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Natebishop3 said:
It's all gonna hinge on how ready Shaedon is.

If the guy is ready to step in and get minutes right away, and he very well might be, then we're going to have a hard time finding minutes for all these dudes.
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My sincere hope is they find a way to successfully limit Dame's minutes.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I'm no Salary Cap expert, but here's my swing:

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Estimating Nurk and Simons get signed for around $18M/yr each. Assuming Bledsoe gets cut before 7/10/22. Assuming Jabari Walker gets signed to a minimum full time roster spot.

If the Blazers use the full MLE, that puts them at $152M. About $30M over the Cap with 14 players signed.

With the remaining roster spot, they would have the BAE at $4M to use, along with the TPE of $6.5M from the Covington trade.

Not a lot of wiggle room there. I'm curious how Cronin is going to play this....
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This is an outstanding post, thank you for compiling all of that. I'm really hoping Nurk and Simons sign for less than $18 million each, and maybe there will be room to sign a back-up post player in addition to Eubanks for when Nurk gets injured again, which seems very likely. Another PG would also be nice, but maybe they can plug one of the plethora of shooting guards into that role. Cronin promised he would be going after a high-level free agent, but given the cap situation, it seems like Grant is all we can expect. Hopefully he works out.
 
Think this has been asked before but i didnt see the response.

Can we retain the 30 mil capholds for Nurk and Ant, finish our business with the MLE, and THEN sign our own guys to bigger deals that put us in the tax? Can we open our non tax MLE with simply an order of operations change?

Im still unclear on when we lose the full MLE
 
The fellas on Rip City Radio were talking about some potential moves that could be made. They were just throwing out some fun stuff that actually would be pretty cool. With Collins and OG not happening, they brought up the idea of acquiring Gordon Hayward & PJ Washington from the Hornets. A line up of Nurk, Grant, Hayward, Ant, & Dame is pretty cool. A bench with Hart, Nas, Washington, and say Hartenstein is pretty boss. Gordon's only deal is can he stay healthy. But he is a good player. I found this intriguing.
 
illmatic99 said:
Think this has been asked before but i didnt see the response.

Can we retain the 30 mil capholds for Nurk and Ant, finish our business with the MLE, and THEN sign our own guys to bigger deals that put us in the tax? Can we open our non tax MLE with simply an order of operations change?

Im still unclear on when we lose the full MLE
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My understanding:

We can use the full MLE either before or after re-signing Ant/Nurk--there is no difference. Only thing that matters with regard to full (non-tax) MLE is total salary with regard to the tax apron (153.6M). Exceptions don't factor into that calculation--cap hits only. If we use the NTMLE first, we simply can't cross the apron when re-signing Nurk and Ant. Theoretically, that could put us in a situation where Ant signs an offer sheet with another team that we can't match... unlikely, but possible.
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
My understanding:

We can use the full MLE either before or after re-signing Ant/Nurk--there is no difference. Only thing that matters with regard to full (non-tax) MLE is total salary with regard to the tax apron (153.6M). Exceptions don't factor into that calculation--cap hits only. If we use the NTMLE first, we simply can't cross the apron when re-signing Nurk and Ant. Theoretically, that could put us in a situation where Ant signs an offer sheet with another team that we can't match... unlikely, but possible.
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Thanks
 
illmatic99 said:
Think this has been asked before but i didnt see the response.

Can we retain the 30 mil capholds for Nurk and Ant, finish our business with the MLE, and THEN sign our own guys to bigger deals that put us in the tax? Can we open our non tax MLE with simply an order of operations change?

Im still unclear on when we lose the full MLE
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Yes we can do that. Using the full MLE hard caps us, so as long as we are below that we are fine. Cap holds don't affect the hard cap.

However it seems to me if we are hard capped might as well try to stay out of the luxury tax.
 
If the Blazers are going to try and stay under the luxury tax, use the full MLE to grab a decent FA, and sign a vet minimum, then it looks to me like they have $30.9M to spend on both Simons and Nurk.

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Can we retain Simons for about $18M, and Nurk for about $13M? Are we going to have to accept we're going into the Luxury Tax this year?

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42N8Bounce said:
If the Blazers are going to try and stay under the luxury tax, use the full MLE to grab a decent FA, and sign a vet minimum, then it looks to me like they have $30.9M to spend on both Simons and Nurk.

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Can we retain Simons for about $18M, and Nurk for about $13M? Are we going to have to accept we're going into the Luxury Tax this year?

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Nurk is only worth 10-12/year so I hope so. He probably views his value higher than that. Middling centers just aren't worth a whole lot in todays game. He was born in the wrong era.
 
HailBlazers said:
Whatever his market value is I'm sick of people regarding Nurk as "meddling." He's top 10-11.
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I don't have any problem with saying he is top 10-15. He just isn't a game changer or elite. Non-elite centers aren't worth big money.

I'd take Gobert, Jokic, Embiid, Ayton, Adebayo, Valenciunas, Allen, Vucevic, KAT over him.

Then you get into the Adams, Williams, Capela, Nurkic, Looney, Turner group.
 
