OT 2019-2020 RipCityTwo FANTASY FOOTBALL

[trailblazer18]

On top of this with today's rules so heavily favoring offense I think the point system for defense is very strict. Why shouldn't a defensive TD or a return TD be worth the full 6 points? An average game of giving up 22 points and 350 yards shouldn't be negative, in my opinion, at worse it should be 0.

Obviously we can't change any point rules this year so I'm just starting the discussion for next year.

I agree the defensive scoring is quite strict/tough but it's just the defense, so ehh.

 

[hoopsjock]

On top of this with today's rules so heavily favoring offense I think the point system for defense is very strict. Why shouldn't a defensive TD or a return TD be worth the full 6 points? An average game of giving up 22 points and 350 yards shouldn't be negative, in my opinion, at worse it should be 0.

Obviously we can't change any point rules this year so I'm just starting the discussion for next year.

Last year the average points given up per game was 23.3 and yards given up were 352. That would result in negative points in this league.

 

[hoopsjock]

I agree the defensive scoring is quite strict/tough but it's just the defense, so ehh.

I don't mind it being strict to score a lot of points but there is nothing worse than getting a big negative score because of your defense.

 

[trailblazer18]

I don't mind it being strict to score a lot of points but there is nothing worse than getting a big negative score because of your defense.

I agree, especially when you lose because of it and could have won by simply not playing a defense.

 

[BonesJones]

On top of this with today's rules so heavily favoring offense I think the point system for defense is very strict. Why shouldn't a defensive TD or a return TD be worth the full 6 points? An average game of giving up 22 points and 350 yards shouldn't be negative, in my opinion, at worse it should be 0.

Obviously we can't change any point rules this year so I'm just starting the discussion for next year.

Just went with primarily standard scoring. I stated multiple times that you guys should let me know if there's anything I should bring up for discussion!

The only change we could possibly make is to defensive scoring if people were okay with it (because it shouldn't affect how defenses are valued), but probably not.

Also, an average defensive game usually involves the defense getting a turnover or two so that's an additional 2 to 4 points so I wouldn't say the average game is negative. Defenses are projected about the same as they were last year.

I'm sure everyone could find something about the league that they don't like.

 

[BonesJones]

I don't mind it being strict to score a lot of points but there is nothing worse than getting a big negative score because of your defense.

What's the difference between getting -5 and your opponent getting 5 compared to getting 0 and your opponent getting 10? Or are you complaining about the scale?

 

[BonesJones]

Yeah, it ended up not really mattering for me but still BS that I wasn't higher.

 

[BonesJones]

If y'all want, I could make the scoring for each defensive category outside of turnovers and TDs 2 points higher so there's less negative scores. This wouldn't have really any impact on value of defenses compared to other defenses. Should've been something that was brought up before the draft.

 

[hoopsjock]

What's the difference between getting -5 and your opponent getting 5 compared to getting 0 and your opponent getting 10? Or are you complaining about the scale?

Like I said, I'm just starting a discussion for next year.

In a PPR league I'm in favor of all TDs being worth 6 points including QB TDs, Defensive TDs, and Return TDs.

As for negative points I think it should have to be a truly bad performance to ever get negative in fantasy.

 

[hoopsjock]

If y'all want, I could make the scoring for each defensive category outside of turnovers and TDs 2 points higher so there's less negative scores. This wouldn't have really any impact on value of defenses compared to other defenses. Should've been something that was brought up before the draft.

Nah, let's keep it since people may have valued DSTs differently if the point system was different.

 

[hoopsjock]

What's the difference between getting -5 and your opponent getting 5 compared to getting 0 and your opponent getting 10? Or are you complaining about the scale?

Also, I'm not complaining just having a discussion.

 

[BonesJones]

Like I said, I'm just starting a discussion for next year.

In a PPR league I'm in favor of all TDs being worth 6 points including QB TDs, Defensive TDs, and Return TDs.

As for negative points I think it should have to be a truly bad performance to ever get negative in fantasy.

QB TDs being worth 6 makes them WAY too valuable. That'd mean a 1st round where they should be 5 or 6 QBs taken because the discrepancy is so much higher between them.

