Politics 2020 Debate part 2

[Lanny]

Lanny, do you see him as really, having a chance to win the dem nomination?
He seems like a decent and very smart person, Im just notb sure most dems would see him winning the WH?

That's what they said about Obama.

 

[Lanny]

Stephen Helfer, a former library assistant at Harvard Law School, in a letter to the Cambridge Wicked Local, asserted that Warren failed to support library staff who faced layoffs in 2009[9]:

Cambridge —Senator-elect Elizabeth Warren says she is a “fighter” for moderate-income Americans (“Warren wins U.S. Senate seat,” CambridgeChronicle, Nov. 8). When given the opportunity to stand up for low-income employees at Harvard three years ago, however, where she has been a tenured professor for almost 20 years, Warren did nothing of the sort.

In 2009, at the depth of the recession, Harvard’s endowment, because of its high-risk investing, decreased 30 percent. The university proclaimed it needed to cut costs and warned low-paid staff of layoffs. Many on campus asked the administration to follow the example of institutions like Beth Israel hospital and request faculty and other high earners to take pay reductions as a means to save jobs.

Several employees at Harvard Law School circulated a petition asking all law school members, who could, to make such a sacrifice. Warren and her husband (also a Harvard Law professor) have combined yearly incomes in the $1 million range and she earned another $200,000 for work she called “part-time” in Washington. During this uneasy period when across campus staff feared for their livelihoods, Warren remained silent.

Harvard president Drew Faust — whose own salary is close to $1 million — and university administrators ignored requests for pay reductions. Ultimately 275 lower-income employees lost their jobs and many more were persuaded to retire. Harvard professors, ever fond of inveighing against “corporate greed” and voicing slogans like “shared sacrifice,” suffered no inconvenience.

Warren now vows to go to Washington to fight for the middle class. But, like so many academics, she is more adept at feathering her own nest than truly helping Americans in need.

–Stephen Helfer, Crawford Street

Helfer served as a library assistant at Harvard Law School for 22 years and retired in 2009.

How much did Trump do to help those people?

 

[Lanny]

The End of The American Dream of Home Ownership
The Deep State has been using healthcare as a weapon to bankrupt the middle class and has been the leading cause of repossessions of homes since 2010. The big banks have become big landlords through thousands of shell companies renting homes. But Trump's economy has nearly stopped them in their tracks. People are buying homes again, especially minorities who were formerly unemployed.

The Deep State's Hail Mary is socialized medicine. Everything they control they do so through the government or the media. This is huge for them and they will do whatever it takes including starting a race war to prevent Trump's re-election.

But are there really enough Ameerican citizens of voting age that are stupid enough to fall for it?

Justin Haskins: How much would 'Medicare-for-all' REALLY cost the middle class? The answer is shocking

By Justin Haskins | Fox News
2020 Democrats are 'losing everybody' with their unpopular policies, Sen. Rick Scott says

During the most recent round of Democratic presidential debates, nearly all the leading candidates reiterated their commitment to transition the U.S. health insurance industry to a "Medicare-for-All," government-run model. Some promised to do it more quickly than others, but in the end, the result would be the same: the federal government would control health care within a decade.

Single-payer health care systems are plagued by countless problems that should make them an unattractive option for lawmakers—including rationing, service shortages, and bureaucratic inefficiencies. But perhaps the question most important to many 2020 voters, especially those with full-time jobs, will be how Democrats plan to pay for a gargantuan government takeover of health care, one that would include paying for nearly all health care services, reproductive care, and even pharmaceuticals.

Many of the leading presidential candidates—from Bernie Sanders and Cory Booker to Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren—have repeatedly and adamantly denied their single-payer plans will raise health care costs for the middle class. In fact, they have promised it will save middle-income earners thousands of dollars.

However, my new analysis of the costs of single-payer health care, which is based on well-established existing studies from think tanks on both sides of the aisle, shows that tens of millions of American families would end up paying significantly more for health care under a model similar to the "Medicare-for-All" plan proposed by Sanders and endorsed or slightly modified by most of the other leading presidential candidates.

My analysis is straightforward. Using IRS data, I calculated how much in additional taxes each IRS income bracket would need to pay to cover the costs of "Medicare-for-all" in 2022, the first year of full implementation under the legislation previously proposed by Sanders. I assumed Democrats would require tax filers to cover roughly the same proportion of the costs for "Medicare-for-All" as they paid for total federal income tax revenues prior to the passage of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. I also assumed businesses would pay $400 billion in new taxes in the first year of implementation, a figure that’s in line with Sanders’ own estimates.

If "Medicare-for-All"’s total cost for the first 10 years is in line with projections produced by the American Action Forum, Mercatus Center, and Urban Institute—roughly $32 trillion to $38 trillion—I estimate 40 million to 60 million households would end up paying more in new taxes than they would receive in health care benefits. Millions of these households would lose more than $10,000 annually, even if it is assumed they would otherwise need to pay a full health insurance deductible and some out-of-pocket expenses under a private health insurance model.