42N8Bounce said:
If the Blazers are going to try and stay under the luxury tax, use the full MLE to grab a decent FA, and sign a vet minimum, then it looks to me like they have $30.9M to spend on both Simons and Nurk.

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Can we retain Simons for about $18M, and Nurk for about $13M? Are we going to have to accept we're going into the Luxury Tax this year?

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I think Nurks actual number is going to surprise some people (in a bad way).
 
42N8Bounce said:
If the Blazers are going to try and stay under the luxury tax, use the full MLE to grab a decent FA, and sign a vet minimum, then it looks to me like they have $30.9M to spend on both Simons and Nurk.

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Can we retain Simons for about $18M, and Nurk for about $13M? Are we going to have to accept we're going into the Luxury Tax this year?

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I think it is unlikely that their yearly averages are that low, but I think it is potentially reasonable that their first-year numbers come in under 31 mil.

I certainly hope the Blazers are willing to go into the tax if the right opportunity presents itself, but if it doesn't, I certainly understand the appeal of staying under for a second consecutive year (which would really free us to spend a ton the following two years). If we are going into the tax, make it worth it.
 
In the 52 years of Blazer seasons, they've had 16 PER leaders. Last year Nurk made the list -

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With Dame sitting out much of the year, Nurk's 20.0 PER in 56 games lead the team. Dame dropped down to 18.5 PER in 29 games.

With the MLE at $10.3M, not a lot of teams will have the CAP space to offer him much more than that. We don't want to compete against ourselves. With him making $12M/yr last year, my guess is he gets around $13M/yr.
 
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HailBlazers said:
Oh but he "isn't a game changer." Top notch work per usual!
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I didn't know PER is end all be all. Guess if we want to go there Hassan Whiteside is better than Nurk.

He is what he is. A 10-15ish center for the most useless position in the NBA today. He is a fine player. Not elite.

I wish he could move a little better and we had some more athleticism from that position.
 
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Still a lot of SG and non-starter quality forwards. As of now, guys like Hart/Sharpe, will likely have to play up and that is just not putting them in their best position.

Keon, Didi, GB3, Walker, likely aren't playable unless it's a blowout and Shae will have his growing pains.
Still work to do.
 
TBpup said:
Still a lot of SG and non-starter quality forwards. As of now, guys like Hart/Sharpe, will likely have to play up and that is just not putting them in their best position.

Keon, Didi, GB3, Walker, likely aren't playable unless it's a blowout and Shae will have his growing pains.
Still work to do.
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sounds like trading hart, keon and some picks for a starting caliber PF or SF is the move here?
 
illmatic99 said:
sounds like trading hart, keon and some picks for a starting caliber PF or SF is the move here?
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Still working on things. The Draft picks, are still on sketchy because of the protections Neil put on the pick owed to Chicago. His shadow still hangs over the franchise till that pick conveys and Andrew Nicholson if FINALLY gone.
 
Some consolidation thoughts, just based on salary combos:

- Combining Hart and Keon gets you to about 15.5 mil, and we can take back 19.3 mil in return.

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- Hart + Keon + Winslow gets you to almost a 25 mil player in return.

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- Hart + Bledsoe + Keon gets you a 43 mil player in return.

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How do y'all feel about a Hart + Keon for Barnes trade?

HB would be the definitive starter at SF for us while also opening up a consistent 15-20 mpg for Sharpe. Kinda think Sac would also be open to this idea.
 
illmatic99 said:
How do y'all feel about a Hart + Keon for Barnes trade?

HB would be the definitive starter at SF for us while also opening up a consistent 15-20 mpg for Sharpe. Kinda think Sac would also be open to this idea.
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I'm totally open to trading Keon at this point, but I hate giving up Hart. Honestly, I just really don't see Dame/Ant working out and that means that one or the other needs to go. I don't think the team is going to move Dame unless he asks to be moved, so that means Ant is out. If we do end up needing to trade Ant, I want to have Hart as the stopgap until Sharpe hopefully is ready to start.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm totally open to trading Keon at this point, but I hate giving up Hart. Honestly, I just really don't see Dame/Ant working out and that means that one or the other needs to go. I don't think the team is going to move Dame unless he asks to be moved, so that means Ant is out. If we do end up needing to trade Ant, I want to have Hart as the stopgap until Sharpe hopefully is ready to start.
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Barnes is a better talent than Hart, and fits a positional need for us, and he's a ~40% shooter from 3 on volume. I think his impact is undervalued on shit teams, but would be terrific on a talented one.
 
illmatic99 said:
Barnes is a better talent than Hart, and fits a positional need for us, and he's a ~40% shooter from 3 on volume. I think his impact is undervalued on shit teams, but would be terrific on a talented one.
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Yeah, I guess Little could always slide over to shooting guard as well.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm totally open to trading Keon at this point, but I hate giving up Hart. Honestly, I just really don't see Dame/Ant working out and that means that one or the other needs to go. I don't think the team is going to move Dame unless he asks to be moved, so that means Ant is out. If we do end up needing to trade Ant, I want to have Hart as the stopgap until Sharpe hopefully is ready to start.
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Don't we want to cut Dame's minutes? I see no problem with a Dame, Hart, Ant rotation. I say give it a year to see how it works and to see how SS develops.
 
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