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blue9 said:
Well, it's not like they win with him anyway, so? How many winning seasons has he had? Two?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to trade for him. But, as with nearly all PFs, they are best suited to be a side kick rather than the...what do you call a side kick's superior?
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Whatever he is, there is no more perfect compliment to Lillard than Davis. He even fits well next to Nurk. Nurk doesn’t care about touches he’d more than happy to take on more responsibility in a facilitator role.
 
Woj makes a good point, why not trade for him for a run this year, if he still refuses to sign an extension this offseason trade him to the highest bidder. I understand you will get less back but it’s the price you pay for going for it this year.
 
There’s been some obvious players for Neil to pursue in the past year or two, but none more obvious than AD. It would be negligent of him to not offer up everyone on the roster not named Dame. Now if he offered up CJ, adding Nurk wouldn’t make much sense because all we’d be left with while trying to sell AD on staying is Dame. Nurk by himself wouldn’t be attractive enough for New Orleans and matching contracts would be tough anyway. So take Nurk off.

CJ and Collins is a great starting point. Most playoff teams don’t have an opener like that. We can shit on CJ all we want, but he’s a consistent 20ppg guy. His numbers with Dame out would also intrigue me if I were another team.

Just look at the numbers without Dame:

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And he’s still only 27, and under control. You add Zach, and a pick to that? You’re in a great position to acquire AD.
 
I feel like 2 seasons of being Championship contenders is worth the price of CJ/Zach/Pick for sure. If it doesn’t work we can recoup something(of lesser value) at next years deadline.
 
Scalma said:
Whatever he is, there is no more perfect compliment to Lillard than Davis. He even fits well next to Nurk. Nurk doesn’t care about touches he’d more than happy to take on more responsibility in a facilitator role.
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If healthy, I mostly agree. Although in an ideal world I'd much rather put the talent at SF (someone like PG) and then have someone in the mold of Haslem/Millsap at PF.
 
Nurk and AD are both plus passers. If we replaced CJ in the lineup with Layman could you imagine how many easy looks he’d get? It’d be like the layup line in warmups.

But if we added AD we’d also become a destination for buyout guys, so we could also add a Wes Matthews for example.

So many possibilities to make our team better. If Olshey doesn’t go all in on AD, then who the fuck would he ever go all in on?
 
blue9 said:
Well, it's not like they win with him anyway, so? How many winning seasons has he had? Two?
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to trade for him. But, as with nearly all PFs, he's best suited to be a side kick rather than the...what do you call a side kick's superior?
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An unidicted co-conspirator?
 
Remember when Chris Webber cried because he was being traded to Sacramento? He ended up falling in love with the Fans/City, take a chance Neil.
 
LayneStaley said:
Remember when Chris Webber cried because he was being traded to Sacramento? He ended up falling in love with the Fans/City, take a chance Neil.
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AD wants to go to a place where he can win rings. If we can deal for him and get to the WCF and the Lakers miss the it, maybe he can be our Paul George.
 
Scalma said:
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I think that is a little too ambitious to get both AD and Mirotic.

What about this:

Pelicans get CJ, Collins, Trent, 2019 Por 1st (Unprotected), and a 2019 Atl 2nd

Hawks get Solomon Hill, Nik Stauskas, 2021 Por 1st (lottery protected)

Blazers get AD, Lin, and Prince (TPE)

Atlanta gets their future 1st for taking on a bad contract. New Orleans gets out of Hill's contract as a tiny bit of extra incentive. Portland gets a guard and a wing to help cover CJ's loss in the lineup.
 
hoopsjock said:
I think that is a little too ambitious to get both AD and Mirotic.

What about this:

Pelicans get CJ, Collins, Trent, 2019 Por 1st (Unprotected), and a 2019 Atl 2nd

Hawks get Solomon Hill, Nik Stauskas, 2021 Por 1st (lottery protected)

Blazers get AD, Lin, and Prince (TPE)

Atlanta gets their future 1st for taking on a bad contract. New Orleans gets out of Hill's contract as a tiny bit of extra incentive. Portland gets a guard and a wing to help cover CJ's loss in the lineup.
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Is it really that ambitious? It’d essentially be CJ, Zach, and Simons for AD, and Aminus expiring (dash bird rights) and a first for Mirotic. Chicago had to take on Asik to get a first from New Orleans in the first place, so this is a step up imo
 
Scalma said:
Is it really that ambitious? It’d essentially be CJ, Zach, and Simons for AD, and Aminus expiring (dash bird rights) and a first for Mirotic. Chicago had to take on Asik to get a first from New Orleans in the first place, so this is a step up imo
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I think that 1st would have to be part of the AD side so you'd need another 1st for Mirotic (in my opinion).
 
hoopsjock said:
I think that 1st would have to be part of the AD side so you'd need another 1st for Mirotic (in my opinion).
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Ok then it’s CJ, Zach, and a first for AD and then Simons and Aminus expiring for Mirotic. Remember, there were quite a few publications that projected Simons as a lottery pick next year had he went to Louisville. He’s a better asset than most late firsts.
 