 

[BonesJones]

@BoBoBREWSKI ...

 

[hoopsjock]

QB TDs being worth 6 makes them WAY too valuable. That'd mean a 1st round where they should be 5 or 6 QBs taken because the discrepancy is so much higher between them.

No way, you're exaggerating a bit. There are a lot of decent QBs. The reason there aren't more taken earlier is because you can still get a decent one if you are say the 10th person to take one compared to if you don't take a RB and are left with scraps. Honestly though, if you're a good fantasy player you should want people to be dumb and take QBs early. Plus QB is the most important position in real football so it makes sense to me that it should be the highest position in fantasy.

 

[BonesJones]

No way, you're exaggerating a bit. There are a lot of decent QBs. The reason there aren't more taken earlier is because you can still get a decent one if you are say the 10th person to take one compared to if you don't take a RB and are left with scraps. Honestly though, if you're a good fantasy player you should want people to be dumb and take QBs early. Plus QB is the most important position in real football so it makes sense to me that it should be the highest position in fantasy.

Mahomes still would've had over 400 points with 4 point TDs last year. You're saying he should've had over 520 instead. It would've made QB extremely overpowered, and the QB position far too often would've decided games. 3 TD discrepancy between individual RBs/WRs is huge. For QBs, it's not. Yet that 3 TD discrepancy would've resulted in an extra 18 points...

This isn't real football, it's fantasy.

 

[Haakzilla]

Like I said, I'm just starting a discussion for next year.

In a PPR league I'm in favor of all TDs being worth 6 points including QB TDs, Defensive TDs, and Return TDs.

As for negative points I think it should have to be a truly bad performance to ever get negative in fantasy.

...agree on 6pts being a TD regardless of who or how it was scored (always and forever)!!

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I agree if Oregons receivers could catch they wouldve gotten 6 points for a TD! Im still bitter...

 

[hoopsjock]

Mahomes still would've had over 400 points with 4 point TDs last year. You're saying he should've had over 520 instead. It would've made QB extremely overpowered, and the QB position far too often would've decided games. 3 TD discrepancy between individual RBs/WRs is huge. For QBs, it's not. Yet that 3 TD discrepancy would've resulted in an extra 18 points...

This isn't real football, it's fantasy.

Well, Mahomes was the MVP of the NFL last year so yeah he should be worth a lot of points in fantasy, ha ha.

I'm not quite following you on the 3 TD thing. He threw 50 TDs so he would've been worth 100 more points last year. That's an average of 6.67 points in the 15 weeks of the game. Every other QB would've been less significant since he put up by far the best numbers.

If a QB sneaks in a 1 yard TD run it's worth more than throwing a 40 yd TD pass. That doesn't compute with me. PPR leagues are specifically designed to close the gap between positional players and QB. My other two leagues are not PPR and it's nowhere near as slanted as you make it seem. In fact QBs went in about the same positions they went in this league which makes your several would go in the first round comment not true.

 

[BonesJones]

Well, Mahomes was the MVP of the NFL last year so yeah he should be worth a lot of points in fantasy, ha ha.

I'm not quite following you on the 3 TD thing. He threw 50 TDs so he would've been worth 100 more points last year. That's an average of 6.67 points in the 15 weeks of the game. Every other QB would've been less significant since he put up by far the best numbers.

If a QB sneaks in a 1 yard TD run it's worth more than throwing a 40 yd TD pass. That doesn't compute with me. PPR leagues are specifically designed to close the gap between positional players and QB. My other two leagues are not PPR and it's nowhere near as slanted as you make it seem. In fact QBs went in about the same positions they went in this league which makes your several would go in the first round comment not true.

You're arguing TDs should be equal, so why not yards too?
He would've averaged 30 fantasy points per game. That's ridiculous. A 5-TD, 400 yard passing game shouldn't be worth 50-70 points. Passing stats are lowered to account for the volume of each. I will never make passing TDs 6 points. I've never heard of a league other than the one you mentioned make passing TDs worth 6 points.

