OT Winning Time: The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty

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SlyPokerDog said:
LOLZ.

I'm enjoying the hell out of the show. It's pretty clear that there are some things that are made up or highly exaggerated.

Do I believe that Jerry West was a raging asshole? Don't care.

Would I be upset if the Blazers hired Jerry West to help Cronin or whoever our next GM is? No. I would welcome him.

That HBO series is not doing any damage to West. There are a ton of teams that would love to hire him.
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He seems to disagree with you. The lawsuits are stacking up.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/t...inning-time-demand-retraction-hbo-1235132534/
 
https://www.latimes.com/sports/stor...upreme-court-hbo-winning-time-showtime-lakers

Last week, West expressed his unhappiness with the way he is portrayed in the series through a letter to HBO from his attorney, Louis R. Miller.

“You replaced the real Jerry West — a consummate professional — with his polar opposite, then portrayed this lie to the public as genuine,” the letter read. “You thereby violated the law.”

The letter also said: “To mitigate the harm you have caused, we request the issuance of a retraction of Winning Time’s false depiction of Jerry West no later than two weeks from the date of this letter. You also owe Mr. West an apology for your hurtful misrepresentation of his work and legacy, plus damages for the harm you caused to his well-earned and stellar reputation.”

Although the letter seemed to suggest some legal action might take place if those demands aren’t met, West apparently confirmed that to be his intention during his discussion with Dwyre.

“The series made us all [the Lakers] look like cartoon characters,” West told Dwyre. “They belittled something good. If I have to, I will take this all the way to the Supreme Court.”

I wonder if he realizes this all just makes him look more like the character they portrayed in the series?
 
Fairly-Hard said:
https://www.latimes.com/sports/stor...upreme-court-hbo-winning-time-showtime-lakers

Last week, West expressed his unhappiness with the way he is portrayed in the series through a letter to HBO from his attorney, Louis R. Miller.

“You replaced the real Jerry West — a consummate professional — with his polar opposite, then portrayed this lie to the public as genuine,” the letter read. “You thereby violated the law.”

The letter also said: “To mitigate the harm you have caused, we request the issuance of a retraction of Winning Time’s false depiction of Jerry West no later than two weeks from the date of this letter. You also owe Mr. West an apology for your hurtful misrepresentation of his work and legacy, plus damages for the harm you caused to his well-earned and stellar reputation.”

Although the letter seemed to suggest some legal action might take place if those demands aren’t met, West apparently confirmed that to be his intention during his discussion with Dwyre.

“The series made us all [the Lakers] look like cartoon characters,” West told Dwyre. “They belittled something good. If I have to, I will take this all the way to the Supreme Court.”

I wonder if he realizes this all just makes him look more like the character they portrayed in the series?
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Hahaa.This is exactly what the character on Winning Time would do...
 
Wait till Saturday Night Live do a take off on Winning Time.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Now I'm hoping that HBO makes a mockumentary of the Jail Blazer era.
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That would be fucking awesome!
Also worth watching: the 7-seconds-or-less Suns, and the Adelman-era Sacramento Kings

Easiest to do as a genuine spin-off: the Riley Knicks.

(Notice you don't see Pat Riley saying jack squat about Winning Time, since, at least up to the last episode's Spencer Haywood spat, he was looking like the hero.)
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's so weird to me that they decided to take something that really happened, and is easily fact checked, and just rewrote the story.
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Simple solution is for the NBA/Lakers to tell the real story. But you know they won't do that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's so weird to me that they decided to take something that really happened, and is easily fact checked, and just rewrote the story.
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The story as it really happened, new coach, coach gets hurt, replacement coach, Magic as a rookie, Magic replacing Kareem in pivotal game leading them to the title....that is a good enough story that it didn't need to be fictionalized.
 
julius said:
The story as it really happened, new coach, coach gets hurt, replacement coach, Magic as a rookie, Magic replacing Kareem in pivotal game leading them to the title....that is a good enough story that it didn't need to be fictionalized.
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Why not? It's entertainment, it's not claiming to be a documentary.

