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Natebishop3 said:
I don't think he's a bad asset at all. I consider him to be a luxury that we can't afford right now (because I don't think Dame is staying.)
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That's still a possibility. We will see soon.
 
Chris Craig said:
We just gave both Badji and Butler QO's. Not sure what the plan is there. Looking to go young?
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Every action Joe takes (again with the exception of trading for Jerami) says youth rebuild but his words continue to say build a winner around Dame and usually he says as soon as we possibly can. Fuck, after the draft he said he'd be looking to push all of his chips in on a big deal right now. I'd be very pleasantly surprised if we made a big deal.

I wouldn't be surprised either way with Dame either asking out if we do nothing or him staying. Hopefully if Dame does stay after we do nothing he doesn't continue to try and pressure our front office through the media. I think some negotiators wouldn't allow that to hamstring them but I don't think Joe is aggressive enough to overcome it.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Hart is a player that someone like PHX would die to have as the 6th man but even if Dame does stay, it is hard to justify his rumored contract (4 x 20) in this new CBA marketplace. Man things are messed up.
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I think it's a better idea to keep your salary numbers low until we fully acclimate to the new CBA. Get young guys. Hopefully sign smaller deals. Etc
 
B-Roy said:
No they just want to believe we "never had a shot" because his wife wanted to be in New York.

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or maybe, and I know this is a radical idea...Cronin actually had discussions with Hart since he was in the position to do so, and got a good sense of what Hart was inclined to do...and acted accordingly. Of course that won't fit the 'Cronin is a total fucking idiot' narrative

that said I'd rather have Hart at 18M than Ant at 18M. Ant at 25M....ouch
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's not a bad trade if we never thought that we could realistically build a contender around Dame.

Hart is going to be a highly paid role player. That's fine if you're a good team, but we are not a good team.

We got #23 and we got Thybulle out of the deal. Thybulle is a better defender than Josh.
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Yes its good if were rebuilding, in that sense I like #23 more than Hart. But then we should've got Duren instead of Grant. We should have signed anybody or nobody instead of GP2.

Trading Hart for 23 is very bad if we want talent to win with Dame this next season. If we add Green or even just Cam Johnson it'll be bad to not have a proven two way player like Hart instead of 23.

Blazers have so many moves the last two years that fit into only one bucket short term or only one bucket long term. This two timelines thing is losing out on good moves available from going the other direction. Blazers need to do one direction all the way or the other.

Maybe they made that decision and we'll see Dame request a trade next week.

If we do crap like overpay Grand and have Dame walk and other continuations of these suboptimal split decisions I'm going to be furious though.
 
B-Roy said:
Yep.

I can understand if you don't think Josh Hart is worth 18M per year. I disagree, but I understand.

But don't hold on to the false narrative that he "never would have re-signed".
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so now, unlikely = never?
 
blazerkor said:
Every action Joe takes (again with the exception of trading for Jerami) says youth rebuild but his words continue to say build a winner around Dame and usually he says as soon as we possibly can. Fuck, after the draft he said he'd be looking to push all of his chips in on a big deal right now. I'd be very pleasantly surprised if we made a big deal.

I wouldn't be surprised either way with Dame either asking out if we do nothing or him staying. Hopefully if Dame does stay after we do nothing he doesn't continue to try and pressure our front office through the media. I think some negotiators wouldn't allow that to hamstring them but I don't think Joe is aggressive enough to overcome it.
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It's possible he is pushing them all in and it's just that nobody likes our chips...in a big trade that would net us a player that keeps Dame here.

I guess it would be foolish if he wasn't prepared for the possibility for Dame leaving. And it does seem he is preparing for that.

The Blazers will try to land some vets and keep Lillard here, doesn't mean they will be successful. Dame will have a choice to make. He might still even then decide to stay. We don't know.
 
wizenheimer said:
or maybe, and I know this is a radical idea...Cronin actually had discussions with Hart since he was in the position to do so, and got a good sense of what Hart was inclined to do...and acted accordingly. Of course that won't fit the 'Cronin is a total fucking idiot' narrative

that said I'd rather have Hart at 18M than Ant at 18M. Ant at 25M....ouch
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This is MY OPINION, but from reading the tea leaves, having Hart at 18M and Ant at 25M is non-tenable. That is 137M (basically the salary cap) for just 5 players Ant/Dame/Hart/Grant/Nurk - who aren't even good enough to be a play in team. That I agree with. They chose to keep Ant over Hart - that's why I think they made the trade.