 

[hoopsjock]

You're arguing TDs should be equal, so why not yards too?
He would've averaged 30 fantasy points per game. That's ridiculous. A 5-TD, 400 yard passing game shouldn't be worth 50-70 points. Passing stats are lowered to account for the volume of each. I will never make passing TDs 6 points. I've never heard of a league other than the one you mentioned make passing TDs worth 6 points.

5 TDs and 400 yards passing in a game would be worth 46 points so I'm not sure where you are getting possibly 70 from. I've heard of lesser TD leagues or all TD leagues so I'm not going to pretend like those don't exist but they are definitely rare. ESPN is the only site I know of that has 4 points as the standard.

 

[JDC]

6pt per passing TD makes the elite QB worth something.

Mahomes was an outlier last year and was very valuable, regardless of QB scoring format.

But when you look at QB 1 vs QB 12 in most years compared to RB/WR 1 vs RB/WR 30 (assuming 2 rb's, 2 wr's, 1 flex are started), 6pt per passing TD more accurately represents QB value within the position.

 

[hoopsjock]

You're arguing TDs should be equal, so why not yards too?
He would've averaged 30 fantasy points per game. That's ridiculous. A 5-TD, 400 yard passing game shouldn't be worth 50-70 points. Passing stats are lowered to account for the volume of each. I will never make passing TDs 6 points. I've never heard of a league other than the one you mentioned make passing TDs worth 6 points.

Mahomes also had a historic season so to focus on just him isn't really an accurate view on all QB's.

Aaron Rodgers only threw 25 TDs last year so he would've been worth 50 points more for the whole year. That's 3.33 points per game. Davante Adams had more points last year in our league than the QB throwing him the ball. With 6 points per TD Rodgers would've had 30 more points for the year than Adams but instead had 20 points less. To me that is "nerfing" the QB. It's totally fine that you disagree.

 

[BonesJones]

Mahomes also had a historic season so to focus on just him isn't really an accurate view on all QB's.

Aaron Rodgers only threw 25 TDs last year so he would've been worth 50 points more for the whole year. That's 3.33 points per game. Davante Adams had more points last year in our league than the QB throwing him the ball. With 6 points per TD Rodgers would've had 30 more points for the year than Adams but instead had 20 points less. To me that is "nerfing" the QB. It's totally fine that you disagree.

You're downplaying the difference while also trying to say its a big difference.

 

[BonesJones]

5 TDs and 400 yards passing in a game would be worth 46 points so I'm not sure where you are getting possibly 70 from. I've heard of lesser TD leagues or all TD leagues so I'm not going to pretend like those don't exist but they are definitely rare. ESPN is the only site I know of that has 4 points as the standard.

50 if we kept yardage the same
70 if we made it 1 point per 10 passing yards, which with your logic we should as well.

 

[BonesJones]

5 TDs and 400 yards passing in a game would be worth 46 points so I'm not sure where you are getting possibly 70 from. I've heard of lesser TD leagues or all TD leagues so I'm not going to pretend like those don't exist but they are definitely rare. ESPN is the only site I know of that has 4 points as the standard.

Yahoo and NFL.com do as well.

 

[hoopsjock]

50 if we kept yardage the same
70 if we made it 1 point per 10 passing yards, which with your logic we should as well.

Saying that TD's should be worth the same is not the same argument as yardage being equal.

 

[BonesJones]

Saying that TD's should be worth the same is not the same argument as yardage being equal.

Yes it is. A TD = a TD and 10 yards = 10 yards!

 

[hoopsjock]

Yes it is. A TD = a TD and 10 yards = 10 yards!

You're trying to change the discussion so that your point is more magnified.

 

[BonesJones]

You're trying to change the discussion so that your point is more magnified.

Nope. Im applying your logic in a way to show how silly it is.

We almost made it to opening night before you started complaining about the league! Maybe next year we can make it through week 1!

 

[hoopsjock]

Nope. Im applying your logic in a way to show how silly it is.

We almost made it to opening night ebfore you started complaining about the league! Maybe next year we can make it through week 1!

Dude, I'm not fucking complaining. You are once again turning this into something it's not.

Why do you have to make a discussion into some personal fucking big deal?