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BIG Q said:
I think part of the premium paid for Deni was the fact that Brogdon, a small, was traded for Deni, the big. Many here want to trade Ant for a big. They will be giving up more than just Ant unless they take future assets and salary ballast.
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I'll take draft capital please.
 
Blazinaway said:
Wait, a "6th man of the year player AND 2 firsts" for Ant? That's patently ridiculous, if Cronin (or anyone else) thinks that they are deranged
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That's what Washington got for Deni. I think that's the point he is making, which is that Deni already has proven to have more trade value than Ant.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Or..... Joe preferred to trade the guy who is 7 years older.
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This, plus Brogdon is injury prone and his play will start to dimmish from here on out each year.

Plus I think people are really missing that Brodgon could have just walked for nothing after this season. Ant has two years left. People don't factor in the way the salary cap is now and the new CBA, expiring contracts are once again becoming very attractive for teams looking to get under the cap or take on less risk being tied up in a contract that has years on it. The Wizards are renting Brodgon for one year and they using his salary to clear more cap space for them.

So if Ant has the same or better year this year than last, next off season he will be a expiring contract and still a solid young player, so when you look at it from that standpoint, it's crazy to say Ant's value will never get any higher. Just having a expiring contract next off season in itself will be more attractive for teams imo
 
AmirIcon said:
Brogdon had no value. The worst team in the league took him before it was salary filler. He would have made a better and more willing 6th man than Ant.
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If Malcolm had no value and Joe got a good young player in Deni for him, then Joe got what he wanted.
I like Brogdon, and I agree he would have been a good 6th man for us ....for a year.
 
andalusian said:
That's what Washington got for Deni. I think that's the point he is making, which is that Deni already has proven to have more trade value than Ant.
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yeah. I think the Blazers made a good trade to land Avdija. But there is no doubt they did pay a fairly high price sending out two first's.

Portland paid a premium but they were trading for the highest valued position in the NBA: a wing. And not only is Avdija a wing, he's a wing that has demonstrated a broad skillset of highly valued talents. A ball-handler who can lead a fast break and facilitate half-court sets. A very good rebounder for his position who shot over 37% on three's last season. And he did all that while demonstrating some solid and versatile defense. In other words he checks all of the valuable boxes: wing + 2-way + 3&D. granted, this was all at a lower level on a bad team, but still, he had value and the trade reflected that

there is no way an undersized, no-defense tweener guard has that much value around the league. Simons is not a wing because of his size; he's not a 2-way player; he's not 3&D. The boxes he doesn't check may weigh more than those he does
 
AmirIcon said:
Brogdon had no value. The worst team in the league took him because it was salary filler. He would have made a better and more willing 6th man than Ant.
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For one season and we lose him for nothing? Plus no telling how many games he would have played since he is injury prone. We got Deni him, I think he got value for him imo considering we would have gotten nothing for him after this season.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Interesting to hear the contrast between Coach Billups and Danny Hurley. Of course, we have been told by others that coaching doesn't make any difference anyway.

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I mean... this isn't exactly breaking news.

College coaches are little tyrants. They have all the power. They can scream at their kids and they have a much shorter season. Most NBA coaches don't scream at their players. And the NBA is a marathon. It's not a sprint.

And...... we're not exactly trying to win right now. We don't want anyone getting hurt that we want to trade.
 
AmirIcon said:
If Joe could have traded Ant for Deni he would have, but their value isn't even close.

Deni is a championship-type player. Ant is MAYBE a 6th man on a mediocre team. If Joe could have given one 1st and Ant for Deni he would have. Unfortunately, we see that Ant's value isn't as high as we'd like.
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WOW! “value isn’t even close”…… “mediocre team’s 6th man”…..”Deni is a CHAMPIONSHIP-TYPE PLAYER”……WOW! HOLY SHIT!
 
