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riverman said:
I didn't think you'd buy it...it's pretty expensive. 3 Yang SL games brought in 150 mil in Chinese marketing profits...that's just the beginning....we've tapped into a gold mine with the Yang signing.
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"2B increase in the value of the Blazers"?

"150M in marketing profits"?

where are you getting these numbers from?
 
wizenheimer said:
"2B increase in the value of the Blazers"?

"150M in marketing profits"?

where are you getting these numbers from?
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Here's one I listened to this morning..there are more especially if you understand Mandarin. Yang has a lot of juice right now.
 
riverman said:
The Blazers now have 3 gold medal Olympians on the team with Dame, Jerami and Jrue.
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Same gold medal team, only three years ago.

Out of the three Jerami is the most likely to still have his best basketball in front of him. I don't think Jerami's best season would be better than what Jrue would likely contribute if healthy this upcoming season. It has been reported that Dame isn't even rehabbing for this upcoming season and there's very little reason to think he'll come back as good as he was before the injury and he was just a little over the hill before the injury but still pretty great.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Is that relevant to us though? We don't have a Giannis, or really any legitimate reason to expect we may obtain a player of that caliber.

Nor do we have path toward picking up a healthy, All Star MVP level Dame, for that matter...
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You were talking about some deal being enough to bring in a guy like Dame. Just pointing out mortgaging your future for a star might not be the best move
 
SharpesTriumph said:
OKC did draft Chet with their own pick. Who else have they drafted with their pick? They didn't draft SGA. Jalen pick was from trade. Dort was undrafted. I'm not seeing them as an example to tank. More they are an example to get picks back in trades.

Now I do agree that acquiring picks and assets in trades is a vital key. But that has nothing to do with tanking that your such a big proponent of.

Only player 6ers got after a half decade of extreme tanking that was ultimately worth a damn in the draft was Embiid. Most the other guys like Maxey McCain were late picks. I'm not sure we can consider the 6ers to have ever been a contender since they never got past the 2nd round in a weak East

Boston certainly built through the draft with Tatum/Brown. But that wasn't their own picks - it was from a trade. Hopefully the Bucks picks we have can get some of that value.

Golden State did build with some great draft picks, but none of them were top lottery picks.

If anything your just convincing me further of how little a teams own picks at the top of the lottery should be the main part of building a contender.
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Simmons was worth a lot. Made All NBA, rookie of the year, got them Harden.
 
wizenheimer said:
national games don't reach China. The signal isn't that strong. There might be a slight uptick in Chinese-American viewership, but you're overrating the Yang factor if you think the Blazers will have 20 national games next season, IMO; there was one this season IIRC

Hansen has had a ton of hype in Portland but it is not the same elsewhere, like in Boston or LA of Florida or Texas. I'd wonder about a partnership between Blazer Broadcasting and China TV
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Yang has been hyped on many national platforms. But no, we won’t get 20 national TV games.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You were talking about some deal being enough to bring in a guy like Dame. Just pointing out mortgaging your future for a star might not be the best move
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Thats one of the big reasons to build up picks like the Blazers have done with the Magic, Bucks, Celtics picks. Then you can send out that draft equity to bring in a star but still keep all your own future picks.
 
riverman said:
Here's one I listened to this morning..there are more especially if you understand Mandarin. Yang has a lot of juice right now.
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it doesn't say how it was that the Blazers "raked in 150M in commercial value"

from what? Merchandise sales like jerseys and hats in China? There are a lot of fingers in that pie: retailers, manufacturers, the NBA and all 30 teams. I can believe there's been 150M in merchandise sales, but not a lot of that will flow directly to the Portland franchise
 
wizenheimer said:
it doesn't say how it was that the Blazers "raked in 150M in commercial value"

from what? Merchandise sales like jerseys and hats in China? There are a lot of fingers in that pie: retailers, manufacturers, the NBA and all 30 teams. I can believe there's been 150M in merchandise sales, but not a lot of that will flow directly to the Portland franchise
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I'm not going to argue this with you....Taipei Times, China TV and several sports blogs in the states all cite the same numbers...you can go ahead and try to water it down or disprove it. Your choice. The Blazers picked up millions of fans over this guy....I don't think you comprehend how huge that market is. My Taiwanese wife isn't even a Blazer fan and she was blown away by the hype he's generated. Actually it's put a lot of pressure on the kid...in China his face will be on cereal boxes, instant noodles, shoes, cars, sports drinks etc.....the sky is the limit for him...Jeremy Lin made a fortune over there with marketing deals. I also read over 4 million people tuned into watch Yang play in SL compared to 1.2 million tuning in to watch Cooper Flagg
 
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Mediocre Man said:
You were talking about some deal being enough to bring in a guy like Dame. Just pointing out mortgaging your future for a star might not be the best move
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I was pointing out that even doing so probably wouldn't be enough to make us a contender.
 
