2013 Official NBA Off-season Movement & Rumors (Merged threads)

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I understand why IND did it. They are in it to win now and Scola can certainly bolster their bench. With that said, it is quite a bit to give up for a guy who was claimed off amenisted waivers. PHX made out well.
 
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The word is that the Knicks and Grizz are looking into Delonte West. As crazy as that dude is, just look at the Grizz team leaders - Tony Allen and Zach Randolph... those two are crazy as shit as well! I don't want to become the Jail Blazers 2.0, but I doubt he's going to disrupt our chemistry with those two on the squad, and TA's apparently a friend of his.

So that news came out, and I was pumped, but then I just read this -

The Memphis Grizzlies are expressing firm interest in Mo Williams.

Williams does not have a clear frontrunner up to this point.

Williams averaged 12.9 points and 6.2 assists last season for the Utah Jazz.
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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/229154/Grizzlies-Interested-In-Mo-Williams

Hell yeah! A legitimate back-up point guard for once? I mean, we had shooting problems last year, but we were also shallow as hell in the backcourt. If we could end this offseason by bringing in a shooter (Miller), a legitimate backup C (Koufos) and backup PG (Williams), while resigning TA and drafting a first round talent in the second round (Franklin), I'd have to give our offseason an A+ for the first time in a long time.

This would be the depth chart... new additions in bold, unsigned but holding the rights in (parenthesis) -

PG - Mike Conley/Mo Williams/(Nick Calathes)/Tony Wroten/(Josh Akognon)
SG - Tony Allen/Quincy Pondexter/Jerryd Bayless/Jamaal Franklin
SF - Tayshaun Prince/Mike Miller/Quincy Pondexter/(Donte Greene)
PF - Zach Randolph/Ed Davis/Jon Leuer/(Willie Reed)
C - Marc Gasol/Kosta Koufos
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See ya in the WCF again, San Antonio...
 
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I didn't even know Mo Williams was available. He gets a lot of hate but I've always like his game.

Olshey should have got on that. Oh well.
 
I think Mo ends up with Miami. He wants a big contract, he's not going to get one this time round, so why not sign up for a year with a championship contender (sorry Memphis, but that's not quite you) and get maximum exposure and probably a ring?

PG - Mike Conley/Mo Williams/(Nick Calathes)/Tony Wroten/(Josh Akognon)
SG - Tony Allen/Quincy Pondexter/Jerryd Bayless/Jamaal Franklin
SF - Tayshaun Prince/Mike Miller/Quincy Pondexter/(Donte Greene)
PF - Zach Randolph/Ed Davis/Jon Leuer/(Willie Reed)
C - Marc Gasol/Kosta Koufos
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Not that it really matters, but Akognon is in no shape or form (except height) a PG. He's a gunner to the core. So basically just like Wroten and Bayless. Only even more so.

I wanted Jamaal Franklin (although we have our version in Will Barton - maybe we should swap, Barton being an ex-Tiger) - he should be fun to watch in garbage time in any blowouts that you have.

Calathes should be a good pickup: a sort of Steve Blake type. Even without Williams that team is pretty stacked. Pacers West. Was the Koufos trade in part to clear up playing time for Ed Davis? Because it's about time he was given a chance. He's your Jermaine O'Neal.

Last thought on Memphis: Peter Vecsey thinks the team is going to miss Lionel Hollins badly. I know you don't rate his coaching, but Vecsey reckons it was his force of personality that kept the crazies on that team in line.
 
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Mo Williams has already shown he is the perfect Pg next to LeBron too
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Apparently Milos Teodosic (Serbian PG who's long been considered a top 5 Euro player) would even rather play for CSKA (because they have a chance to win the EuroLeague) than the Grizzlies.
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Thanks for the info about Teodosic... I hadn't even realized that the Grizzlies were going for him. You'd think that being a small town, we'd have a lot of coverage of our one pro team, but it's amateur hour around here.