TBpup said:
If Ant is our 'best player' with that atrocious defense, no wonder we are projected to be where we are. Ant's defense gives YMCA 6' and under leagues hope.
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That’s EXACTLY why we will have such a horrible season.
 
wizenheimer said:
lol...you didn't "debunk" anything

this forum is about the Blazers. This thread is about the Blazers training camp. Ant/Grant are Blazers; they participated in the training camp press conference; they will be there for training camp. There have been rumors about them being shopped, especially Grant. Talking about Ant/Grant is definitely on topic, whether you like it or not. Talking about their potential return from a trade is on topic. Talking about their strengths and weaknesses is on topic. Talking about their skills and flaws is on topic.

You don't have to participate in all of the discussions a thread like this will generate. And you're capable of putting posters on ignore if what they say bugs you
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I think it’s off topic. You’re not talking about training camp.
 
BIG Q said:
Which is what differentiates those players from others, making them championship winners and HOF’ers. KAT nor Simons will sniff either , IMO.
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But the argument made was KAT is unhappy with Edwards apparently being The Man. Where is there evidence of that?
 
wizenheimer said:
CP3 plays great defense as a short pass-first PG and hasn't won a championship. On the other hand, Curry plays poor defense as a shoot first PG and has won 4.

I think most of us, all thru the Dame years wanted the Blazers to land another player at Dame's level. That the Blazers didn't succeed with Dame isn't Dame's fault. It the fault of management

It's true, Dame wasn't a Lebron or a Giannis or a Jokic. So, for some of the posters here, the solution, apparently, was to trade Dame so the Blazers could get better. But here's the issue: Portland drafted Clyde Drexler in 1983. 29 years later, the Blazers drafted Dame in 2012. Almost 3 decades separate Portland adding Drexler and Portland adding Dame. If it happens again, it will be 2041 before the Blazers draft a player at the Drexler/Dame level. 17 years from now. It might be that people will walk on Mars before the Blazers have a player as talented as Dame
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Sharpe is as good as Drexler. Scoot as good as Dame.
 
wizenheimer said:
that was basically my point. That being that a player's reality is based upon their sustained prime, not their imagined potential. Too many negative factors can derail potential into streets going nowhere. That happened with Roy; we saw him elevate his game to an elite level but we didn't see that his knees were already failing. He was done before he even entered his prime. Oden is just an asterisk

there are 3 certain members of Portland's all-time starting 5: Walton-Drexler-Dame. The remaining two are debates: Gross or Kiki or Jerome; Buck or Rasheed or LMA. The Walton-Drexler-Dame trio represents the kind of singular talent a team absolutely needs to be a contender. Portland has been a team for 55 years, and they've had only 3 players at that level. And a lot of posters here just couldn't wait until the team traded the last one the Blazers had. Well, they may be waiting a damn long time before there's another
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Rasheed was better than Dame.
 
KingSpeed said:
But the argument made was KAT is unhappy with Edwards apparently being The Man. Where is there evidence of that?
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It's a fair question, because the articles after the trade said just the opposite. KAT apparently wanted more time to adjust to that secondary role behind Edwards.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
If Malcolm had no value and Joe got a good young player in Deni for him, then Joe got what he wanted.
I like Brogdon, and I agree he would have been a good 6th man for us ....for a year.
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Brogdon was inconsequential for Washington. They did the deal for the picks. Brogdon was salary filler that worked for Deni.
 
THE HCP said:
WOW! “value isn’t even close”…… “mediocre team’s 6th man”…..”Deni is a CHAMPIONSHIP-TYPE PLAYER”……WOW! HOLY SHIT!
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I didn't know it was possible to have a seizure on a message board, but congratulations... you sound like you did it.

No need to be dense. We're talking about skillsets. Deni checks off all the boxes. Ant does not.
 
AmirIcon said:
I didn't know it was possible to have a seizure on a message board, but congratulations... you sound like you did it.

No need to be dense. We're talking about skillsets. Deni checks off all the boxes. Ant does not.
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You’re a clown. I quoted you, Word for Word those are your words. I’m the one with the issues gotcha
 
THE HCP said:
You’re a clown. I quoted you, Word for Word those are your words. I’m the one with the issues gotcha
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Says the guy who spent every waking hour trying to convince the board for a month that they shouldn't have interest in the draft because everyone sucks.

Sure thing, buddy.
 
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