I'm going to continue being salty we shipped Hart off instead of looking for deals for Ant around the trade deadline.

No way they could have known they would be in a position to draft Scoot at the time.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Yes its good if were rebuilding, in that sense I like #23 more than Hart. But then we should've got Duren instead of Grant. We should have signed anybody or nobody instead of GP2.

Trading Hart for 23 is very bad if we want talent to win with Dame this next season. If we add Green or even just Cam Johnson it'll be bad to not have a proven two way player like Hart instead of 23.

Blazers have so many moves the last two years that fit into only one bucket short term or only one bucket long term. This two timelines thing is losing out on good moves available from going the other direction. Blazers need to do one direction all the way or the other.

Maybe they made that decision and we'll see Dame request a trade next week.

If we do crap like overpay Grand and have Dame walk and other continuations of these suboptimal split decisions I'm going to be furious though.
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But it wasn't just #23.

It was Hart for #23, Thybulle, and Reddish. We are opting not to retain Reddish (unless he signs for a lot less), but Thybulle is an All-Defense caliber player. You guys are acting like all we got was a rookie.
 
blazerkor said:
Every action Joe takes (again with the exception of trading for Jerami) says youth rebuild but his words continue to say build a winner around Dame and usually he says as soon as we possibly can. Fuck, after the draft he said he'd be looking to push all of his chips in on a big deal right now. I'd be very pleasantly surprised if we made a big deal.

I wouldn't be surprised either way with Dame either asking out if we do nothing or him staying. Hopefully if Dame does stay after we do nothing he doesn't continue to try and pressure our front office through the media. I think some negotiators wouldn't allow that to hamstring them but I don't think Joe is aggressive enough to overcome it.
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The Grant acquisition instead of Duren was not a rebuild action. The signing of GP2 wasn't a rebuild action. The acquisition of Hart and other pieces in the Clippers/NOP deadline deals weren't rebuild actions. Overpaying Nurk wasn't a rebuild action.

I agree that there have been more rebuild actions than win now actions - but this threading the needle crap has seen the team miss out on opportunities that they would have if they committed to one.
 
Is it at all possible that plans dramatically changed once we realized we could get Scoot?

That's a MAJOR crossroads. We could have been operating under the impression that we wanted to build around Dame, but now we have a potential superstar who is only 19 years old. We can move off Dame and start over, building around a couple rookie studs.
 
Back to legit options:
Center: Mo Bamba, Jock Landale or Mason Plumlee (in that order for me)
PF: Jalen McDaniels, Christian Wood, Harrison Barnes (in that order for me but Barnes is more fools gold then Wood I say)
Yes, I am all about moving Jeremi Grant to SF.
 
wizenheimer said:
or maybe, and I know this is a radical idea...Cronin actually had discussions with Hart since he was in the position to do so, and got a good sense of what Hart was inclined to do...and acted accordingly. Of course that won't fit the 'Cronin is a total fucking idiot' narrative

that said I'd rather have Hart at 18M than Ant at 18M. Ant at 25M....ouch
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Or maybe not? Your speculation and assumption Cronin had real insight here is just as meaningful as anyone's random speculation he misread the situation while lacking clear direction.

Even if what you said was true its the wrong approach if the team wants Hart. You don't go to a player and ask him his position to staying in the relationship at a future time. How do you think it would go over with my wife if I ask her what intentions she has of being together next year? No I tell her how it will work out between us and ask her if theres anything I can do to help.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Back to legit options:
Center: Mo Bamba, Jock Landale or Mason Plumlee (in that order for me)
PF: Jalen McDaniels, Christian Wood, Harrison Barnes (in that order for me)
Yes, I am all about moving Jeremi Grant to SF.
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Richmond likes McDaniels, and thinks Philly might let him go. He also thinks Oubre is a possibility, though he doesn't like him much.
 
illmatic99 said:
I think it's clear we disagree on this. I don't consider Josh Hart to be a "bad asset."

