Zach Collins' old tweets as a kid (1 Viewer)

[SlyPokerDog]

My daughter can't add apps to her phone because of a parental control app I've installed. She doesn't have any social media except Facebook. She doesn't have the password. I do. She doesn't have web access on her phone, or unsupervised at home.

Perhaps I'm draconian, but I call it responsible parenting.

And she's not using her BFF's old smartphone when she's at school? Not an open wifi in the neighborhood? Maybe got a password from a parent when she was babysitting for them? You only have 10 fingers, you can't plug all the holes in a teenager's dike.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

And she's not using her BFF's old smartphone when she's at school? Not an open wifi in the neighborhood? Maybe got a password from a parent when she was babysitting for them? You only have 10 fingers, you can't plug all the holes in a teenager's dike.

I said dike, not dyke you sick bastards.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And she's not using her BFF's old smartphone when she's at school? Not an open wifi in the neighborhood? Maybe got a password from a parent when she was babysitting for them? You only have 10 fingers, you can't plug all the holes in a teenager's dike.

Did you just call my daughter a dike?

Is @SlyPokerDog a homophobe?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And she's not using her BFF's old smartphone when she's at school? Not an open wifi in the neighborhood? Maybe got a password from a parent when she was babysitting for them? You only have 10 fingers, you can't plug all the holes in a teenager's dike.

I see her friends' accounts too. If she had another account, she'd be on their friends lists, otherwise what's the point? (Maybe she has a alias?!)

The network isn't the issue. She has no unfettered access to web enabled devices at home. (But at school...!)

The parents she's babysat for are as strict as us if not stricter.

Quite simply, my daughter has no practice being deceptive. I was a much worse kid than she ever has been. Parental deception takes practice. You fail at it multiple times before you figure it out. Unless my daughter is a criminal mastermind who simply figured out how to hide all traces of unapproved online persona on the first try, the expectations that have been set are being followed.

HOWEVER, we've gotten far afield of the actual topic. It's not as though these tweets of Collins' are on some deeply buried account under a clever pseudonym that were uncovered by a deep dive from a private investigator specializing in web forensics. They were on a public account under his name. In my mind, allowing that kind of crap from a 14-year-old is bad parenting. I don't think that's an unreasonable position.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Quite simply, my daughter has no practice being deceptive. I was a much worse kid than she ever has been. Parental deception takes practice. You fail at it multiple times before you figure it out. Unless my daughter is a criminal mastermind who simply figured out how to hide all traces of unapproved online persona on the first try, the expectations that have been set are being followed.

Be honest, is your daughter smarter or dumber than you.

If smarter there is a 50/50 chance a boy has already seen pictures of her boobs.

If dumber there is a 60/40 chance the entire school has already seen pictures of her boobs.

Sleep well.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Be honest, is your daughter smarter or dumber than you.

If smarter there is a 50/50 chance a boy has already seen pictures of her boobs.

If dumber there is a 60/40 chance the entire school has already seen pictures of her boobs.

Dumber (slightly), though also significantly more modest than any of her friends. I doubt she's even looked at her own boobs. She's not even willing to read BNM's posts.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Be honest, is your daughter smarter or dumber than you.

If smarter there is a 50/50 chance a boy has already seen pictures of her boobs.

If dumber there is a 60/40 chance the entire school has already seen pictures of her boobs.

Sleep well.

I don't like this timeline

 

[Minstrel]

In my mind, allowing that kind of crap from a 14-year-old is bad parenting. I don't think that's an unreasonable position.

Possibly. I think ensuring that kids have zero privacy and no contact to the world that isn't strictly monitored (and deleted if it seems inappropriate to the parent) isn't the healthiest state, either. I'm not sure Collins' parents should have had his Twitter account locked down, or made sure to delete his inappropriate comments. I'd consider responsible parenting to at least follow what your (I mean "your" in the generic sense, not literally your daughter) kid is tweeting (which can obviously be done without having control of the account) and discussing problematic things he/she might say with him/her. Parents really can't forcibly kill any particular type of behavior--they can only ensure the kid hides it from them if they try. In my opinion, the best thing to do is to engage with them as people (especially once they've hit their teens--I'm not talking about reasoning with 5 year olds) and try to influence their thinking in responsible ways, IMO.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Possibly. I think ensuring that kids have zero privacy and no contact to the world that isn't strictly monitored (and deleted if it seems inappropriate to the parent) isn't the healthiest state, either. I'm not sure Collins' parents should have had his Twitter account locked down, or made sure to delete his inappropriate comments. I'd consider responsible parenting to at least follow what your (I mean "your" in the generic sense, not literally your daughter) kid is tweeting (which can obviously be done without having control of the account) and discussing problematic things he/she might say with him/her. Parents really can't kill any particular type of behavior--they can only ensure the kid hides it from them if they try. In my opinion, the best thing to do is to engage with them as people (especially once they've hit their teens--I'm not talking about reasoning with 5 year olds) and try to influence their thinking in responsible ways, IMO.

