2 officers shot at Dallas Texas police protest

[Minstrel]

And in this case, I'm saying that there are issues, other than guns, that are higher up the list that need to be addressed.

I agree that there are other issues that also need to be addressed, but it's not mutually exclusive. It's reasonable to pursue action on a number of fronts: domestic terrorism, mental care, police accountability, the tone of the dialog--and fairly straight-foward gun measures, like restrictions on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines as well as background checks (measures that are, incidentally, broadly popular among the US population).

If we could only do one thing at a time, we could debate whether gun control should be that one thing. But we don't have to do just one thing at a time and we've never, as a nation, worked towards only one goal at a time.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Do you have any statistics on cops shooting unarmed blacks vs unarmed of other races? Or are you just giving and emotionally charged rant like the media wants?

Actually no, I don't have statistics currently in hand, though I suspect I can easily find them. But in this instance it would be like asking me to provide statistics to prove Damian Lillard is a great ball player. I trust my eyes and ears to confirm it. Not everything in life needs (IMHO generally overrated) statistics to prove a point. Especially this particular point. Proof is everywhere around us virtually daily. And yes, most definitely I'm on an emotionally charged rant that has nothing to do with what media does or does not want. I base my rant on spending 62 years of life watching the same old bullshit play out year after year while we engage in the same old rationalization so and shit never changes except for the worst.

When the KKK makes threats against black lives, we generally just laugh at them as the ignorant clowns they are, despite their violent history against blacks. We don't take them seriously because they don't threaten white lives, therefore we have no skin in the game. We certainly don't spend a whole lot of time trying to respect the black perspective in these instances. But let an angry black man threaten a white life and we run screaming for our lives and our guns. I am truly befuddled by how cold whites are in general to issues that negatively impact minority lives. I have finally and truly come understand the meaning of white privilege.

 

[Minstrel]

People seem to be judging law enforcement on a few shit-bags, which makes as much sense as judging the protestors by these dipshits.

I've never judged the police as a whole by the relative few who murder members of the public. I'm quite certain that 99.9% of the police force are perfectly normal and good people. But A. I do think police, as the enforcement arm of the government and therefore given legal sanction to levy deadly force, have a greater duty toward responsible, non-escalatory process and accountability and B. there have been clearly corrupt police forces in parts of the nation, which underscores the need for proper oversight and regulatory processes.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I think Dallas just proves how extremely vulnerable cops are.

It's like riding a motorcycle. You can wear all the protective gear and ride as safe as possible, but all it takes is one person pulling out in front of you and you die.

Police are out there doing their job. They wear body armor. They carry guns, but they operate under the assumption that people aren't trying to kill them. If someone or a group of someones decided they wanted to start killing cops, it would be extremely easy to do so. You call the police, they show up. You know where they'll be. They're sitting ducks. They aren't driving in up-armored humvees. They aren't moving in groups looking for threats at all times. They operate in an environment where they think people want them to be there.

This will all change if this kind of thing continues. There will be police reform, and not in a good way. How will people feel when they call the police and the police decide the danger is too great and they won't come?

From a black perspective, maybe blacks feel the danger from police is too great, so they won't call....problem solved for both sides.....

 

[Chris Craig]

Police are ill trained and react to quickly. There are a lot of good cops out there and a small percentage that are making a bad name for them. Now Police officers killing black men has evolved to black men sniping police officers...This is all so fucked up. All Lives Matter.

 

[noknobs]

I've never judged the police as a whole by the relative few who murder members of the public. I'm quite certain that 99.9% of the police force are perfectly normal and good people. But A. I do think police, as the enforcement arm of the government and therefore given legal sanction to levy deadly force, have a greater duty toward responsible, non-escalatory process and accountability and B. there have been clearly corrupt police forces in parts of the nation, which underscores the need for proper oversight and regulatory processes.

If 99.9% are normal/good people, then it seems they are responsibly fulfilling their greater duty toward non-escalatory process and accountability. So I'm not sure what you want?

Regarding B, there are corrupt people in all aspects of society, politics, business, you name it. Systems are put in place, as they already are in law enforcement, for oversight and regulatory processes, but it still happens. It's great to want to reform the world, but I think you'll find it's never going to work 100% of the time.