Contrary to the claims made by the leading Democratic candidates, millions of middle-class earners would be hit particularly hard under "Medicare-for-All." For example, filers earning $50,000 to $75,000 would likely need to pay on average $7,773 to $9,171 more in new taxes. Those families earning $75,000 to $100,000 would pay $12,612 to $14,880 more. Most households with more than $100,000 income would pay close to or more than $20,000 in additional taxes.

In many cases, these costs far outweigh the projected average employee contribution for employer-provided health insurance—about $1,965 for individuals and $6,752 for families.

Although some proposals would offset these costs by imposing wealth taxes and additional business taxes not included in my analysis, I found that these would have a relatively small effect on the tax burden imposed on individuals and families. The wealthy and businesses simply do not have enough money to cover the massive costs of single-payer health care.

To illustrate this reality, consider the following: Even if the federal government were to confiscate every penny belonging to every single one of the richest 400 Americans—including billionaires like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos—it would only amount to less than $3 trillion, which is less than 10 percent of the cost of single-payer health care in the first 10 years alone, even under the most optimistic scenarios.

"Medicare-for-All" wouldn’t only create significant problems for the health care industry, it would financially decimate millions of middle-class households, many of whom already have access to health insurance plans they like.

So, why would Democrats support such a disastrous policy? The answer should be obvious to anyone who has been paying close attention to the Left’s array of recent radical policy proposals: because they are primarily concerned with increasing the power of the elites in Washington, D.C., not providing people with affordable health care.

Whatever the cost, you can't let people suffer with illness or physical problems and no health care. You wouldn't let you wife or children go without medical care. What makes you think that poor people are less deserving?

 

[Hoopguru]

That's what they said about Obama.

True, however Obama has that karesma and he was a great speaker. But the big thing is not sure your guy appeals to the black voter? Maybe he will buy the time the primary roles around?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

True, however Obama has that karesma and he was a great speaker. But the big thing is not sure your guy appeals to the black voter? Maybe he will buy the time the primary roles around?

My guess is and I hope this isnt racist if @SlyPokerDog or @dviss1 want I’ll delete it. I know very few Blacks who would vote for Trump (in fact I cant think of any that I know)As long as the democrat running isnt just as slimy, I think the majority of Black voters will vote for just about anyone not Trump.

 

[Hoopguru]

My guess is and I hope this isnt racist if @SlyPokerDog or @dviss1 want I’ll delete it. I know very few Blacks who would vote for Trump (in fact I cant think of any that I know)As long as the democrat running isnt just as slimy, I think the majority of Black voters will vote for just about anyone not Trump.

That could be true. Not sure the how the midwest and S/SE would break down though.

 

[barfo]

My guess is and I hope this isnt racist if @SlyPokerDog or @dviss1 want I’ll delete it. I know very few Blacks who would vote for Trump (in fact I cant think of any that I know)As long as the democrat running isnt just as slimy, I think the majority of Black voters will vote for just about anyone not Trump.

I agree with you that very few black people will end up voting for Trump. The bigger question is whether they'll turn out to vote for whoever he's running against. Same question applies to every other potential anti-Trump voting bloc, e.g. young people.

A separate but closely related question is whether a candidate can or should win the nomination without significant support from blacks (or any other sizable group).

2016 proves that some percentage of people will not vote for the 'lesser of two evils'. Unfortunately the supporters of evil will enthusiastically vote for the greater of two evils.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

 

[Lanny]

True, however Obama has that karesma and he was a great speaker. But the big thing is not sure your guy appeals to the black voter? Maybe he will buy the time the primary roles around?

Look, I'm sure there are all kinds of people that he doesn't appeal to but that doesn't affect how I view him other than I don't hold out much hope that he can get nominated the same as I didn't hold out much hope for Obama to get nominated in spite of his charisma.
As I said before, I think Biden has the best shot at getting nominated in spite of the fact that he's probably somewhere around my fifth pick. Fifth pick is still an excellent pick especially when I consider who his opponent will be in the general election.

 

[Lanny]

Why are you looking in a septic tank for a tootsie roll? Why are you even thinking about looking for a tootsie roll in a septic tank? What made you think of such a thing? Trump?

 

[Lanny]

That could be true. Not sure the how the midwest and S/SE would break down though.

I presume when you say mid West and South/South East you are referring to Blacks in those regions. In that case I am certain that Blacks will vote overwhelmingly against Trump which means for the Democratic candidate.
I don't expect the next election to be that close. I see even the Senate as being in play in the next election. The House? Will remain in Democratic hands perhaps even more so. This election is not going to go well for Republicans and they have only themselves to blame.
Had Republicans repudiated Trump I think they may have fared well in the next election, and you know what? I wouldn't have minded that much.

 

[Hoopguru]

I presume when you say mid West and South/South East you are referring to Blacks in those regions. In that case I am certain that Blacks will vote overwhelmingly against Trump which means for the Democratic candidate.
I don't expect the next election to be that close. I see even the Senate as being in play in the next election. The House? Will remain in Democratic hands perhaps even more so. This election is not going to go well for Republicans and they have only themselves to blame.
Had Republicans repudiated Trump I think they may have fared well in the next election, and you know what? I wouldn't have minded that much.