Let's move on.
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If he was a great asset he would not have to opt in as a ufa, if he is at the top of the impact of your roster, that's a bad asset for the condition.
 
Natebishop3 said:
But it wasn't just #23.

It was Hart for #23, Thybulle, and Reddish. We are opting not to retain Reddish (unless he signs for a lot less), but Thybulle is an All-Defense caliber player. You guys are acting like all we got was a rookie.
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Thybulle was acquired for GP2 and Reddish is as you say irrelevant.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Is it at all possible that plans dramatically changed once we realized we could get Scoot?

That's a MAJOR crossroads. We could have been operating under the impression that we wanted to build around Dame, but now we have a potential superstar who is only 19 years old. We can move off Dame and start over, building around a couple rookie studs.
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That’s the rumor that so many Blazers fans are having a problem with.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Is it at all possible that plans dramatically changed once we realized we could get Scoot?

That's a MAJOR crossroads. We could have been operating under the impression that we wanted to build around Dame, but now we have a potential superstar who is only 19 years old. We can move off Dame and start over, building around a couple rookie studs.
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Yeah I do think this is a major possibility. Not so much Scoot specifically - that the team was aiming to trade the pick for an above average starter to pair with Dame. That wasn't available, so they are now pivoting all the way to a rebuild and basically putting Dame into a position he feels forced to ask out.

I don't think Cronin ever lied as some claim; there are so many grey areas with these statements and conditional ones. They can say "we are trying" to build a contender around Dame when they will only offer the pick for way more value then its worth. They aren't lieing, but it doesn't mean they are being totally transparent or committing all the way to building with Dame. Just because you don't lie, doesn't mean you are telling the most accurate complete truth.
 
B-Roy said:
This is MY OPINION, but from reading the tea leaves, having Hart at 18M and Ant at 25M is non-tenable. That is 137M (basically the salary cap) for just 5 players Ant/Dame/Hart/Grant/Nurk - who aren't even good enough to be a play in team. That I agree with. They chose to keep Ant over Hart - that's why I think they made the trade.

I'm going to continue being salty we shipped Hart off instead of looking for deals for Ant around the trade deadline.

No way they could have known they would be in a position to draft Scoot at the time.
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I know it's your opinion but you seem somehow convinced Hart would have done in Portland what he's doing in NY if the Blazers would have kept him. We don't know that to be true. We do know that Cronin had discussions with Hart and almost certainly had a basis for his appraisal of the situation. IIRC he explicitly said in the PC after the deadline something to the effect of the trade being Portland getting assets for a player likely to leave in free agency

I suppose he could be lying, Or just an idiot who poorly evaluated a situation.

I do agree about Ant....last summer I was willing to give the Dame/Ant pairing a season to see if it had a different synergy than Dame/CJ, but by the trade deadline I had lost optimism. But for all we know Cronin did shop Ant and found no takers

I really wish Portland would stop investing so much in undersized no-defense SG's. It doesn't work well
 


I think this Harden thing helps our case with Lillard.

Even though Harden, Kyrie, KD, Westbrook etc. have all had better chances at the title in the last few years, they also have a combined total of 0 titles. And they've each bounced around on 2-3 teams already.

I don't think Dame wants that to be his legacy. If he goes to Miami and doesn't win a title, he will regret leaving Portland, and that probably weighs on him.
 
wizenheimer said:
I know it's your opinion but you seem somehow convinced Hart would have done in Portland what he's doing in NY if the Blazers would have kept him. We don't know that to be true. We do know that Cronin had discussions with Hart and almost certainly had a basis for his appraisal of the situation. IIRC he explicitly said in the PC after the deadline something to the effect of the trade being Portland getting assets for a player likely to leave in free agency

I suppose he could be lying, Or just an idiot who poorly evaluated a situation.

I do agree about Ant....last summer I was willing to give the Dame/Ant pairing a season to see if it had a different synergy than Dame/CJ, but by the trade deadline I had lost optimism. But for all we know Cronin did shop Ant and found no takers

I really wish Portland would stop investing so much in undersized no-defense SG's. It doesn't work well
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Your speculation is as good as mine.

Lowe said there was no scuttle of trade rumors about Ant/Sharpe at the deadline though. And Lowe is probably one of the most trustworthy people out there.
 
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