Game Thread 2024-25 GAME #13 - BLAZERS VS TWOLVES - NOVEMBER 13, 2024 - WEDNESDAY - 7PM - KATU 2.2, BLAZERVISION

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julius said:
Scoot definitely had some passes that would've made Shaqtin'.

The one fast break to Jeremi where his pass landed in the crowd several feet above Grants hands for starters.
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But who really cares? A throw away season is when your 20 year old PG is SUPPOSED to make mistakes.
 
THE HCP said:
Were you asleep for 10 years while Dame tore up the league? That was kinda’ exciting.
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Dame had many great moments but I can see why some fans never liked his Blazer teams or his style of play - being an ISO ball hog that played horrible defense.

Yes much of that was Olshey or Stotts or others fault, still the end product never got us seasons like we had with Drexler or Sheed.
 
THE HCP said:
But who really cares? A throw away season is when your 20 year old PG is SUPPOSED to make mistakes.
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It's not how the mistakes lead to losses this year that is the issue.

Its the correlation that a player making those types of mistakes never becomes a star, or even becomes an average starter.
 
wizenheimer said:
I think that's still a legitimate concern. He looked great last night but his main counterpart was Gobert and he won't really test Clingan's defense outside of the restricted area

need to see how Clingan does against AD, Jokic, Embiid, etc. and teams that don't appear to have as remedial an offense as Minny did
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Ok this is ridiculous, Minny smoked the defending champs, swept the Durant Suns, was in the WCF, and this year was a leader in the NBA in key offensive areas such as 3pt attempts as well as 3pt %.

You make it sound like they're a lottery team with a bad offense. Gobert also has been a monster in the regular season.

Now could Clingan get played off the court when a few other teams go small? Sure its possible, but theres also plenty of teams with Gobert/Jokic/KAT/Embiid/Nurk/Lopez/Zubac/ etc centers out there that play big minutes.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
It's not how the mistakes lead to losses this year that is the issue.

Its the correlation that a player making those types of mistakes never becomes a star, or even becomes an average starter.
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Typing too many words. Let a 20 year old PG loose. Gotta learn from his mistakes!
 
Big question for Billups.

nobody besides him and Ayton want to see Ayton starting anymore.

Clingan fits the team and fits supposedly what Billups wants to do.

what's going to happen with that?
 
THE HCP said:
Typing too many words. Let a 20 year old PG loose. Gotta learn from his mistakes!
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So should we let every 20 year old PG that makes mistakes play big minutes?

At a point NBA players need to earn their roles. Sharpe and Clingan have given us flashes. Rupert as well. They deserve the minutes they play.

I'm for letting Scoot play, but no we don't need to give him some huge startling level role when his play doesn't warrant it. That might actually be counter productive to both the team but also to his individual development.
 
THE HCP said:
Typing too many words. Let a 20 year old PG loose. Gotta learn from his mistakes!
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Maybe he needs to learn there are consequences for making really bad mistakes; like sitting the last five minutes? That just might imprint better, so he'll focus more next time.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Maybe he needs to learn there are consequences for making really bad mistakes; like sitting the last five minutes? That just might imprint better, so he'll focus more next time.
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PCmor7 said:
Scoot's defense is getting better, though.

Different kind of defender than Camara in that he uses his strength, but his feet are plenty quick. His hands are so strong that he can dislodge the ball or just rip it away from even bigger guys.

I wouldn't sleep in him just because the expectations were so high and he isn't anywhere near them, but Scoot's starting to show more and more flashes. Just needs to calm down out there and definitely has to show he can do this consistently, but his defense has been noticeably improved ... he's not Dame/Ant-level of a liability on that side of the court, not even close.
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He's good on ball. Some times leaves that three point shooter in the corner too much room.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Big question for Billups.

nobody besides him and Ayton want to see Ayton starting anymore.

Clingan fits the team and fits supposedly what Billups wants to do.

what's going to happen with that?
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reportedly, the Blazers F.O. spent a couple of years coveting Ayton before they landed him in the Dame trade. It was a really stupid desire on the part of Cronim/Schmitz but it was a mission they chose with apparent enthusisam

Billups has to be aware of that. Maybe that will motivate him to go back to the giving Ayton 2-3 times the minutes as Clingan. But since it's pretty clear he won't be the HC next season, maybe Billups won't be so pro-Ayton in his rotations.

seems kind of obvious that of the 3 C's: Ayton/Clingan/Timelord, Ayton is the 3rd best and 3rd most impactful. Adding him to the team was a delusional mistake by the F.O.
 
wizenheimer said:
reportedly, the Blazers F.O. spent a couple of years coveting Ayton before they landed him in the Dame trade. It was a really stupid desire on the part of Cronim/Schmitz but it was a mission they chose with apparent enthusisam

Billups has to be aware of that. Maybe that will motivate him to go back to the giving Ayton 2-3 times the minutes as Clingan. But since it's pretty clear he won't be the HC next season, maybe Billups won't be so pro-Ayton in his rotations.

seems kind of obvious that of the 3 C's: Ayton/Clingan/Timelord, Ayton is the 3rd best and 3rd most impactful. Adding him to the team was a delusional mistake by the F.O.
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Pretty low risk though, don't you think?

We got rid of Nurk/Little/Keon. I don't really see much of a loss there. What else could that package have gotten us?

We got Camara out of the deal. Ayton only has one more year on his contract. Clingon needs some time to get used to the NBA and Rob.... well.... I still think we should trade him.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Big question for Billups.

nobody besides him and Ayton want to see Ayton starting anymore.

