Game Thread 2024-25 GAME #5 - BLAZERS @ CLIPPERS - OCTOBER 30, 2024 - WED - 7:30 PM - KATU 2.2 - BLAZERVISION

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I want to say this once but I don't answer to lunacy, so it's not directed at any one Blazers fan. This better not be the fucking team that Joe has designed for future greatness because it doesn't make any fucking sense as a roster (a theme that has plagued every Joe Cronin built roster thus far).

No this better be something that the team is giving time to breathe before we trade at the very least Ant and Jerami at the deadline and Ayton too if Clingan is progressing and Rob Williams is ready to play half the minutes at C by then.
 
blazerkor said:
I want to say this once but I don't answer to lunacy, so it's not directed at any one Blazers fan. This better not be the fucking team that Joe has designed for future greatness because it doesn't make any fucking sense as a roster (a theme that has plagued every Joe Cronin built roster thus far).

No this better be something that the team is giving time to breathe before we trade at the very least Ant and Jerami at the deadline and Ayton too if Clingan is progressing and Rob Williams is ready to play half the minutes at C by then.
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The one Caveat is Shaedon Sharpe. He is still on the roster. I would like to see the team with Sharpe in a major capacity before trading away what are decent role players.

I still don't trust Billups though. He didn't even have Sharpe in the starting lineup to begin last season. Who knows what role Billups will give Sharpe.
 
blazerfan11 said:
He also clearly didn't learn that his shots will eventually be blocked if he keeps going to the hoop. And then he did it again.

What happened to his game-ending mid-range shot?
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Agreed. 25 points on 24 shots is hardly something to be celebrating. Just to round out the group that I want traded because I think they are good players when seen as fifth starters or sixth men: Jerami scored 8 points on his 14 shots and Deandre (who is a fucking seven foot center) shot just over 50% but due to his lack of aggression only got 15 points on 15 shots.

We got lucky because the Clippers were worse than us tonight not because we are better than them. Also it might not be very smart to call it lucky when we need more talent through the draft.
 
blazerfan11 said:
The one Caveat is Shaedon Sharpe. He is still on the roster. I would like to see the team with Sharpe in a major capacity before trading away what are decent role players.

I still don't trust Billups though. He didn't even have Sharpe in the starting lineup to begin last season. Who knows what role Billups will give Sharpe.
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I don't want to see Shaedon in a lineup where he has to try to grow while being overshadowed by the almost 33 shots per game that Ant and Jerami jack up no matter what. No, I'd like to see what Shaedon can do when featured in an offense with willing passers.
 
blazerfan11 said:
The one Caveat is Shaedon Sharpe. He is still on the roster. I would like to see the team with Sharpe in a major capacity before trading away what are decent role players.

I still don't trust Billups though. He didn't even have Sharpe in the starting lineup to begin last season. Who knows what role Billups will give Sharpe.
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Also you're about to see what you want because even if Joe is going to do the smart thing, he'll likely wait until well after the new year and Shae is probably only a few games away from playing.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't want to see Shaedon in a lineup where he has to try to grow while being overshadowed by the almost 33 shots per game that Ant and Jerami jack up no matter what. No, I'd like to see what Shaedon can do when featured in an offense with willing passers.
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That was the beauty of the end of the Sharpe's rookie season.

 
blazerkor said:
I want to say this once but I don't answer to lunacy, so it's not directed at any one Blazers fan. This better not be the fucking team that Joe has designed for future greatness because it doesn't make any fucking sense as a roster (a theme that has plagued every Joe Cronin built roster thus far).

No this better be something that the team is giving time to breathe before we trade at the very least Ant and Jerami at the deadline and Ayton too if Clingan is progressing and Rob Williams is ready to play half the minutes at C by then.
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Didn't you say a bunch of similar comments before summer league about how the Blazers roster would likely have big trades soon and then here we are 4 months later with the same group?