If they come with a candidate that is moderate/centrist mores than extreme left demo socialist I think you are 100% correct. But if Bernie Sanders gets the nomination I do not agree.
Maybe in 2024 the country will be ready to embrace the socialist way?

 

[Lanny]

If they come with a candidate that is moderate/centrist mores than extreme left demo socialist I think you are 100% correct. But if Bernie Sanders gets the nomination I do not agree.
Maybe in 2024 the country will be ready to embrace the socialist way?

No, the country is not ready for full throttled socialism but a degree of socialism, yes. e.g. Medicare, social security, welfare, medicaid, public school and snap. I see Bernie as being tempered by Congress.
However, Bernie is lower on my list than Biden, not that my list is all that important to most in here.

 

[Hoopguru]

No, the country is not ready for full throttled socialism but a degree of socialism, yes. e.g. Medicare, social security, welfare, medicaid, public school and snap. I see Bernie as being tempered by Congress.
However, Bernie is lower on my list than Biden, not that my list is all that important to most in here.

I am keeping an eye on Hickenb as he's to me has a nice balance and objective performance in his State.
I think he will reach out for bipartisan cooperation and support. I see him appealing to moderates if he gets chance to say in the race, which I doubt.

 

[Lanny]

I am keeping an eye on Hickenb as he's to me has a nice balance and objective performance in his State.
I think he will reach out for bipartisan cooperation and support. I see him appealing to moderates if he gets chance to say in the race, which I doubt.

He effectively has zero chance, not even as much chance as Yang.

 

[ehizzy3]

Anyone but Biden

 

[Lanny]

Anyone but Biden

Too late to object, the writing is on the wall.

 

[barfo]

Interesting data. Looks like Warren, who I thought had a good debate, had an excellent debate. And it looks like everyone hated John Delaney as much as I did



barfo

 

[Shaboid]

Honestly, if the Democratic party were smart and really wanted a shot at winning, they should have just marched Obama back out for the election.

 

[Hoopguru]

Interesting data. Looks like Warren, who I thought had a good debate, had an excellent debate. And it looks like everyone hated John Delaney as much as I did



barfo

Why isn't Harris included?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[barfo]

Why isn't Harris included?

You have to click on the graph to see all of it.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Interesting data. Looks like Warren, who I thought had a good debate, had an excellent debate. And it looks like everyone hated John Delaney as much as I did



barfo

Ha!
Delaney is rather dweeb, but he and Tulsi are about the only non communist. Well, I guess Joe isn't either but then he is trying.

 

[barfo]

Ha!
Delaney is rather dweeb, but he and Tulsi are about the only non communist. Well, I guess Joe isn't either but then he is trying.

Supposedly, russian bots are at work supporting Tulsi. Not to mention the neo-nazis. That probably explains why you and your fellow travelers seem to like her so much.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Supposedly, russian bots are at work supporting Tulsi. Not to mention the neo-nazis. That probably explains why you and your fellow travelers seem to like her so much.

barfo

 

[jonnyboy]

Supposedly, russian bots are at work supporting Tulsi. Not to mention the neo-nazis. That probably explains why you and your fellow travelers seem to like her so much.

barfo

Ah, I was waiting to see who here was going to bite on the new and unimproved Russia theory.

 

[barfo]

Here's the Nazi part.

It should go without saying, which means I have to say it: just because the Nazi's said they had a role doesn't mean they did; just because they claim to support her doesn't mean they actually do; nor does any of it mean that she welcomes their attention.

Here's the Russian part.

Similar disclaimers.

barfo

 

[jonnyboy]

Supposedly, russian bots are at work supporting Tulsi. Not to mention the neo-nazis. That probably explains why you and your fellow travelers seem to like her so much.

barfo

Here's the Nazi part.

It should go without saying, which means I have to say it: just because the Nazi's said they had a role doesn't mean they did; just because they claim to support her doesn't mean they actually do; nor does any of it mean that she welcomes their attention.

Here's the Russian part.

Similar disclaimers.

barfo

Translation: An outsider had a good debate performance and was the most searched candidate on google so the corporate media has brought out their attack dogs to protect the status quo.

 

[barfo]

Translation: An outsider had a good debate performance and was the most searched candidate on google so the corporate media has brought out their attack dogs to protect the status quo.

Maybe that's the translation. But I wonder why they'd attack her rather than any of the other outsiders that had a good debate performance? Yang, for instance, is much more of an outsider than a sitting US congressperson, and had arguably a better debate than Tulsi.

Also I don't see why the 'corporate media' would be threatened by a candidate polling at 1 or 2%, even if she did have a good debate. What's the threat, even if she were to win the presidency? Is she going to outlaw TV or something?

The most-searched part doesn't mean much - Marianne had a lot of searches too, and polls at 0%. It's more a function of lack of name recognition.

barfo

 

[Hoopguru]

You have to click on the graph to see all of it.

barfo

Gracias...commie pinko with syphlilis!