Win me back (2 Viewers)

[blazerkor]

He’s moving the team, so all this debating back and forth is really for not

That's a terrible outlook and all of the sourced reporting that I've read says that the county and city will follow the state in passing the funding and that will lock the team into a 20 year lease that they won't be able to get out of.

Four city council members have said their voting it through as is, another has publicly said he's on the fence, only two have said they're against it and that leaves five that haven't indicated one way or another. Reporting from weeks ago, before the state voted said they had off the record but sourced reporting stating that the city council had more than enough votes to get it through. That was what the Oregon Business Insider was reporting at least.

 

[sheed30]

1. Why should we believe that?
2. Do we?

You actuallly taking time replying to the guy? lol no one replies to him anymore I noticed, dude is almost a worse troll than that Aldo guy.

Best to just ignore the trolls its good for health.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That's a terrible outlook and all of the sourced reporting that I've read says that the county and city will follow the state in passing the funding and that will lock the team into a 20 year lease that they won't be able to get out of.

Four city council members have said their voting it through as is, another has publicly said he's on the fence, only two have said they're against it and that leaves five that haven't indicated one way or another. Reporting from weeks ago, before the state voted said they had off the record but sourced reporting stating that the city council had more than enough votes to get it through. That was what the Oregon Business Insider was reporting at least.

And what source has DumDum singing anything?

 

[blazerkor]

And what source has DumDum singing anything?

That's what Dundon and the Oregon Business Insider and a bunch of other reports have said the funding is contingent on. So it will be in the agreement to pass the funding and start the renovations that the Blazers are locked in for 20 years.

Dundon said that during his press conference and all of the reporting has said it too. It won't just be a verbal commitment or a lease that's easy for a billionaire to get out of. It's going to lock the team in. That's the way it's been reported and that's what Dundon said when asked what skin he had in the renovation, he said a 20 year commitment.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That's what Dundon and the Oregon Business Insider and a bunch of other reports have said the funding is contingent on. So it will be in the agreement to pass the funding and start the renovations that the Blazers are locked in for 20 years.

Dundon said that during his press conference and all of the reporting has said it too. It won't just be a verbal commitment or a lease that's easy for a billionaire to get out of. It's going to lock the team in. That's the way it's been reported and that's what Dundon said when asked what skin he had in the renovation, he said a 20 year commitment.

Can’t he simply say “thanks for the 600 million, but I’ve decided I want a new arena instead”

 

[blazerkor]

Can’t he simply say “thanks for the 600 million, but I’ve decided I want a new arena instead”

Supposedly the lease will be baked into the funding and you can make agreements like that ironclad.

Right now all of the reporting is old because Dundon and his people made any lawmaker that wanted to be in on the negotiations with the team sign an NDA. So yeah until the whole thing gets passed he could just say he wants to move the team but the other owners in the league would have to approve any move.

When Adam Silver came to town, after he met with the lawmakers working on this thing, he said he was happy with the progress and it looked like we were on our way to guaranteeing the Blazers stay in Portland for at least two more decades.

So everyone who talks or reports about this stuff says 20 years, over and over again. I don't think all of these lawmakers and Dundon talk about the 20 year thing just to pass everything and still give the team an easy out. Maybe that sounds optimistic but the other side of it is idiotic. Getting no guarantee from the team would be catastrophic.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Supposedly the lease will be baked into the funding and you can make agreements like that ironclad.

No, the lease will never be ironclad. He will always have better legal talent than the city will and will not sign a lease that isn't favorable to him.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Supposedly the lease will be baked into the funding and you can make agreements like that ironclad.

Right now all of the reporting is old because Dundon and his people made any lawmaker that wanted to be in on the negotiations with the team sign an NDA. So yeah until the whole thing gets passed he could just say he wants to move the team but the other owners in the league would have to approve any move.

When Adam Silver came to town, after he met with the lawmakers working on this thing, he said he was happy with the progress and it looked like we were on our way to guaranteeing the Blazers stay in Portland for at least two more decades.

So everyone who talks or reports about this stuff says 20 years, over and over again. I don't think all of these lawmakers and Dundon talk about the 20 year thing just to pass everything and still give the team an easy out. Maybe that sounds optimistic but the other side of it is idiotic. Getting no guarantee from the team would be catastrophic.

If this isn’t some Rose garden colored glasses shit

 

[blazerkor]

No, the lease will never be ironclad. He will always have better legal talent than the city will and will not sign a lease that isn't favorable to him.

I guess if you say so. The good news is it won't just be the city looking at this agreement and lawyers who work in state AG offices are some of the best out there... even at contract law.

I personally think it would preposterous if any of the government entities who are forking over all of this funding to rebuild the Rose Garden allowed for any outs in the 20 year agreement to keep the team here, let alone all three levels of government working on this but governments do stupid shit all of the time, so maybe you're right and they'll leave it up to the honor system, with a billionaire.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I guess if you say so. The good news is it won't just be the city looking at this agreement and lawyers who work in state AG offices are some of the best out there... even at contract law.