Understandable. However, if your kid is also not mature enough to realize the negative aftereffects that posts like that can have, even after said conversation, and act accordingly, then that kid is clearly not mature enough to have a Twitter account.

Different parenting philosophies for different people, obviously.

 

[jonnyboy]

Does he get a pass? A pass to do what? Not get called a homophobe by bored people? He was 14. This thread is a joke. Go work for the National Enquirer, or better yet, a political campaign.

 

[Minstrel]

Understandable. However, if your kid is also not mature enough to realize the negative aftereffects that posts like that can have, even after said conversation, and act accordingly, then that kid is clearly not mature enough to have a Twitter account.

Theoretically, they may not ever be mature enough for one, at any age, heh. It's probably better that they work through mistakes while they're young enough that A. the stakes are a bit lower and B. they still have you around. Rather than "protecting" them from their own immaturity such that they potentially crash and burn the moment they leave the nest.

Different parenting philosophies for different people, obviously.

Without different philosophies, there wouldn't be interesting discussions!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

if your kid is also not mature enough to realize

WHAT?!? Even the most mature kid is not mature enough to realize all the shit you think they should. But I'm sure your kid is the lone exception.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

 

[ebott]

I don't like this timeline

It's certainly a dark one.

The simple truth about teenage boys is that they're terrified that they are gay or that someone else is going to think they're gay. They often use homophobic language as a sort of preemptive strike to make sure they're not the target of homophobic scrutiny.

As I have been reading this thread and it got into parents trying to control their children and possible religious persecution of those in the LGBT community it got me thinking about all the potential professional athletes that grow up trying to carefully cultivate their image. It doesn't look like Collins is one of those. He seems like a stand kid raised with the internet that just spouts what he's thinking. Going with that theory I feel kinda good that we found a homophobic tweet from five years ago. If he were really a homophobe we'd have found a lot more.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

Technicality police: if you could care less, that mean you actually care !

 

[KingSpeed]

Nothing suggestive. I agree with most of the posters here that it's complete immaturity and innocent. It's Blazer related now, so I posted it.

It was absolutely suggestive! Posting a link called "Zach Collins' old tweets as a kid" would've been fine and on topic. Posting a thread called "Zach Collins homophobe?" is inflammatory. I'm personally offended by the thread title and I vote to change it. We're the official message board of the Blazers and we just drafted this teenager. Now we're gonna bash him? Let's stay classier than that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It was absolutely suggestive! Posting a link called "Zach Collins' old tweets as a kid" would've been fine and on topic. Posting a thread called "Zach Collins homophobe?" is inflammatory. I'm personally offended by the thread title and I vote to change it. We're the official message board of the Blazers and we just drafted this teenager. Now we're gonna bash him? Let's stay classier than that.

I can do that.

Thanks for the title suggestion. Done.

 

[BBert]

Go work for the National Enquirer, or better yet, a political campaign.

The Enquirer IS part of a political campaign.

But I digress.

 

[Mediocre Man]

It was absolutely suggestive! Posting a link called "Zach Collins' old tweets as a kid" would've been fine and on topic. Posting a thread called "Zach Collins homophobe?" is inflammatory. I'm personally offended by the thread title and I vote to change it. We're the official message board of the Blazers and we just drafted this teenager. Now we're gonna bash him? Let's stay classier than that.

Who bashed him?