At this point we should all expect Joe to stand pat, try to win the first few months, then switch to a hard tank with fake injuries and g league scrubs. It's what the team has done every year since he became GM.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Didn't you say a bunch of similar comments before summer league about how the Blazers roster would likely have big trades soon and then here we are 4 months later with the same group?

At this point we should all expect Joe to stand pat, try to win the first few months, then switch to a hard tank with fake injuries and g league scrubs. It's what the team has done every year since he became GM.
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At least nobody should be surprised, especially with the supposed talent in the 2025 draft.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Didn't you say a bunch of similar comments before summer league about how the Blazers roster would likely have big trades soon and then here we are 4 months later with the same group?

At this point we should all expect Joe to stand pat, try to win the first few months, then switch to a hard tank with fake injuries and g league scrubs. It's what the team has done every year since he became GM.
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You're right it's what I expect and that makes me pretty fucking angry so I choose to post about what I hope will happen.

At the very least Jerami's value doesn't go up if we sit him after the trade deadline and he is not going to be better than he is right now when guys like Scoot, Shaedon, Rayan or whoever it is that pops or guys that we still haven't drafted, are ready to contribute to playoff wins the way Jerami is right now. If the offer from the Lakers is one FRP, one guy with positive trade value that we could flip (Hachimura), one guy with negative trade value (Vincent) and an expiring contract (Reddish) then get that fucking FRP or go to another team and get more. Anyway, if he continues to sit on our depreciating assets, I'm going to continue to be pissed.
 
Good performance. Lot to be happy about.

I know there are some that don't want to win. Relax. The Blazers probably won't. There's just not enough consistent shooting on this roster and not enough experience to overcome that. Plus, it's the West ... there are too many other teams that already have the pieces and that's going to keep the Blazers out of the play-in. We'll be in the lottery, and, with a little bit of luck, we'll move up in the draw.

Plus, there are good trade chips on this team.

And, if we don't lose? Then enjoy it. It means somebody in this organization knows what they're doing. It means the conglomeration is better than the sum of the parts with a lot of room to get better, considering the youth. It means we're good and we need less to be great.

I think we're in a good situation right now. I think we're going to win and be more competitive, but circumstances will keep us in the lottery so we'll be adding some quality assets.
 
I honestly think you are seeing a couple players being showcased at this point. I can't imagine Simons and Grant not playing starter minutes. You have the Lakers looking at Vanderbilt foot injury and you have both the Heat and Bucks needing a PF. Then there is Philly and PG. There are teams out there that have positional needs and the Blazers have a couple of working vets that may be available at what are now reasonable contracts.
Do those teams have a way to get players? IDK but you have to admit Simons and Grant could help a few teams this year.
 
blazerkor said:
You're right it's what I expect and that makes me pretty fucking angry so I choose to post about what I hope will happen.

At the very least Jerami's value doesn't go up if we sit him after the trade deadline and he is not going to be better than he is right now when guys like Scoot, Shaedon, Rayan or whoever it is that pops or guys that we still haven't drafted, are ready to contribute to playoff wins the way Jerami is right now. If the offer from the Lakers is one FRP, one guy with positive trade value that we could flip (Hachimura), one guy with negative trade value (Vincent) and an expiring contract (Reddish) then get that fucking FRP or go to another team and get more. Anyway, if he continues to sit on our depreciating assets, I'm going to continue to be pissed.
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It goes back to the moment Dame was traded, we should have worked to move every vet for picks.

We've actually done the opposite of that by sending picks out to bring in Deni. The early returns have that looking like a Roco 2.0 move.

Now I agree with you it's super frustrating. But what the best moves are for this franchise and what the franchise actually is doing are two very different things. That's what happens when you have poor management and some of the worst ownership in the league.
 
Scoot has been playing much more under control lately, and you see it in his shooting volume going down and efficiency going up. But now we have Simons dribbling into double teams and getting rejected/missing. He's only shooting 47% at the rim. What happened to drawing a double team and finding the open man?
 
PCmor7 said:
Good performance. Lot to be happy about.