I personally think it would preposterous if any of the government entities who are forking over all of this funding to rebuild the Rose Garden allowed for any outs in the 20 year agreement to keep the team here, let alone all three levels of government working on this but governments do stupid shit all of the time, so maybe you're right and they'll leave it up to the honor system, with a billionaire.

Stupid shit like securing 600 million in taxpayer money without a deal in place that guarantees the owner signing a lease? You mean that kind of stupid shit?

 

[blazerkor]

If this isn’t some Rose garden colored glasses shit

I'm not even editorializing. It's just what I've read.

What makes me laugh is I get told that I'm a pollyanna when I say the reporting says the funding will get put through because some people want to believe that the governments won't pass it.

Then I basically get called naive when I say that the reporting says the governments who will reportedly pass this stuff will need a 20 year guarantee... and Dundon echoes the 20 year commitment thing when asked if he has skin in the game. Not like a 20 year suggenstion or handshake agreement, he's talking about a huge financial commitment and I guess I have rose colored glasses because I read and listen to the words people are putting out there.

 

[blazerkor]

Stupid shit like securing 600 million in taxpayer money without a deal in place that guarantees the owner signing a lease? You mean that kind of stupid shit?

They haven't passed it yet because what the state passed is contingent upon the other two levels of government passing their portion and those two levels and the state are in negotiations with the team right now.

Also due to the NDAs they had to sign, everyone but the two city council members who refused to sign the NDA are radio silent which causes a huge information vacuum that assholes like Clownzano and Bill Orem and Jason Quick are filling with wild negative speculations because that shit gets clicks. The same information vacuum has some fans assuming the worst instead of relying on the most recent sourced reporting.

 

[PCmor7]

I'm sorry, but we can't afford you. Cost cutting and all. You understand.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I guess if you say so. The good news is it won't just be the city looking at this agreement and lawyers who work in state AG offices are some of the best out there... even at contract law.

I personally think it would preposterous if any of the government entities who are forking over all of this funding to rebuild the Rose Garden allowed for any outs in the 20 year agreement to keep the team here, let alone all three levels of government working on this but governments do stupid shit all of the time, so maybe you're right and they'll leave it up to the honor system, with a billionaire.

I just hate that this is just so vague. I want to see plans. I want to know who is going to come up with the plans, the state? the city? the Blazers? Considering that it's been 30 years and the city is still debating what to do with the MC worries me.

We're coming up with $600 million of funding, but what if the Blazers come up with this amazing improvement plan that is $800 million? Are the Blazers kicking in the extra $200 mill?



I'm not seeing these types of discussions happening here in Portland. I would love to see Dundon announce, if you spend $600 million on the Moda, I'll spend the same on developing the area around it.

That would make me feel more secure about things than a lease would. He has major skin the game with the Hurricanes and is growing more of it. I don't think he'll ever be interested in moving the 'Canes because he's making money off them literally coming and going. During the season and the offseason.

 

[kjironman1]

I am tonight! I am booked to work Game 6 in Houston on Friday…….
If the LOSE, I’m heading on a 12:15am red eye there TONIGHT!……
If the WIN, I get paid to stay at home and chill with the wife, dogs and you mouth breathers #GoLakeShow

Best be sporting that Blazer tat when you are working down there.

 

[blazerkor]

I just hate that this is just so vague. I want to see plans. I want to know who is going to come up with the plans, the state? the city? the Blazers? Considering that it's been 30 years and the city is still debating what to do with the MC worries me.

We're coming up with $600 million of funding, but what if the Blazers come up with this amazing improvement plan that is $800 million? Are the Blazers kicking in the extra $200 mill?

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I'm not seeing these types of discussions happening here in Portland. I would love to see Dundon announce, if you spend $600 million on the Moda, I'll spend the same on developing the area around it.

That would make me feel more secure about things than a lease would. He has major skin the game with the Hurricanes and is growing more of it. I don't think he'll ever be interested in moving the 'Canes because he's making money off them literally coming and going. During the season and the offseason.

I'm hoping that's part of what's being negotiated but that hasn't been reported on yet so that's all it is, hope.

