Game Thread 2022-23 Game #14 BLAZERS VS SPURS - NOVEMBER 15, 2022 - TUESDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) ROOT (1 Viewer)

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Yeah this feels like a loss

This game was over since the 1st quarter

The Blazers are earning a loss tonight.

This is sad

ya this aint our night

Down 6 with 6 minutes left. That’s mathematically impossible.

I’m turning the game off.

Spurs got this

I was telling folks at Moda tonight that ya'll be pussies.....
Nice to see I wasn't wrong. (this is just from 2 pages!!!)
You guys really need to toughen up.
48 minutes, boys.
 
Seriously. He hits a couple big shots down the stretch while Dame was struggling to help us win the game yet people STILL want to trade him.
It’s not because they hate him. It’s because Shaedon should start at Simons has value in trade market.
 
I was telling folks at Moda tonight that ya'll be pussies.....
Nice to see I wasn't wrong. (this is just from 2 pages!!!)
You guys really need to toughen up.
48 minutes, boys.
Calabro and Hurd were acting like we were done when the game was tied with 9-10 minutes to go.
 
yet it seems like half this board wants to trade Simons... go figure.

2 issues. First, not everyone is convinced Simons is a great complement to Dame. Second, when you compare Simons in his 5th season to Sharpe as a rookie, it is distressing how small the gap is. Every game Simons seems to have streaks where he looks like a rookie - bringing back the old complaints about his learning curve. I'll admit it...I believe that if they made Sharpe the starter now, by the end of the season we would be the better team for it.

Keep in mind I am saying this as someone who didn't want Sharpe and thought it would years before he was productive - if ever. It has been so long since we had a rookie who was actually good, I forgot what they should look like!
 
2 issues. First, not everyone is convinced Simons is a great complement to Dame. Second, when you compare Simons in his 5th season to Sharpe as a rookie, it is distressing how small the gap is. Every game Simons seems to have streaks where he looks like a rookie - bringing back the old complaints about his learning curve. I'll admit it...I believe that if they made Sharpe the starter now, by the end of the season we would be the better team for it.

Keep in mind I am saying this as someone who didn't want Sharpe and thought it would years before he was productive - if ever. It has been so long since we had a rookie who was actually good, I forgot what they should look like!
Yep. He’s really good. He scores so easily and is a better defender than Ant. It makes too much sense.
 
I felt like Sharpe definitely needed more than 22 minutes in this game. But is he really a better defender than Ant at this point? Certainly a better shot blocker, but it seems like his man blows by him at about the same frequency as Ant. I haven't looked at the stats, though. Still, that it's even close between a 19yo and Ant says a lot about both.

Lots of talk about Eubanks vs Nurk, but to me neither guy is playing in the 4th quarter if Winslow is healthy. I'd rather us take our chances on small ball to finish out this game, or really any game where Nurk isn't feeling it.

It felt like Ant was really stinking it up. Eye opening to look at the box score and see him with 23 on 7-16.

I really can't wait for Winslow to come back and Payton to play. Dame logged 40 minutes--he's not going to be fresh in the playoffs if this keeps up. With those two back, Dame will be able to sit while Payton slots into the point guard position on defense and Winslow takes over ball handling.

You can easily imagine how drastically it'll change the look of our team if it works. Teams will have to adjust everything on the fly as they go from facing Dame to an elite defense. It could really dictate the terms of the game.
 
Jerami Grant is getting more and more expensive
Exactly my thoughts. However, the $28m/yr deal that I saw someone thrown out there doesn’t sound as terrible. Slightly more than the Wiggins deal, and he deservedly should be making more than Wiggins. The glass-half full thought would be that we got a likely AS for only a 1st rounder in a few years that will likely be 25-30.
 
2 issues. First, not everyone is convinced Simons is a great complement to Dame. Second, when you compare Simons in his 5th season to Sharpe as a rookie, it is distressing how small the gap is. Every game Simons seems to have streaks where he looks like a rookie - bringing back the old complaints about his learning curve. I'll admit it...I believe that if they made Sharpe the starter now, by the end of the season we would be the better team for it.