My only question with Teodosic turning down our offer is... what was the Grizz's offer? I just googled Teodosic's salary, and apparently he made over $2.5 mill in USD's last season. Maybe the Grizz just didn't offer him enough money...

As far as Williams goes... I get it, we're not Miami or San Antonio, but we're that next level, and we can offer more money. Not to mention, Mo Williams if from Jackson, which is a short day's drive from Memphis. I'm sure he's got a lot of family in the area, maybe even a house, and that could factor into the equation. I mean, Monta Ellis is from Jackson, and he lives in Memphis in the offseason.

Hell, he wouldn't be the first player to turn down supposed better "contenders" for the Grizzlies this summer. Mike Miller turned down OKC and Houston to sign with Memphis, so I don't see why it's unrealistic to think Williams would turn down the Heat and Spurs' less lucrative offers to move right outside his hometown and play for a WCF team.

The Heat are probably the realistic leaders, given that they can actually offer him a starting position and the best chances of a title, but I wouldn't count the Grizz out of the race yet.
 
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NOVoodoo said:
The word is that the Knicks and Grizz are looking into Delonte West. As crazy as that dude is, just look at the Grizz team leaders - Tony Allen and Zach Randolph... those two are crazy as shit as well! I don't want to become the Jail Blazers 2.0, but I doubt he's going to disrupt our chemistry with those two on the squad, and TA's apparently a friend of his.
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But the REAL question Memphis' front office needs to answer before signing him, is Delonte West a "friend" of Tony Allen's mom?

BNM
 
Wanted to put this someplace because it cracked me up:

Mike Rice said:
2 things I can't figure out. Rasheed as an assistant coach & isiah Thomas as a candidate to head up the players union. Disaster waiting
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Boob-No-More said:
But the REAL question Memphis' front office needs to answer before signing him, is Delonte West a "friend" of Tony Allen's mom?

BNM
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Haha, maybe that's the strategy, not with TA but with Jerryd Bayless.

"Shit, Bayless picked up his player option!"

"Well maybe we could bring in Delonte West to bring his mom, and then he'll leave."

With that aside though, Mo Williams met with the Memphis brass tonight -

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/229177/Mo-Williams-To-Meet-With-Grizzlies-Monday-Night

Good sign... we're the wildcard in this situation, just because we're not on the level that Miami's at in terms of contending for a title, but we do have three things working for us -

1) More money
2) A day's drive from his hometown
3) Our assistant and head of player development, Lloyd Pierce, is a good friend of his that worked with him in Cleveland and developed a good relationship.

I just found out about #3 recently... hopefully that's enough to put us over the top, because we honestly haven't had a legitimate back-up PG since Greivis Vasquez. Giving him away for cheap was one of the dumbest things our management's done since doing the same with Kyle Lowry, and ever since, we've been so desperate that we've been pulling guys out of retirement like Arenas and Dooling, and actually playing them in important games. Having Mo Williams would really add so much stability to our rotation and take a lot of pressure off Conley. It could become a really underrated move that winds up helping us back to the WCF or better.
 
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You can't overlook the fact he will instantly be your best three point shooter as well. Something the grizz desperately need to open up the paint.

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Rhal said:
You can't overlook the fact he will instantly be your best three point shooter as well. Something the grizz desperately need to open up the paint.

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Yeah, no kidding. Mike Miller was a great signing, but who knows how much he can play?

I've heard people speculate that his "injuries" were sort of bullshit, and that he was ready to play all season, but the Heat shelved him as a sort of a hidden asset to whip out and fuck the other team's scouting reports up during NBA Finals, because the Heat could have really coasted to the Finals in the East with or without him.

That might seemed a little farfetched, but I can see some reality lining that theory.

If we can get both Williams and Miller on the roster though, that makes this a whole nother team, not to mention that we finally have a back-up center in Kosta Koufos.