Did you think James Cameron's Titanic was a documentary?
 
Here is a documentary by the NBA about the Lakers Showtime.

Enjoy!

 
SlyPokerDog said:
Why not? It's entertainment, it's not claiming to be a documentary.

Did you think James Cameron's Titanic was a documentary?
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I get that not all conversations need to be 100% accurate and that kind of thing, but changing actual games that did or didn't happen doesn't make sense. Or inserting his mom into the conversation when she was already dead. Things like that doesn't make sense.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I get that not all conversations need to be 100% accurate and that kind of thing, but changing actual games that did or didn't happen doesn't make sense. Or inserting his mom into the conversation when she was already dead. Things like that doesn't make sense.
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Have you watched any of it?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Why not? It's entertainment, it's not claiming to be a documentary.

Did you think James Cameron's Titanic was a documentary?
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Slightly different scenarios there. Besides the fact that the people who were on the Lakers are, for the most part, still alive, James Camerons movie wasn't *about* the Titanic as much as it was a made up story about people ON the titanic. The main characters in the movie aren't based on real people.

Had the story "winning time" been about made up employees that worked for the lakers, then you could make the analogy. But this was about the Lakers, Magic, Kareem, West, etc, and used real events and stories to tell their story.
 
Maybe they should change the title from "Winning Time" to "Whining Time"?
 
It's one thing to change history if the expectation from the viewer is the movie isn't really based on fact. A perfect example of this is Inglorious Basterds. The movie takes place during WWII, and there are some historical figures in it, but everyone knows that the movie isn't based on reality. Hitler didn't die in a movie theater in Paris. Everyone knows this (at least I hope) and we all understand that the movie is taking major liberties in the name of entertainment.

That's not the case with Winning Time.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's so weird to me that they decided to take something that really happened, and is easily fact checked, and just rewrote the story.
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It's weird to me that they didn't get anyone's permission, are using intellectual property that's not theirs, and then are (as you say) basically just making stuff up.

Why should they be able to ride the coattails of people and brands without licensing anything, and yet be utterly irresponsible with how those people and entities are portrayed?

If this was a show with the same plot but fake basketball teams and fake names, I bet that they wouldn't get nearly the publicity and viewership that they're getting now and it seems like HBO is doing so unfairly.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have watched the whole thing. I'm talking about changing major historical facts to fit a plot based on real life.
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The mother's real-life timeline has been adjusted to show that along with his daughter, ex-wife, and the accountant, sexist Buss required women to succeed in business. To show that his mother played a vital role in Buss' business successes would require starting this show years before he acquired the Lakers. This isn't a show about his mother, it's about Buss and the Lakers.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The mother's real-life timeline has been adjusted to show that along with his daughter, ex-wife, and the accountant, sexist Buss required women to succeed in business. To show that his mother played a vital role in Buss' business successes would require starting this show years before he acquired the Lakers. This isn't a show about his mother, it's about Buss and the Lakers.
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But like...... his mom suggesting that he sign the team over to his ex-wife is a major plot point.

I get what you're saying but...... you can't just change history because you find the story to be boring or not compelling enough.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Also Magic would bring Kareem hot dogs instead of orange juice every morning.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertai...-hot-dog-every-morning-not-orange-juice.html/

I can't believe they're lying to us like this!
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Minor things don't matter. Implying they had losses against teams they *didn't* lose to is another. In the same episode they had the teams record written on a chalkboard (implying they were 40-16) vs the Celtics record (I think 41-13?).

Only problem is, the Lakers were never 40-16, they were 39-17 at that point. So why not just put the actual record of the team down, as if saying 40-17 is so much worse? Why lie about such a small thing? And if you're lying about such a small thing (or if lying is too harsh for you, how about embellish), that just makes me question every thing you're saying.
 
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