Keep in mind I am saying this as someone who didn't want Sharpe and thought it would years before he was productive - if ever. It has been so long since we had a rookie who was actually good, I forgot what they should look like!
All those things can be true, and it still wouldn’t make sense to trade Ant right now. Unless Ant is in apart of a deal to bring in a player that is an AS or near AS player, or he brings in 2 or more 1st rounders, we shouldn’t just move him.

We have yet to try Starting Sharpe and using Ant as a 6th man. Sharpe also could be prone to getting cheap fouls starting against starters early, so we still need someone like Ant to be a high level scorer off the bench. Sharpe getting a 3rd foul in the 1st quarter off a Booker pump fake still sticks in my memory.

The earliest time to think about trading Ant should be in the offseason after seeing Dame and Ant in a playoff run together first.
 
All those things can be true, and it still wouldn’t make sense to trade Ant right now. Unless Ant is in apart of a deal to bring in a player that is an AS or near AS player, or he brings in 2 or more 1st rounders, we shouldn’t just move him.

We have yet to try Starting Sharpe and using Ant as a 6th man. Sharpe also could be prone to getting cheap fouls starting against starters early, so we still need someone like Ant to be a high level scorer off the bench. Sharpe getting a 3rd foul in the 1st quarter off a Booker pump fake still sticks in my memory.

I don't think most of us who want to look at trading Ant are looking for a fringe role player or some draft picks to replace him. Ideally it's a Jimmy Butler/Anunoby-type--someone who can play SG or SF who is bigger, defends well, can score (but maybe not as well as Ant)....they may force their way out because of dissatisfaction with the team or it may be their team just wants to tank/rebuild.

Ant put up 27+ points in 1/3 of his games last year. It's pretty easy seeing him as guy who can sell tickets on a team that's tanking.

The earliest time to think about trading Ant should be in the offseason after seeing Dame and Ant in a playoff run together first.

The timeline really depends on the player. Things can move quite quickly if the right player becomes dissatisfied, or a team feels like they could still be in the Wembanyama sweepstakes. It may be the best offer happens sooner than the summer. I'd be fine with trading Ant at the deadline if there's somebody out there who is a better fit next to Dame.
 
haters gonna hate.
C'mon. Nurk has always been hot and cold. This isn't just a one time thing. It sure isn't the first time we have said "he is injured".
I think he could have been better against Poeltl but we have seen him play like this a bunch of times.
 
I was telling folks at Moda tonight that ya'll be pussies.....
Nice to see I wasn't wrong. (this is just from 2 pages!!!)
You guys really need to toughen up.
48 minutes, boys.
Can you choose a different descriptor? A non anatomical word please.
 
I was telling folks at Moda tonight that ya'll be pussies.....
Nice to see I wasn't wrong. (this is just from 2 pages!!!)
You guys really need to toughen up.
48 minutes, boys.

Oh, you thought I was serious?
 
Eubanks got so many minutes tonight because we were gloating. "You cut this guy so you could throw a ton of money at Zach Collins! Nerny nerny nerny"
If they had Zach playing last night they win that game. Poeltl couldn't play 48 mins.
 
So...let's say we sent some folks to the Spurs' team hotel, stole Keldon Johnson out of his bed, and left Keon Johnson in his place. Call it operation Changling. Think they would notice?

Asking for a friend.
 
2 issues. First, not everyone is convinced Simons is a great complement to Dame. Second, when you compare Simons in his 5th season to Sharpe as a rookie, it is distressing how small the gap is. Every game Simons seems to have streaks where he looks like a rookie - bringing back the old complaints about his learning curve. I'll admit it...I believe that if they made Sharpe the starter now, by the end of the season we would be the better team for it.

Keep in mind I am saying this as someone who didn't want Sharpe and thought it would years before he was productive - if ever. It has been so long since we had a rookie who was actually good, I forgot what they should look like!


Ant is only what, 23? He had 1/2 a season as a starter on a tanking team and he played a different role than the one he plays now as a starter, for the first time in his career, for a winning team. He is too good, too smooth to dismiss that quickly, imho.

I am not saying that if an amazing deal is there he is untradeable, but he is certainly not someone you should actively pursue a trade for. You work with him and the team to get better, because he will. If anything, having Dame, Ant and Sharpe together is a great foundation for the present and the future.
 