 

[wizenheimer]

Also due to the NDAs they had to sign, everyone but the two city council members who refused to sign the NDA are radio silent which causes a huge information vacuum that assholes like Clownzano and Bill Orem and Jason Quick are filling with wild negative speculations because that shit gets clicks. The same information vacuum has some fans assuming the worst instead of relying on the most recent sourced reporting.

to start with, the article I read said those NDA's were for other things and some people were trying to extend them to these negotiations and there was a legal question if they were actually enforceable

for another thing: for chrissakes we're talking about public money funding a renovation of a publicly owned building. Why the fuck are NDA's even part of this? Why do the negotiations have to be hidden and secret?

this funding scheme seems really sketchy

 

[blazerkor]

to start with, the article I read said those NDA's were for other things and some people were trying to extend them to these negotiations and there was a legal question if they were actually enforceable

for another thing: for chrissakes we're talking about public money funding a renovation of a publicly owned building. Why the fuck are NDA's even part of this? Why do the negotiations have to be hidden and secret?

this funding scheme seems really sketchy

Yeah I think that's sketchy too. I did read that NDA's between the government and contractors during negotiations is pretty standard but this isn't that. This is our government negotiating with what should be a tenant in a government owned building. So yeah, I agree this stuff should be out in the open.

Also I get what you're saying about the NDA's possibly not causing the information vacuum but then I look at who is talking to the media about this while the negotiations are supposed to be active and it seems like it's only the people that are on record as refusing to sign the NDA.

 

[THE HCP]

I am tonight! I am booked to work Game 6 in Houston on Friday…….
If the LOSE, I’m heading on a 12:15am red eye there TONIGHT!……
If the WIN, I get paid to stay at home and chill with the wife, dogs and you mouth breathers #GoLakeShow

Lakers fucked me! Packed and just sat in my seat! Gonna be a long 72 hours FAMS!

 

[THE HCP]

Best be sporting that Blazer tat when you are working down there.

Always reppin the pinwheel!

 

[Strenuus]

I am tonight! I am booked to work Game 6 in Houston on Friday…….
If the LOSE, I’m heading on a 12:15am red eye there TONIGHT!……
If the WIN, I get paid to stay at home and chill with the wife, dogs and you mouth breathers #GoLakeShow

Hows the flight

 

[kjironman1]

to start with, the article I read said those NDA's were for other things and some people were trying to extend them to these negotiations and there was a legal question if they were actually enforceable

for another thing: for chrissakes we're talking about public money funding a renovation of a publicly owned building. Why the fuck are NDA's even part of this? Why do the negotiations have to be hidden and secret?

this funding scheme seems really sketchy

Not a chance I enter into any contract agreement with public money involved without an NDA.
That would be absolutely ridiculous. Good luck finding any private contractor on the face of the earth that will.

 

[kjironman1]

Lakers fucked me! Packed and just sat in my seat! Gonna be a long 72 hours FAMS!View attachment 84454

Wait? Shouldn't you be first class?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Wait? Shouldn't you be first class?

Haven't you learned by now that there is nothing first class about HCP!

and this makes me extra glad the Laker lost.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Why should anyone here give the slightest of fucks whether they win someone so ridiculous back?

STOMP

First of all, I wasn't asking anyone HERE to win me back (and you certainly wouldn't with that attitude, mister). But second, I guess we have different views about to what degree genocide can be siloed.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'm sorry, but we can't afford you. Cost cutting and all. You understand.

"We"?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Or I could really work on falling in love with another team. That would be a surer route to mental health

Were you really ever a true Blazers fan? I never really got that vibe from you.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Were you really ever a true Blazers fan? I never really got that vibe from you.

This sounds like a "my country, right or wrong" kind of deal. What's the necessary requirement to make the grade in your eyes? I've certainly wasted enough mental and emotional energy on this cursed franchise over the decades. If only I'd known earlier!

Or maybe, just maybe, you suck at vibe-detection.

 

[wizenheimer]

Not a chance I enter into any contract agreement with public money involved without an NDA.
That would be absolutely ridiculous. Good luck finding any private contractor on the face of the earth that will.

that's nonsense

I've actually bid on contracts with the state, city, and county. Bids were generally sealed but the terms and specifications offered by the government departments were fully disclosed public information. This is Oregon, Portland, and the Blazers....not the Pentagon, Lockheed, and the trumps

all we know is that the state is supposedly willing to fund a 360M bond sale. The city is supposed to come up with 150-170M; the county around 90M. All that's needed from the Dundon group is a commitment to sign a 20 year lease that locks the Blazers into staying contingent on the full funding package. Dundon could sign that commitment letter today; he could have signed it on his first day as owner nearly a month ago

if Dundon is being squirrley about the lease terms; if he's demanding more than the 650M; if he's demanding full control over the renovations without investing dollar one; if he's saying he wants a new arena instead of the Moda....then fuck him and those dipshit NDA's. The public, whose money is on the line, has a right to know who these politicians are willing to crawl into bed with

something else to....what exactly is that 650M supposed to buy? Has anybody heard any specifics on that? Is this some form of blank check to just buy speculation? Will half of it go to luxury suites? How much of the renovation is structural? What will be the before and after capacities? There's enough fucking vagueness in this entire scheme to not need elected officials signing NDA's in order to give Dundon cover to be an asshole

 

[wizenheimer]

Or maybe, just maybe, you suck at vibe-detection.

you may be using those devices wrong