Game Thread 2022-23 Game #15 - BLAZERS VS NETS - NOVEMBER 17, 2022 - THURSDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) ROOT

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riverman said:
Billups didn't make anybody miss shots for 8 minutes after having a lead at the end of this game......players don't make shots, you lose the game...simple.
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Even more so when that players name is Damian Lillard. If you lose the game with Dame taking a shot it's not a bad loss.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Certainly lost control of Nurk. Kind of reminds me of a time when Stotts said something about Nurk going "rogue sometimes". I can't Blame dame for trying to get a shot to fall. If he makes a couple those layins that he quite often does, this is a different game. We all know he can hit some of those threes. Two of his 3's were decent looks.
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I can understand giving Dame the benefit of the doubt, but what is he doing with Simons? Why did Simons get 20 shots and Sharpe only 9 (and fewer minutes) when Sharpe was playing better? Why was Simons out there on a play where the team desperately needed a defensive stop?
 
oldmangrouch said:
I can understand giving Dame the benefit of the doubt, but what is he doing with Simons? Why did Simons get 20 shots and Sharpe only 9 (and fewer minutes) when Sharpe was playing better? Why was Simons out there on a play where the team desperately needed a defensive stop?
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The question is starting to get asked. Long season. Maybe Chauncey is right in sticking with his starting unit for the time being?
I sure would like to be in on the coaches meeting this morning.
 
Mr. Robot said:
nurk is trying to win, but he cant do it with these cats
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Nurk misses two bunnies for 4 points. Turns the ball over for an uncontested 3 and misses 2 free throws during an 8 minute stretch that the Blazers sorely needed a basket but of course the rest of the team isn’t good enough to play with Nurk.
 
oldmangrouch said:
I can understand giving Dame the benefit of the doubt, but what is he doing with Simons? Why did Simons get 20 shots and Sharpe only 9 (and fewer minutes) when Sharpe was playing better? Why was Simons out there on a play where the team desperately needed a defensive stop?
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Because Gary Payton is still injured?
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Nurk misses two bunnies for 4 points. Turns the ball over for an uncontested 3 and misses 2 free throws during an 8 minute stretch that the Blazers sorely needed a basket but of course the rest of the team isn’t good enough to play with Nurk.
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A. Should have shot more free throws. B. Was integral to stops we got at the rim down the stretch. C. Would have sealed the win with a rebound if he was left in. D. We had a chance because of his and 1.
 
HailBlazers said:
A. Should have shot more free throws. B. Was integral to stops we got at the rim down the stretch. C. Would have sealed the win with a rebound if he was left in. D. We had a chance because of his and 1.
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Can't argue with any of that. Just the statement that the rest of the team is holding him back seems a bit nefarious?
 
Offense lost this game, imho. As much fun as this team is at defense, their offense is a bit clunky. The NBA had the 2016 Blazers Warriors game where Dame went off for 51 points on youtube yesterday and I watched part of it. Say what you want about that team, their offense with multiple weaves to open people were beautiful - they were not bogged down on offense as the current team can get.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Nurk misses two bunnies for 4 points. Turns the ball over for an uncontested 3 and misses 2 free throws during an 8 minute stretch that the Blazers sorely needed a basket but of course the rest of the team isn’t good enough to play with Nurk.
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is nurk more to blame cause he fucked up in the 4th quarter, than other players who fucked up throughout the match

if nurk fucked up, but the rest of the team played well, then yes, you could rightfully put blame on nurk, but if all of them (except sharpe) fucked up, theres no point in putting blame on nurk just cause he did it late in the game

nurk gets so much blame/hate cause he misses easy shots and thats all people see, they dont see defense, rebounding, assists, screens, all good things he does, cause people are so focused on those misses, its crazy
 
Sometimes the bad guys win.

If the bad guys always lost, they wouldn't be bad guys, they'd be losers.
 
Mr. Robot said:
is nurk more to blame cause he fucked up in the 4th quarter, than other players who fucked up throughout the match

if nurk fucked up, but the rest of the team played well, then yes, you could rightfully put blame on nurk, but if all of them (except sharpe) fucked up, theres no point in putting blame on nurk just cause he did it late in the game

nurk gets so much blame/hate cause he misses easy shots and thats all people see, they dont see defense, rebounding, assists, screens, all good things he does, cause people are so focused on those misses, its crazy
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You just changed your tune. Not at all what you implied in the other post at all.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
The Blazers are terrible at this? You watch that game for the last 3 minutes and the Nets are absolutely glued to our guys sitting in the corners. The one thing they were absolutely not giving up was a corner three.
Meanwhile the Blazers give up multiple open looks from the corner.
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Portland does give up the 4th highest rate of corner three's in the league at 26% of opponent attempts....

BUT, Blazers rank 6th in the NBA is opponent corner 3 conversion rate at 34.6%. That's actually lower than their overall opponent conversion rate of 35.2% (which ranks 13th). I'm not going to go deep-stats-digging on this but it looks like the Blazers are one of only 6 teams that hold opponents to a lower corner three percentage than overall three percentage. So, perception might not be reality, at least not till Watanabe
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it's interesting looking at where the Blazers rank in opponent conversion rates from the shooting zones; outside-->in:

3pt - 13th
16'-->3pt - 3rd
10-->16' - 2nd
3-->10' - 5th
0-->3' - 23rd

that sure seems to show that Portland's biggest defensive weakness is at the rim, by far. That's even more compelling when you factor in that the Blazers give up the 3rd highest rate of at-the-rim shots in the league at 25.7%. So then, opponents are getting to the basket at an alarming rate and when they get there, they are converting at a high rate. Portland is also 27th in blocks

in any event, I'd say Portland's defensive weakness isn't corner three's, it's their rim protection defense.