Scalma said:
Ok then it’s CJ, Zach, and a first for AD and then Simons and Aminus expiring for Mirotic. Remember, there were quite a few publications that projected Simons as a lottery pick next year had he went to Louisville. He’s a better asset than most late firsts.
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That may be true but once a player gets drafted and hasn't done anything in the NBA I just don't think he has the value of a 1st rounder right now. Plus I think he's still needed on the AD side even if he has the value you are saying he has.
 
hoopsjock said:
That may be true but once a player gets drafted and hasn't done anything in the NBA I just don't think he has the value of a 1st rounder right now..
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I disagree with this completely. Look at Olshey for example. He still targets players based on predraft evaluations.
 
It’s gonna be funny when AD is traded to LA and we trade for Love.
 
Scalma said:
I disagree with this completely. Look at Olshey for example. He still targets players based on predraft evaluations.
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Trying to find diamonds in the rough or players that once had promising talent for cheap is way different than those players having the same value as when they were drafted in a trade for a star.

For example, New Orleans currently has the 10th pick. Do you think they would trade it for Zach Collins because he was picked 10th a few years ago?
 
hoopsjock said:
Trying to find diamonds in the rough or players that once had promising talent for cheap is way different than those players having the same value as when they were drafted in a trade for a star.

For example, New Orleans currently has the 10th pick. Do you think they would trade it for Zach Collins because he was picked 10th a few years ago?
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Sure, if they liked Zach more than the guys projected to go in their range. But Zach isn’t quite the same as Simons. Simons hasn’t even played. Holding that against him, or devaluing him because of that, less than a year after he was selected, would be insanely stupid/shortsighted.
 
Since New Orleans is dumb, doesn't like to keep draft picks, and probably wants to stay somewhat competitive would it be wrong to want to trade CJ there after they trade AD somewhere else?

Something like Mirotic, Randle, 2019 1st, and 2019 2nd for CJ? Then we flip Randle to a 3rd team?
 
Scalma said:
Sure, if they liked Zach more than the guys projected to go in their range. But Zach isn’t quite the same as Simons. Simons hasn’t even played. Holding that against him, or devaluing him because of that, less than a year after he was selected, would be insanely stupid/shortsighted.
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I'm not holding it against him that he hasn't played. I just don't think a player who was picked late in the 1st round and hasn't played would still have the value of a 1st rounder (or more) in a trade like this. I'm not so sure we could get a 1st today for Simons in a trade.
 
I’ll say the same thing about the Pelicans as I did about the Bulls last year. Good for them if they get a first for Mirotic. If Chicago couldn’t get one last year without taking on money, why would New Orleans get one when the acquiring team would have even less control over him?
 
Scalma said:
I’ll say the same thing about the Pelicans as I did about the Bulls last year. Good for them if they get a first for Mirotic. If Chicago couldn’t get one last year without taking on money, why would New Orleans get one when the acquiring team would have even less control over him?
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I know Chicago took on money this year too, but they were also well below the salary floor last year which meant they were going to have to pay that money whether they took on salary or not.
 
hoopsjock said:
I know Chicago took on money this year too, but they were also well below the salary floor last year which meant they were going to have to pay that money whether they took on salary or not.
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The bulls are not only paying Asik this year, but next as well.

Good luck to the Pelicans getting a first for Mirotic without taking on money. It most likely isn’t gonna happen. Getting someone like Simons would be a miracle, and I wouldn’t do it in a vacuum. But if I knew we were also getting AD? Maybe.
 
Scalma said:
The bulls are not only paying Asik this year, but next as well.

Good luck to the Pelicans getting a first for Mirotic without taking on money. It most likely isn’t gonna happen. Getting someone like Simons would be a miracle, and I wouldn’t do it in a vacuum. But if I knew we were also getting AD? Maybe.
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Yeah, he had one of those partial-guaranteed contracts next year which made the money less than if we sent Leonard and a 1st over. If you think about it though trading Simons and a contract for Mirotic would have been exactly what it took last year too since Simons ended up being our 1st round pick. Despite what Olshey says I don't believe our Trade Exception was ever in play because of the tax. So it would've been something like Leonard, Vonleh, and our 1st (Simons) for Mirotic.
 
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