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riverman said:
I'm not going to argue this with you....Taipei Times, China TV and several sports blogs in the states all cite the same numbers...you can go ahead and try to water it down or disprove it. Your choice. The Blazers picked up millions of fans over this guy....I don't think you comprehend how huge that market is. My Taiwanese wife isn't even a Blazer fan and she was blown away by the hype he's generated. Actually it's put a lot of pressure on the kid...in China his face will be on cereal boxes, instant noodles, shoes, cars, sports drinks etc.....the sky is the limit for him...Jeremy Lin made a fortune over there with marketing deals.
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I'm not disputing that China is a huge market and there may be great profit opportunities for the NBA and Blazers because of Yang. I am asking how it was that China media came up with the 150M number. I can believe they are tracking merchandise sales of Yang related products in China. But 150M spent on retail merchandise in China doesn't all land in Portland

I'm also really curious where you got the number that the franchise value for the Blazers went up 2B in less than a month
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm not disputing that China is a huge market and there may be great profit opportunities for the NBA and Blazers because of Yang. I am asking how it was that China media came up with the 150M number. I can believe they are tracking merchandise sales of Yang related products in China. But 150M spent on retail merchandise in China doesn't all land in Portland

I'm also really curious where you got the number that the franchise value for the Blazers went up 2B in less than a month
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the 2 billion was mentioned in several videos I think in the one I linked as well. The Rockets made bank with Yao Ming in a similar way but the money was less in his days.Some marketing money and sponsorship money will go to the NBA, Yang himself and some to the Blazers...every article I found said the Blazer got 150 mil of the pie...that was converted from something like 1.65 Remibi Chinese currency...not exact on the RRemibi number but it was well over a billion....the millions of new Blazer fans is reflected in Blazers followers, ticket holders, etc.....there's just no down side to what this generates for the franchise...Also having 3 gold medal Olympians and a top 75 player back boosts the team's value. Signing a Belgian or French player doesn't come with this sort of fan increase. We'll see if the bidding for the team brings in that kind of money.
 
riverman said:
In two weeks since acquiring Yang, the Blazers media has added 3 million new fans...the franchise has reportedly added 2 billion in value as well. One of the smartest marketing moves in the NBA
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I think the part of your post that I put in bold is where no one believes you. If drafting Yang instantly added something like 50% more value to a franchises net worth, the dude would have gone number one in the draft. There's just no way that adding Yang on its own added 2 billion dollars to the price of a team for sale.
 
riverman said:
...every article I found said the Blazer got 150 mil of the pie...
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how? that's all I'm asking since I don't automatically believe shit I read on the net. Just how was it that the Blazers got an amount equal to next season's salary cap from 3 summer league games and the money has already been entered on the books. Seems like most of any money from China would go to the NBA and be part of the BRI. Then the Blazers would get 1/30th of 50% after the league office took their cut

2B is a specific number and it's just not credible

we don't even know if Yang is going to last in the NBA or be more than a backup C. Or who the buyer of the team is going to be
 
blazerkor said:
I think the part of your post that I put in bold is where no one believes you. If drafting Yang instantly added something like 50% more value to a franchises net worth, the dude would have gone number one in the draft. There's just no way that adding Yang on its own added 2 billion dollars to the price of a team for sale.
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that's what I went after first. 2B is a wild assertion

but the actual financial mechanics of the Blazers already getting 150M from China from 3 summer league games doesn't seem very credible either
 
blazerkor said:
I think the part of your post that I put in bold is where no one believes you. If drafting Yang instantly added something like 50% more value to a franchises net worth, the dude would have gone number one in the draft. There's just no way that adding Yang on its own added 2 billion dollars to the price of a team for sale.
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I didn’t write the articles or make the videos so it’s not about believing me. I’m sharing what I’ve been reading about the topic. As to what the franchise is worth. It’s more valuable today than when Ant was our best player guaranteed. Did anyone think Jeannie Buss would get 10 billion and still own a share of the Lakers? Doubtful. We’ll see what the bidding brings in but I’m not the source of these articles so let’s keep the topic in perspective here. Personally I think it’s a great topic of conversation. Some folks just want to blame the messenger. Also there are a lot of sports analysts who thing Yang should have gone top of the draft.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't automatically believe shit I read on the net.
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everyone reading anything in print or on the net goes into it with their own system of values and some things resonate and others don't....that's life in the world of info...if you don't believe a stat or article then you're a smart guy...find out with your own filters what you believe resonates as your truth...most sports talk is always framed with speculation..I'd think we'd all go into a chat room aware of that and comment accordingly. I use the traffic light filter...green I believe...yellow...maybe...red ...fuck no. Ask yourself if it's worth fact checking everything or if something just resonates as highly possible. Enough varied sources cited the Yang SL line that I find it highly likely. If it were a Jaynes article...I'd probably doubt the validity. Choices..
 
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wizenheimer said:
that's what I went after first. 2B is a wild assertion
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Yup, seems far fetched.

but the actual financial mechanics of the Blazers already getting 150M from China from 3 summer league games doesn't seem very credible either
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Yup unlikely, even if we look at gross numbers.