I don't know why guys like KingSpeed would post shit that started with, "If we had the Grizzlies bench," because we've been pretty shallow for a while. We had depth in the frontcourt, but we only had one true center, one point guard, and no shooters. If this deal goes through, we'll have two true centers, two point guards, and two shooters.
 
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Yeah, no kidding. Mike Miller was a great signing, but who knows how much he can play?

I've heard people speculate that his "injuries" were sort of bullshit, and that he was ready to play all season, but the Heat shelved him as a sort of a hidden asset to whip out and fuck the other team's scouting reports up during NBA Finals, because the Heat could have really coasted to the Finals in the East with or without him.

That might seemed a little farfetched, but I can see some reality lining that theory.

If we can get both Williams and Miller on the roster though, that makes this a whole nother team, not to mention that we finally have a back-up center in Kosta Koufos.

I don't know why guys like KingSpeed would post shit that started with, "If we had the Grizzlies bench," because we've been pretty shallow for a while. We had depth in the frontcourt, but we only had one true center, one point guard, and no shooters. If this deal goes through, we'll have two true centers, two point guards, and two shooters.
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I know your stoked for miller but don't get your hopes up to high on him remaining healthy. Even if the heat were holding him out he has major back and shoulder problems and hasn't remained healthy for the last five years. If he can stay healthy for the playoffs is what matters and hopefully for you guys but he is just one hard hit from the back flairing up again. If you guys need him to play though he will play through intense pain.
As for talking about wanting the grizz bench, Blazer fans wanted any other teams bench last year. We had statistically the worst bench ever in the NBA last year and it of course led some of us to drool over a player who coupd and even avg 9 a game off the bench for us.

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Bayless would have been our best bench player last year. Speights and Arthur too probably. Our bench was worst in the league
 
Worst in league history. I'll have to dig it up, but I think we had for ~2000 minutes (~25mpg) players on the floor who were combined BELOW replacement value. As in, we might've had as much success putting Zags and HCP in instead of Ronnie and Nolan.
 
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I'm assuming these are all short term contracts for the big tank and rebuild. What a shitty way for Dirk to end his career.
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To be fair: if they were tanking, they wouldn't sign anybody. Dallas has actually been one of the few teams that has made signing mid-level players work consistently. Normally that's death (see Charlie Villenueva and Ben Gordon).
 
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To be fair: if they were tanking, they wouldn't sign anybody. Dallas has actually been one of the few teams that has made signing mid-level players work consistently. Normally that's death (see Charlie Villenueva and Ben Gordon).
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Don't they have to fill their roster with players, though? These players seem pretty crappy to me. Blair evidently chose Dallas because he was going to play big minutes there. If Blair is playing big minutes, then DAL is going to suck. Harris is a shadow of the player we was three years ago. I think it's going to be a brutal year in Cubanland.
 
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To be fair: if they were tanking, they wouldn't sign anybody. Dallas has actually been one of the few teams that has made signing mid-level players work consistently. Normally that's death (see Charlie Villenueva and Ben Gordon).
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Because DAL is signing mid-level players at mid-level prices. DET signed mid-level players and high-level prices.
 
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To be fair: if they were tanking, they wouldn't sign anybody. Dallas has actually been one of the few teams that has made signing mid-level players work consistently. Normally that's death (see Charlie Villenueva and Ben Gordon).
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Because DAL is signing mid-level players at mid-level prices. DET signed mid-level players and high-level prices.
 
maxiep said:
I'm assuming these are all short term contracts for the big tank and rebuild. What a shitty way for Dirk to end his career.
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They are going to have a very interesting mish-mash of vets. I have a feeling that by mid-season they are going to be viewed as the quintessential "should lose most games, but capable of beating anybody" team.
 
Bjennings to DET. Wow.

PG: Brandon Jennings
SG: Brandon Knight? or Caldwell-Pope, or Stuckey
SF: Josh Smith
PF: Greg Monroe
C: Andre Drummond

Is that a playoff team in the east? Mo Cheeks seems like a horrible pick to coach this group, but I guess we'll see.
 
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