I know there are some that don't want to win. Relax. The Blazers probably won't. There's just not enough consistent shooting on this roster and not enough experience to overcome that. Plus, it's the West ... there are too many other teams that already have the pieces and that's going to keep the Blazers out of the play-in. We'll be in the lottery, and, with a little bit of luck, we'll move up in the draw.

Plus, there are good trade chips on this team.

And, if we don't lose? Then enjoy it. It means somebody in this organization knows what they're doing. It means the conglomeration is better than the sum of the parts with a lot of room to get better, considering the youth. It means we're good and we need less to be great.

I think we're in a good situation right now. I think we're going to win and be more competitive, but circumstances will keep us in the lottery so we'll be adding some quality assets.
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I know the Clippers had some early wins but that's a really bad roster without Kawhi, probably third worst in the west behind us and Utah. I'm not worried we're going to be a .500 team or anything.

However the short term benefit of when Ant, Ayton, Grant lead the offense doesn't provide a benefit to the Blazers in the short term and it hurts the team long term. That's why it's so frustrating to have them all still on the roster and so unexciting to "root" for them to win.

I'd love to have a roster where we can root for the team to win 100% of the time led by Camara, Rupert, Clingan, Scoot, Sharpe. Maybe throw one vet on the roster to that mix, but not all 5 vets of Grant/Ant/Ayton/Thybulle/Timelord.
 
kjironman1 said:
I honestly think you are seeing a couple players being showcased at this point. I can't imagine Simons and Grant not playing starter minutes. You have the Lakers looking at Vanderbilt foot injury and you have both the Heat and Bucks needing a PF. Then there is Philly and PG. There are teams out there that have positional needs and the Blazers have a couple of working vets that may be available at what are now reasonable contracts.
Do those teams have a way to get players? IDK but you have to admit Simons and Grant could help a few teams this year.
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Philly and the Bucks have no way to match salaries.

Heat and Blazers have bad blood I don't think either wants to talk.

Lakers for Grant is the only one that makes sense. Both parties should pull the trigger on a FRP. If Cronin is insisting on two as is rumored a deal will never happen IMO.
 
beast blazer said:
Scoot has been playing much more under control lately, and you see it in his shooting volume going down and efficiency going up. But now we have Simons dribbling into double teams and getting rejected/missing. He's only shooting 47% at the rim. What happened to drawing a double team and finding the open man?
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Scoot play is encouraging.

I'm not worried about Simons offense, that's small sample size.

The problem with Simons isn't his play it's that a veteran who will be on an expiring contract next year makes no sense for a franchise in our position.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
hilly and the Bucks have no way to match salaries.
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This is wrong. There is always a way.

SharpesTriumph said:
eat and Blazers have bad blood I don't think either wants to talk.
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Business before pleasure. Bad blood is in your (The Fans) head. I'm sure Joe is willing if the price is right and I'm also sure Pat Riley has more experience than that.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Lakers for Grant is the only one that makes sense. Both parties should pull the trigger on a FRP. If Cronin is insisting on two as is rumored a deal will never happen IMO.
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If Lebron is pissed about Hachimura's shot selection, he'd hate to have Grant.
 
There are 77 games left. Remember just a few years ago they started 10-4, and then the wheels fell off?

There's a LOT of basketball left to play. They still have a chance to suck
 
KingSpeed said:
They had Harden and Zubac. We were missing our best player too. And we were on the road. It was an impressive win.
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Oh shoot. Zubac and a 35 year old Harden sounds like a championship squad.

Great statement win!
 
julius said:
There are 77 games left. Remember just a few years ago they started 10-4, and then the wheels fell off?

There's a LOT of basketball left to play. They still have a chance to suck
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Well sure, but what is the benefit to using vets to get these wins now?

I'd rather not have to fake injuries and play multiple g league scrubs for half the season as we've done for four years. Would be far more enjoyable to just root for our youth to win all year long, they get wins it means we have great young talent they lose and we get a great draft pick.
 
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