 

[Minstrel]

If 99.9% are normal/good people, then it seems they are responsibly fulfilling their greater duty toward non-escalatory process and accountability. So I'm not sure what you want?

Accountability for those who actually do murder people, which may cause other so-inclined individuals to think twice, for one thing.

Regarding B, there are corrupt people in all aspects of society, politics, business, you name it. Systems are put in place, as they already are in law enforcement, for oversight and regulatory processes, but it still happens. It's great to want to reform the world, but I think you'll find it's never going to work 100% of the time.

If your position is that every system and process in the world is already the best it can be, with no possibility of improvement, then we disagree. There's a difference between wanting perfection and simply wanting to improve what currently exists.

 

[noknobs]

Accountability for those who actually do murder people, which may cause other so-inclined individuals to think twice, for one thing.

I'm all for that. What did Dallas have to do with the accountability of these murders?

If your position is that every system and process in the world is already the best it can be, with no possibility of improvement, then we disagree. There's a difference between wanting perfection and simply wanting to improve what currently exists.

The best it can be? Ha, definitely not. What are these black lives matter protestors specifically suggesting as a means to improving the current system? Honest question, I don't know the answer. I do think it's weird that law enforcement accountability only becomes a heated debate and creates nation-wide protests when a white cop kills a black man. It's the same cyclical insanity whenever a mass shooting takes place; it's suddenly about gun control and then nothing happens. Maybe my real problem is I'm too cynical to think anything's going to change for the better. The only result I see from all this is things getting worse.

 

[Minstrel]

I'm all for that.

Cool, then we basically agree.

What did Dallas have to do with the accountability of these murders?

I have no idea. Connecting instances of violence with clear "X caused Y" statements is dangerous and probably not even possible. It could have just been a mentally unstable person who had no connection to anything else. Or there could be a link. And, of course, there's certainly no justification for the Dallas events, no matter what factors led to it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What some of you don't know and the press isn't reporting hardly at all is that yesterday's protest wasn't organized by BLM. It was organized by this group - http://nextgenerationactionnetwork.com/

The Next Generation Action Network is a multi-cultural not for profit organization founded in August of 2014. As an organization our mission is to lobby for social change and equality for all regardless of race, religion, nationality, gender or age.

Our Vision


To cultivate young leaders driven towards the eradication of social injustice through social, educational, civil and community reform…


Breaking down the racial barriers …


Strive to reverse racial intolerance, ignorance, stereotypes and prejudice as well as break down the racial barriers that still exist between people today by interacting with and meeting new people from different cultural backgrounds. We cannot understand a culture unless we know other cultures and interact with them. Interacting with different people from other backgrounds is very important if we are ever going to eliminate racism, progress together as a nation and foster a sense of community.​

 

[Spud147]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/au...-shootings/ar-BBu6pZS?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=UE07DHP

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/missouri-shot-day-dallas-police-attack-article-1.2704372

 

[Chris Craig]

Both suspects have been taken into custody, alive, according to police.

They still do the electric chair there?

 

[MarAzul]

while "hero" cops deserve the benefit of every doubt. An even bigger crock of shit.

Killing cops as happened in Dallas last night will fix nothing for any person, no one. There is no justification for this period. Get pissed as you like for what ever reason you wish, but
I sure hope you can agree with what I just said.

And as it stands, I believe the guy that said this, "suspect’s final words: ‘I want to kill white people".
Any excuse will do and then it will get really friggin ugly.

 

[MarAzul]

What some of you don't know and the press isn't reporting hardly at all is that yesterday's protest wasn't organized by BLM. It was organized by this group - http://nextgenerationactionnetwork.com/

The Next Generation Action Network is a multi-cultural not for profit organization founded in August of 2014. As an organization our mission is to lobby for social change and equality for all regardless of race, religion, nationality, gender or age.