Ant is only what, 23? He had 1/2 a season as a starter on a tanking team and he played a different role than the one he plays now as a starter, for the first time in his career, for a winning team. He is too good, too smooth to dismiss that quickly, imho.

I am not saying that if an amazing deal is there he is untradeable, but he is certainly not someone you should actively pursue a trade for. You work with him and the team to get better, because he will. If anything, having Dame, Ant and Sharpe together is a great foundation for the present and the future.

Agree. Like you said if he is included in a trade that gets us a difference maker then sure. But right now we are winning partly because of our depth. Ant is an excellent 3 pt shooter. You keep guys like that. What if Dame gets hurt for a month?

I think it is safe to say Sharpe will probably be a starter in the near future. (Like next year) But do we know what his best position is? How many minutes has he played this year at SG vs SF? Are his handles ready against the kind of pressure teams throw at guards? I am guessing he will be adequate but will he excel? I know there is often a small difference between the two positions, but it seems like we want Sharpe around the basket as much as possible. Isn't the SF position a little more conducive for that?
 
Like you said if he is included in a trade that gets us a difference maker then sure.
So many conversations about CJ were almost word for word with this statement.

Edit- Not saying you are wrong at all.
 
Ant is only what, 23? He had 1/2 a season as a starter on a tanking team and he played a different role than the one he plays now as a starter, for the first time in his career, for a winning team. He is too good, too smooth to dismiss that quickly, imho.

I am not saying that if an amazing deal is there he is untradeable, but he is certainly not someone you should actively pursue a trade for. You work with him and the team to get better, because he will. If anything, having Dame, Ant and Sharpe together is a great foundation for the present and the future.

I tend to agree with that. I've been saying since at least last season's trade deadline that the Blazers should at least have the patience to see how the Dame/Ant combo does for a full season. Last night's game was a good example for why. Both players struggled for most of the game, but down 6 with less than 5 minutes left, both players were instrumental in getting the win

4:41.0 - 106-102 D. Eubanks makes 2-pt layup from 2 ft (assist by D. Lillard)
4:21.0 - 106-104 A. Simons makes 2-pt layup from 1 ft (assist by D. Lillard)
3:57.0 - 106-106 D. Eubanks makes 2-pt hook shot from 1 ft (assist by D. Lillard)
3:57.0 - 106-107 D. Eubanks makes free throw 1 of 1
3:24.0 - 106-110 D. Lillard makes 3-pt jump shot from 32 ft (assist by J. Grant)
2:05.0 - 108-113 A. Simons makes 3-pt jump shot from 26 ft
0:28.0 - 110-116 A. Simons makes free throw 1 of 2
0:28.0 - 110-117 A. Simons makes free throw 2 of 2

maybe another player could plug into Ant's role and provide the same, but that's not guaranteed. Seems like in just about every game Ant seems cold from the three, then suddenly heats up, often at a critical time. There really is no compelling reason to search for a Simons trade at this point in time

So many conversations about CJ were almost word for word with this statement.

Edit- Not saying you are wrong at all.

yeah, that's the rub. The difference, hopefully, is that Olshey isn't around to insanely overrate Ant's value like he did with CJ

obviously, there are some reasons to be concerned that a Dame/Ant combo will repeat some of the major flaws of the Dame/CJ era. But there may be more reasons to not be concerned as there are to worry. To start with, Ant isn't the same player as CJ; Billups is not the same as Stotts; Cronin is not the same as Olshey.

now, it's possible that as Sharpe develops the Blazers will end up with a Monta Ellis/Klay Thompson situation. I think Sharpe would be far better as a full-time SG, even though the wing positions seem pretty interchangeable. If that happens, then Portland might need to decide if they want to pay Simons 25M/year to be a 6th man
 
You must've found a different feed, because if there's one word that describes Sean elliott to a T its "homerism".
He’s the worse!

SIDENOTE: On the way to the bathroom at halftime he was in line all by himself. Saw him, walked by and whispered,”You KNOW your heels were on the line” and kept walking,

God, I hope he heard me.
 

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