 

[Cippy91]

Oh look, people getting outraged over a 14 year old tweets and assuming anybody who refers to anything as gay isn't a homophobic bigot. Come on guys, this is virtue signaling at its finest. This is what the kids say. Including me at 25. Yes, I say gay to people close to me. Am I homophobic no. Am I secretly gay? No I have been in a relationship for five years. People need to chill. Words are words, people give the, power. Gay used to mean happy. Fag wasn't even a slur originally. We grew up calling our friends gay and the meaning was entirely different. It's incredibly stupid to get upset about a 14 year olds tweets or anybody who says that unless the intent is to directly attack a gay person. All about context and intent

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Oh look, people getting outraged over a 14 year old tweets and assuming anybody who refers to anything as gay isn't a homophobic bigot.

Who in the forum is outraged?

Gay used to mean happy. Fag wasn't even a slur originally. We grew up calling our friends gay and the meaning was entirely different.

I call BS on this. I'm sure you called your friends gay but you were teasingly calling them homosexual. Gay hasn't been used for happy since before your dad was born.

 

[dviss1]

Nothing suggestive. I agree with most of the posters here that it's complete immaturity and innocent. It's Blazer related now, so I posted it.

I'm left wondering the last time you started a positive thread...

 

[Blazinaway]

sometimes I just shake my head at the dumb threads that get started here, what a waste of time

 

[Cippy91]

Who in the forum is outraged?



I call BS on this. I'm sure you called your friends gay but you were teasingly calling them homosexual. Gay hasn't been used for happy since before your dad was born.

I meant more so people on the internet outside the forum are outraged and virtue signaling.

Doesn't matter that gay hasn't been used in that way for that long. Same with fag. They meant different things at one point. I have grown up in the time gay meant stupid or whatever and can tell you we used it and still use it but pretty rarely these days not to describe anything homosexual. I mean you won't get it. I don't expect you too.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I meant more so people on the internet outside the forum are outraged and virtue signaling.

Doesn't matter that gay hasn't been used in that way for that long. Same with fag. They meant different things at one point. I have grown up in the time gay meant stupid or whatever and can tell you we used it and still use it but pretty rarely these days not to describe anything homosexual. I mean you won't get it. I don't expect you too.

I don't get that words have different meanings over time? Ummmm.... sure, I would never get that.

 

[BigGameDamian]

www.totalprosports.com/2017/06/22/twitter-finds-blazers-draft-pick-zach-collins-old-tweets-about-wanting-big-booty-girl-also-twerks-on-cam-vid

Does he get a pass due to his age?

If he was a Lakers, GSW, Knicks or Clippers this thread would have been a lot more fun. Zach Collins is a Blazers so everything is OK.

 

[Cippy91]

I don't get that words have different meanings over time? Ummmm.... sure, I would never get that.

No I'm saying you won't get how it's used today by younger people. It's hard to explain.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No I'm saying you won't get how it's used today by younger people. It's hard to explain.

I get it. It's not like you're generation has suddenly come up with a new meaning for gay, lol.

You first said that gay meant happy and that you used to call your friends gay. I called BS on that and you immediately agreed with me. You were not meaning happy when you called your friends gay, you meant stupid. Point being is that you weren't using gay as a compliment or expression of happiness like you originally claimed. See, I knew you weren't a neckbeard, I know you aren't calling women milady and wishing everyone Gay Birthday!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I meant more so people on the internet outside the forum are outraged and virtue signaling.

Doesn't matter that gay hasn't been used in that way for that long. Same with fag. They meant different things at one point. I have grown up in the time gay meant stupid or whatever and can tell you we used it and still use it but pretty rarely these days not to describe anything homosexual. I mean you won't get it. I don't expect you too.

The thing is, the fact that you and your friends used gay as a synonym for stupid or unmanly is based first on the fact that gay meant homosexual. If the word didn't have that meaning first, you wouldn't subsequently use it as a pejorative. The implication, then, is that homosexuality is negative, as is the activity or characteristic you were describing as "gay".

It's not difficult to follow the linguistic evolution.

 

[julius]

The thing is, the fact that you and your friends used gay as a synonym for stupid or unmanly is based first on the fact that gay meant homosexual. If the word didn't have that meaning first, you wouldn't subsequently use it as a pejorative. The implication, then, is that homosexuality is negative, as is the activity or characteristic you were describing as "gay".

It's not difficult to follow the linguistic evolution.

I remember hearing a friend say "hey, the word really means happy!"

So I asked him "are you telling me, that you're really just calling me a happy wad?"