Our Vision


To cultivate young leaders driven towards the eradication of social injustice through social, educational, civil and community reform…


Breaking down the racial barriers …


Strive to reverse racial intolerance, ignorance, stereotypes and prejudice as well as break down the racial barriers that still exist between people today by interacting with and meeting new people from different cultural backgrounds. We cannot understand a culture unless we know other cultures and interact with them. Interacting with different people from other backgrounds is very important if we are ever going to eliminate racism, progress together as a nation and foster a sense of community.​

Sounds like the U of Texas entrance selection boards goals.

 

[Chris Craig]

The media and the Obama administration are to blame for flaming these fires. This country is so fucked in the head. Its in a horrible state, Thanks Obama!

How is this Obama's fault?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

How is this Obama's fault?

He often takes the side of the young black youth versus the police before any investigation occurs. Goes up, makes a statement while implicitly alluding that the police are to blame and that these black pillars of the community look like his sons.

He goes immediately and riles up these Black Lives Matters protestors. Some nutjob takes it a little too literally and causes violence and death.

 

[MarAzul]

Some nutjob takes it a little too literally and causes violence and death.

Spot on! But dang! I have to wonder just how unaware the leader is of his effect?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Spot on! But dang! I have to wonder just how unaware the leader is of his effect?

I'm also not ready to discount the false flag theory. He was hired by a Government Agency or an NGO to kill people, then he was executed before he could talk or be taken into custody. The whole robot killing machine is just too suspect.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Spot on! But dang! I have to wonder just how unaware the leader is of his effect?

He knows exactly what he's doing.

 

[Natebishop3]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/au...-shootings/ar-BBu6pZS?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=UE07DHP

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/missouri-shot-day-dallas-police-attack-article-1.2704372

The race war is real.

 

[MarAzul]

he was executed before he could talk

Always a bad thing. We shouldn't even really care about convictions in cases like these. Information is what is needed. even if it takes years.

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm also not ready to discount the false flag theory. He was hired by a Government Agency or an NGO to kill people, then he was executed before he could talk or be taken into custody. The whole robot killing machine is just too suspect.

I don't buy that paranoid crap. He killed himself, then they sent a bomb to make it look like they took him out and gave control...doubtful the shooter is a government hired assassin.

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm also not ready to discount the false flag theory. He was hired by a Government Agency or an NGO to kill people, then he was executed before he could talk or be taken into custody. The whole robot killing machine is just too suspect.

Of course he was killed or killed himself, he just murdered 5 police officers, he wasn't going to let himself be taken in, nor were the cops going to ask questions.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't buy that paranoid crap. He killed himself, then they sent a bomb to make it look like they took him out and gave control...doubtful the shooter is a government hired assassin.

It was a hit squad and he was the fall guy.

 

[Chris Craig]

It was a hit squad and he was the fall guy.

No fucking way. Why? The republicans trying to make the Democrats look bad? Governments inciting fear to keep control? Ok maybe I can see that happening, but to kill cops...damn

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

No fucking way. Why? The republicans trying to make the Democrats look bad? Governments inciting fear to keep control?

It creates chaos 4 months prior to an election. It will mobilize black voters as more violence comes through and anti-gun legislation. Every election is decided on one key issue that is "hot" during that time.

I don't think this is the end of it either.

 

[MarAzul]

The race war is real.

Obama needs to use his Bully Pulpit ASAP and he isn't going to do it. But I am afraid he already has.

 

[MARIS61]

Interesting database.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/

 

[Chris Craig]

He often takes the side of the young black youth versus the police before any investigation occurs. Goes up, makes a statement while implicitly alluding that the police are to blame and that these black pillars of the community look like his sons.

He goes immediately and riles up these Black Lives Matters protestors. Some nutjob takes it a little too literally and causes violence and death.

I looked back at Obama's responses and I see him calling for accoutability, which I agree with after seeing the videos, neither of these shootings appear to be justifiable. Obama called for everyone to come together, not to become vigilantes and go on killing sprees...

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I looked back at Obama's responses and I see him calling for accoutability, which I agree with after seeing the videos, neither of these shootings appear to be justifiable. Obama called for everyone to come together, not to become vigilantes and go on killing sprees...

That's not for Obama to decide if they are justified or not. There's a process, and once these things go through the process the cops are usually exonerated.