there though. Yeah greg tossed his beagle off a balcony, I hate people like you. That's not even funny.

 

[ODENISGOD]

(yes I know you're kidding but..)
3 microfractures, a broken patella, a leg that is shorter than the other AND the fact he's already had issues with alcoholism and he's not even 30?

he's done.

Maybe. I doubt it.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Who gives a fuck about going to church. Not even going to go there though. Yeah greg tossed his beagle off a balcony, I hate people like you. That's not even funny.

It's not funny.

Codes are very strict and there is no way a dog, even that small, could wiggle his way off a balcony.

Fuck Greg and his carelessness.

 

[ODENISGOD]

It's not funny.

Codes are very strict and there is no way a dog, even that small, could wiggle his way off a balcony.

Fuck Greg and his carelessness.

You're sick dude. Can't believe you think Greg would do that. Fuck you.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I'm not buying his story.

My opinion.

Maybe his blind beagle could hop like a cat and that's how he fell off? Yeah, that's it.

IIRC gaps can't be more than 4-6" apart.

Again, fuck Greg and his carelessness.

 

[Rhal]

I'm not buying his story.

My opinion.

Maybe his blind beagle could hop like a cat and that's how he fell off? Yeah, that's it.

IIRC gaps can't be more than 4-6" apart.

Again, fuck Greg and his carelessness.

Are beagles about as big as a cairn terrier? If so I could believe his story, my parents Cairn Terrier can squeeze through 4 inch cracks. Regardless, it sucks that a bit of short sightedness caused the death of his dog however it happened.

 

[dviss1]

Are beagles about as big as a cairn terrier? If so I could believe his story, my parents Cairn Terrier can squeeze through 4 inch cracks. Regardless, it sucks that a bit of short sightedness caused the death of his dog however it happened.

Depending on which breed of beagle (yes there are 2 sizes and don't ask me why I know this) it most certainly could have happened.

Beagles are hounds and once they get a scent, they follow it and can get lost EASILY.

http://www.24petwatch.com/petinsurance/beagle.asp

 

[MickZagger]

I liked Meyers Leonard well before the draft. In fact, a couple months before the draft I stated on here that Lillard and Leonard were the guys I wanted.

I think Leonard can be a Tyson Chandler type player with more of an ability to run the floor and a better shooting touch. 5 years from now he'll be one of the best white Centers in the recent past.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I'm a troll cause I don't agree with our 11th pick. Ok then.

It's not what you say, Sparky, it's how you say it, and why you say it.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This is kind of a tough one for me. Back end of the lottery centers have not had really any success to speak of. I like Leonard though. He is easy to root for ans kind of goofy. In all honesty, I think it depends on what you view as the best strategy for lottery picks. If you think you should draft for position in the late lottery then it was a good pick. If you think you should draft someone who can be a solid rotation player then it was a good pick. If you think you should swing for the fences and try to strike gold, it wasn't a good pick. EVERYONE knows my views on American born white centers, but I really hope Leonard proves me wrong in a couple of years

 

[Boob-No-More]

Back end of the lottery centers have not had really any success to speak of.

Actually, centers taken after the 3rd or 4th pick are a big gamble, regardless of skin color. In fact, if you go back and look at the last 15 or 20 NBA drafts, you will see plenty of serviceable centers, not stars, but solid starters with long careers (guys like Dale Davis and Kurt Thomas come to mind, there are many others), taken in the 10 - 14 range. You also see an occasional diamond in the rough (Andrew Bynum) taken in this range.

If you look at those same drafts, you will see a LOT more centers that were total busts taken in the 5 - 9 range (Rafael Araujo and Patrick O'Bryant come to mind) than 10 - 14. There are even plenty of busts, of all skin colors and countries of origin, taken top 3 (Kwame, Olowokandi, Darko, Oden, etc.). Why? Because you can't teach height, center is the hardest position to fill, and teams will always be desperate enough to take a chance on a 7-footer with potential. Hell, it's hard enough to get an average starting center, let alone a game changer.

As long as the expectations for Leonard aren't ridiculous, I think he'll do just fine and justify his draft position, both compared to others taken in this range in past drafts and the players taken after him in this draft. Does that mean he'll be better than everyone taken after him? Most likely not. Most drafts have at least one Michael Redd or Monta Ellis that makes all the GMs that passed on them look foolish. But that's what the draft is, a big gamble. You do your homework, pick the guys you think will pan out and hope for the best.

EVERYONE knows my views on American born white centers, but I really hope Leonard proves me wrong in a couple of years

Who was the last American born white center that possessed Leonard's combination of size an athleticism? Rather than skin color and birth country, wouldn't it be better to compare Leonard to other players of similar physical characteristics, skill level and experience? Also, by all accounts (so far), Leonard is a hard worker and seems to be coachable. Hopefully, that will allow him to take maximum advantage of his rare combination of size and athleticism.

BNM