We have seen the 5.2M viewership of the Griz game, let's assume all 4 games together have had a 10M viewership (assume the Griz game was the largest by far).

Now, take 0.3% (*) of these viewers bought Blazers Merch, given what I have seen for official jerseys starting at the $50 and going up, 10M * 0.003 * 50 = $1.5M - the broadcasts in China were free, so I doubt they saw a lot of income from there, to get to the $150M, you will need to either have 100 times the purchase ratio or 100 times the transaction number. That just seems unlikely.

But, what do I know...

(*) - The percentage of viewers that purchased merchandise in the US is estimated at 1.7% for the entire year and many of these are likely long time fans, I used 0.3 as it is about 1/5 of this and even this is a very generous estimate for a week+ of basketball, even if there is an excitement of a new thing.
 
andalusian said:
Yup, seems far fetched.



Yup unlikely, even if we look at gross numbers.

We have seen the 5.2M viewership of the Griz game, let's assume all 4 games together have had a 10M viewership (assume the Griz game was the largest by far).

Now, take 0.3% (*) of these viewers bought Blazers Merch, given what I have seen for official jerseys starting at the $50 and going up, 10M * 0.003 * 50 = $1.5M - the broadcasts in China were free, so I doubt they saw a lot of income from there, to get to the $150M, you will need to either have 100 times the purchase ratio or 100 times the transaction number. That just seems unlikely.

But, what do I know...

(*) - The percentage of viewers that purchased merchandise in the US is estimated at 1.7% for the entire year and many of these are likely long time fans, I used 0.3 as it is about 1/5 of this and even this is a very generous estimate for a week+ of basketball, even if there is an excitement of a new thing.
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good summary

my points are that even if there was 150M of Yang merchandise sold in a week...and that's possible I guess....the retailers in China are going to take their share; distributors are going to take a share; NBA approved manufacturers are going to get a slice; and of course, what balance remains is part of the BRI calculation with 50% distributed to all 30 teams. The "3 summer league games" that supposedly generated all this money happened within the last 10 days, and the money was generated in China. Unless bags of dollars were loaded into a jet in Beijing and flown directly to the Blazer HQ, it might be months before the Blazers see any of that
 
riverman said:
I didn’t write the articles or make the videos so it’s not about believing me. I’m sharing what I’ve been reading about the topic. As to what the franchise is worth. It’s more valuable today than when Ant was our best player guaranteed. Did anyone think Jeannie Buss would get 10 billion and still own a share of the Lakers? Doubtful. We’ll see what the bidding brings in but I’m not the source of these articles so let’s keep the topic in perspective here. Personally I think it’s a great topic of conversation. Some folks just want to blame the messenger. Also there are a lot of sports analysts who thing Yang should have gone top of the draft.
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I know you're just quoting what you read. But what you quoted is not credible
 
riverman said:
the 2 billion was mentioned in several videos I think in the one I linked as well. The Rockets made bank with Yao Ming in a similar way but the money was less in his days.Some marketing money and sponsorship money will go to the NBA, Yang himself and some to the Blazers...every article I found said the Blazer got 150 mil of the pie...that was converted from something like 1.65 Remibi Chinese currency...not exact on the RRemibi number but it was well over a billion....the millions of new Blazer fans is reflected in Blazers followers, ticket holders, etc.....there's just no down side to what this generates for the franchise...Also having 3 gold medal Olympians and a top 75 player back boosts the team's value. Signing a Belgian or French player doesn't come with this sort of fan increase. We'll see if the bidding for the team brings in that kind of money.
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I don't want to counter your information as I did not tracked it. I would just be careful with the argument taht a few videos have the same piece of information. Nowadays rewriting other articles is so easily done and so often done that one source can be taken for doznes of article. As a journalist myself, I know in a niche as Switzlerand that if I write something wrong, it will be aggregated 10 times in an hour. That won't make it more true
 
riverman said:
the 2 billion was mentioned in several videos I think in the one I linked as well. The Rockets made bank with Yao Ming in a similar way but the money was less in his days.Some marketing money and sponsorship money will go to the NBA, Yang himself and some to the Blazers...every article I found said the Blazer got 150 mil of the pie...that was converted from something like 1.65 Remibi Chinese currency...not exact on the RRemibi number but it was well over a billion....the millions of new Blazer fans is reflected in Blazers followers, ticket holders, etc.....there's just no down side to what this generates for the franchise...Also having 3 gold medal Olympians and a top 75 player back boosts the team's value. Signing a Belgian or French player doesn't come with this sort of fan increase. We'll see if the bidding for the team brings in that kind of money.
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The historical rarity of players coming into the league from the China Market and finding success should be noted as well. Basketball means something over there, and those big time basketball fans have been hungry for another player like Yao to come into the league and be a star player. The better Yang does the more the “hype” Will increase in the market… Meaning it will only get better/more lucrative for the franchise.
 
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