I'm not sure why....probably a lot of factors. Allowing too much penetration; overuse of the zone defense; lack of length: some poor rotations. Another factor: Nurkic is a decent interior defender but he's not a strong rim protector. Eubanks actually has a higher blocked shot rate than Nurkic. Nurkic has a better defensive rating but Eubanks has a better DBPM. Obviously, rotations are part of this, but the questions about Portland's big man rotation aren't going away
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one last thing: in the see-I-told-you-it-could-be-done department: As expected, Dame & Ant are last on the team in defensive rating and DBPM. Yet, Portland is 7th in the league in defense. The back court is a defensive weakness, but it doesn't have to consign the Blazers to the bottom 3 in defense
 
Sort of inexcusable for Billups to have Ant in on a defensive possession. He immediately got burned and O’Neal tipped it in. Horrible decision by Chauncey. Cost us the game.

Also not the first time he leaves Ant and Dame in together on big defensive possessions. He needs to learn that when it’s a defense only posession after a timeout, you put your best defenders in, not your starters.
 
Mr. Robot said:
is nurk more to blame cause he fucked up in the 4th quarter, than other players who fucked up throughout the match

if nurk fucked up, but the rest of the team played well, then yes, you could rightfully put blame on nurk, but if all of them (except sharpe) fucked up, theres no point in putting blame on nurk just cause he did it late in the game

nurk gets so much blame/hate cause he misses easy shots and thats all people see, they dont see defense, rebounding, assists, screens, all good things he does, cause people are so focused on those misses, its crazy
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But, he's not doing those things consistently and he is killing us out there because he's slow and he can't make a shot or free throw.

I'd rather have Eubanks out there.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
You just changed your tune. Not at all what you implied in the other post at all.
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raw
 
Freshtown said:
Sort of inexcusable for Billups to have Ant in on a defensive possession. He immediately got burned and O’Neal tipped it in. Horrible decision by Chauncey. Cost us the game.

Also not the first time he leaves Ant and Dame in together on big defensive possessions. He needs to learn that when it’s a defense only posession after a timeout, you put your best defenders in, not your starters.
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yeah, I agree

you can kind of, a little, justify Dame on the floor because he's hard to post up and if there is a transition opportunity he makes good decisions. But it should have been somebody like Little defending O'Neal rather than Ant. You can see him fall asleep on where O'Neal was then fail to box out.
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah, I agree

you can kind of, a little, justify Dame on the floor because he's hard to post up and if there is a transition opportunity he makes good decisions. But it should have been somebody like Little defending O'Neal rather than Ant. You can see him fall asleep on where O'Neal was then fail to box out.
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hard to understand why, but quite a few stats make Nas out to be our worst defender this season.

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This is the kinda situation where GP2 should help us.

Another shocking thing is how good Shaedon already is for us.
 
Chris Craig said:
But, he's not doing those things consistently and he is killing us out there because he's slow and he can't make a shot or free throw.

I'd rather have Eubanks out there.
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- nurk has always had problems with consistency (some of it due to his head, some of it due to injuries, as he misses time and then needs time to get in rhythm)

- nurk free throws are 80% this season (is that bad for a center)

- leg break has damaged him permanently (speed), thats not something he can improve and hes lucky to even play in the nba after that, leg breaks and other injuries have ruined many careers

but lets not talk like hes unplayable (like demarcus cousins)

ps of course, first it was kanter, then it was whiteside and now its eubanks... cant wait to see who will be the next one thats better than nurk

whiteside was and eubanks is on minimum contract, kanter is not even in the league (some of it due to his off court stuff, but he was also on a minimum contract or little more than that) and nurk got $70 mil
 
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I would have liked to seen Nas or Trendon in on that last defensive play over Ant just for the rebounding. It came down to Dame and Ant not being able to prevent O'neale from getting that put back. If Nas or Trendon are there instead of Ant there is a better chance of him getting the board or at least preventing the put back.
 
Haakzilla said:
...time to start posting the the post-game interviews! I'd also like to know why Sharpe only played 21mins and barely had a chance to do anything in the 2nd half :dunno:
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chauncey talked about it postgame. sounds like Shaedon doesn't exactly know where to be/what to do on certain plays, and it's affecting the other 4 guys on the team. Says his timing is off because he doesn't know the plays from all positions yet which will help him. As far as the 2nd half, he said Nets made an adjustment on him but Sharpe didn't counter.

 
Haakzilla said:
...time to start posting the the post-game interviews! I'd also like to know why Sharpe only played 21mins and barely had a chance to do anything in the 2nd half :dunno:
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Nobody can buy a bucket? Let's keep our only guy who is actually shooting well on the bench!
 
I'm glad I didn't watch this game lol. Missed both this and the Grizzlies game and we lost both so at least I'm missing the right ones....
 
illmatic99 said:
chauncey talked about it postgame. sounds like Shaedon doesn't exactly know where to be/what to do on certain plays, and it's affecting the other 4 guys on the team.

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Yeah..... that's the missing component and I don't have an opinion yet. He's a quiet guy. The problem is that you can have all the talent in the world, but it's the BBIQ that really separates that good from the great. MJ and Kobe and LeBron are all students of the game. They can break down plays and explain exactly what's happening. Listening to Kobe or LeBron talk about the game is a masterclass on basketball IQ.

Meanwhile, a guy like Travis Outlaw had a lot of raw talent (obviously nowhere near as good as Sharpe), but he had a 10c brain. So did Thomas Robinson. Sometimes being good just isn't enough. I'm really hoping that Sharpe is a student of the game, but he's so quiet and reserved that it's hard to tell just from the short interviews that he has done. Jabari on the other hand is clearly a student of the game. I love listening to that kid talk.
 
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