Clingan fits the team and fits supposedly what Billups wants to do.

what's going to happen with that?
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So are we keeping Williams long-term in your scenario? Can he stay healthy? Because DC picking up 2 quick fouls in the first 3 minutes to be placed by Duop would not be my preference. Duop is more of a 3rd string center to me. And we will need 3 centers since it is a position where injuries often occur. At least for the Blazers.
 
TheGoldRanger said:
It was but it was also a different type of excitement. I can’t really explain it.
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I can, never felt like the Dame teams had the legs to maybe challenge for a championship down the line. The early Dame / LMA team was exciting but it was not clear how it would work with a young stud and an aging star, after that breakup these Dame teams were mostly questionable even as fans for future growth, CJ was Dame-light so it was clear there was duplication there, there was, for a minute there some excitement about the team with Nurk fever but that went away quickly when they tried to force feed Nurk and it was clear he was not that dude, later he broke his leg and while the team, through lucky matchups, crazy Dame performance in the first round and crazy CJ performance in the 2nd round made it to the WCF, they were exposed by the Warriors.

With this team, a couple of young complimentary high-upside players (Sharpe, DC and maybe Scoot) and the chance of another one in the upcoming draft... there is something there, especially when the FO has understood what NeO never did, you need size in this league, you need big bodies that can handle and create in this league. The Blazers can now have Sharpe, Deni - bigger bodies that can be playmakers, in addition to a good passing big which is also a great defensive anchor in DC and role players that can score and handle some TC, DB. There is certainly something brewing here.
 
wizenheimer said:
seems kind of obvious that of the 3 C's: Ayton/Clingan/Timelord, Ayton is the 3rd best and 3rd most impactful. Adding him to the team was a delusional mistake by the F.O.
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Wait, it's not Monday morning. So, they should have anticipated trading for Rob and drafting Clingon? That would have been impressive.
 
bemac said:
Wait, it's not Monday morning. So, they should have anticipated trading for Rob and drafting Clingon? That would have been impressive.
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Not to add that it is rewriting history. DA's big salary was needed to move Dame's big salary, so taking a flyer on a former #1 pick that was actually pretty good when the Suns made it to the Finals seem like way different than delusional, it was both a necessity to make that big trade happen and a good way to try something for a highly skilled big with the hope that getting out of the Monty / CP3 cesspool will help him.

DA was well worth the trade and the Blazers quickly realized that they need to upgrade the position for the long-term which they did.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I find it a bit odd you referred to that trade as the ‘Ayton’ trade. I presume that was a typo. Don’t you mean the ‘Camara’ trade?
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Nas was clearly the best player in that trade. It should have been the Little trade. :devilwink:
 
wizenheimer said:
reportedly, the Blazers F.O. spent a couple of years coveting Ayton before they landed him in the Dame trade. It was a really stupid desire on the part of Cronim/Schmitz but it was a mission they chose with apparent enthusisam

Billups has to be aware of that. Maybe that will motivate him to go back to the giving Ayton 2-3 times the minutes as Clingan. But since it's pretty clear he won't be the HC next season, maybe Billups won't be so pro-Ayton in his rotations.

seems kind of obvious that of the 3 C's: Ayton/Clingan/Timelord, Ayton is the 3rd best and 3rd most impactful. Adding him to the team was a delusional mistake by the F.O.
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I'd be happy to see Ayton gone but the trade to PHX IMO was a win, we got rid of a worse Nurk (same contract length) and also Nas Littles contract as well (a bad one as well) - believe that totals around 25 mil per, Ayton makes more but he's gone after next year. IMO what makes the trade a fairly good one is we got Camara in it, a win as far as I am concerned
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Can't Scoot get playing time and "settle down" in a bench role? I think Scoot starting is bad for the Blazers team right now and it might be bad for Scoot's development as well since he will be so significantly outplayed.

I'm all for Ant on the bench - but I'd seriously explore starting Banton.
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IMO no, I think he needs to be starter otherwise he might go through same thing when he becomes starter. We need him to develop as quickly as possible, delaying it just delays our timeline. Losses don’t hurt right now but will soon when we fight for playoffs. Plus we need to know is he our future point guard if not this draft has some good ones.

as side note Banton might be able to fill backup role if we trade Ant
 
illmatic99 said:
Still think going against mobile bags will be a problem. He's been blown by a few times already this season. But his rim protection is elite. I just hope he won't get played off the floor by certain teams.
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I know no one wants to take chance on RW’s health but him and Clingan would be a hell of a duo. RW 20 minutes a game and our defense would be top 10 with those two as our anchors on defense. Also lots of offense with our two guards driving lane they come to help and they create lots of lob opportunities for Clingan and RW.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
So are we keeping Williams long-term in your scenario? Can he stay healthy? Because DC picking up 2 quick fouls in the first 3 minutes to be placed by Duop would not be my preference. Duop is more of a 3rd string center to me. And we will need 3 centers since it is a position where injuries often occur. At least for the Blazers.
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Even worse, Duop is only a 3rd stringer based on last year's breakout performances. This year, he's a woefully bad shooter, and that is his primary area of contribution. An undersized center who hustles and can't do much else doesn't have a place in the league.

Come to think of it, maybe he and Deni don't get along, considering where they're from, and that's got them both in a shooting slump.
 
handiman said:
Come to think of it, maybe he and Deni don't get along, considering where they're from, and that's got them both in a shooting slump.
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I did not realize that Australia and Israel had issues with one another.
 
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