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I just watched it. Pretty powerful stuff. Now I know both sides of it.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">Man i never knew that even Condoleeza Rice knew about it. She told some guy to cancel his flight. So all of these government people knew about this?. Man im still trying to find a clip of the pentagon falling down. My cuzin told me that when the pentagon fell, it collapsed from the bottom. And when the airplane was suppose to hit, it was suppose to collapse from the top. So if it fell from the bottom, that means the airplane didnt make it fall. The pentagon collapsed like 2-3 seconds before the plane hit. Can someone find a clip when the pentagon collapsed. I wanna see it.</div>

I think you mean the Twin Towers? The Twin Towers are the buildings that collapsed.

"It's not a matter of whether the war is not real, or if it is, Victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia but to keep the very structure of society intact."

~ George Orwell
 
Ofcourse if you go out and look for particular things surrounding 9/11, you will find things that might suggest that it was a set-up, but that is stupid, there is undeniable evidence that al queda(sorry, cant spell it) had a motive. That motive was getting back at the US for being such a money-driven, cappatalist,materealistic and currupt nation(nothing bad towards americans just towards the people who run it).this is blatantly obvious in their desision of location of attack, wall street(currupt, money-driven, exploitationists) and the pentagon (military-doesn't need explanation) and the white house(which didnt work,but represents the currupt, stupid, ignorant and pointless government). what they did is wrong and inhumane, it is also hard to beleive the US would create a "motive" for "entering" Iraq. this video is completely biased and although it had good intentions(proving once and for all that US government are a bunch of dumbasses)it did not support it's evidence with sufficent and reliable information.
 
I havn't seen the movie yet, but if the government set this up, then why is Bin Laden still hiding? Do they refer to anything about that in the movie?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.</div>

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It's weird how no one is talking about this.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Source

It's weird how no one is talking about this.</div>


Thats because US wants a reason to continue on with its "war" ..
They dont want a reason to back down. They want to keep on going. And giving this Osama-death thing attention wont leave much purpose of the military being in Afghanistan.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Source

It's weird how no one is talking about this.</div>
Actually, I tihnk thats BS. The date says December of '01.
 
i remeber it being reported that he died b4 but i dont no. ive seen that video a few months back and it got me to believe that the government did do it. the misle on the plane was the thing that really got me to believe it because i doubt that out of all the people there no one saw a misle on the bottom of a airplane. the government did have good reason to do it. its mostly for the oil but there could be another motive to it. obviously by the attacks it gave them rite to go to afganistan. after going into afganistan they could ship all the oil and get oil and blah blah, but i think another reason for it is for power. i think that the governemnt feels they should have a station in a asian country so if a country like south korea (or which ever one they hate) does get like nuclear weapons and stuff they could attack them quicker and stuff. they proabably saw it as a kill 2 birds with 1 stone, with oil and power.

also another reason i believe it was the governemtn is look @ the technology the united states has. we have weapons that can kill everyone in the world in a matter of hours maybe even minutes and they can't find a guy whos hiding in a cave.



another interesting fact, on 9/11 after the attacks only 1 plane left the country. that plane was a private jet that was carring osama bin laden's brother
 
Another reason for Bush to set this whole thing up would be to back up his war in Iraq. This lets him get more oil and get revenge on Saddam Hussein since he always had problems with Bush Senior. Revenge and oil fueled Bush to do this and I find this very interesting.

I'm watching the movie right now and I am speechless. Could all of this be true?
 
Just watched this video, and the guy in the video makes VERY strong arguements. It made me a believer.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Just watched this video, and the guy in the video makes VERY strong arguements. It made me a believer.</div>


yep me too. I am a believer too. I think that Bush did this crap because he wanted to give Americans a reason to hate Muslims. I am a Muslim, and in school, people call me a terrorist. I don't like that because it wasn't even the Muslim's fault. All these people's lives and all these muslims in u.s.(being called a terrorist) are suffering from this tragedy set up by Bush. He just wants oil and thats it. I still can't belive that U.S. itself did this to it's peoples. And did you guys know that in the past, other planes accidentally crashed in buildings, and those buildings never fell. What makes people think that a plane (this time) could make this strong building fall? It was because of all the different explosions that happened before and during the crash. Some people that heard this and were there at the time, themselves said that they heard explosions before the crash, and some said that they heard a whole bunch of explosions. It is amazing how nobody really pays much attention to these kinds of videos. I really like the guy who made this video. Very interesting and amazing. I am going to tell more people about it.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Umair15:</div><div class="quote_post">yep me too. I am a believer too. I think that Bush did this crap because he wanted to give Americans a reason to hate Muslims. I am a Muslim, and in school, people call me a terrorist. I don't like that because it wasn't even the Muslim's fault. All these people's lives and all these muslims in u.s.(being called a terrorist) are suffering from this tragedy set up by Bush. He just wants oil and thats it.</div>

Not to hate Muslims. This whole thing is about oil..just oil. Yea the terrorist thing sucks and you don't deserve it, and I'm sure it will eventually stop. No one talks about the Japanese anyone even though they attacked Pearl Harbor.

Speaking of Pearl Harbor.....9/11 is the new Pearl Harbor.
Same sh*t, different assh*le.
 
^^Word. all of our nice ships just happened to be away that day, wierd huh?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^Word. all of our nice ships just happened to be away that day, wierd huh?</div>


No actually FDR knew about the attack because a Japanese messege was deciphered, too bad he forgot to tell everybody. Hey don't blame him, a lot of people can make that mistake......just look at Bush.
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^^ i know, but i thought that like our 5 or 6 best ships were out on a "mission" or something. Bush is a douche
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheFreshPrince:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ i know, but i thought that like our 5 or 6 best ships were out on a "mission" or something. Bush is a douche</div>

If 5 or 6 ships were gone...there wouldn't be much to attack.

What amazes me, is that people actually voted for Bush for a 2nd term. Unbelievable.
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Yah the Pearl Harbour incident was about as shady as it gets.

Sending thousands of troops to Pearl Harbour was only necessary if they either were going to attack another country or if they themselves felt they were under attack. Since we know that they weren't involved in the war till after the Pearl Harbour attacks, then they must've known an attack on America was imminent. And if that were the case, why was it so damn easy for the Japanese to "surprise" them like that?? The Japanese were good, but they weren't THAT good to have fooled the Americans so easily..... hhmmmmm
 
People say that Pearl Harbor was FDR's way to get the USA into the war so that we could help the British and not break the laws that were made after World War I.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">People say that Pearl Harbor was FDR's way to get the USA into the war </div>

Yea, and 9/11 was a way for Bush to get the USA into a war.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Not to hate Muslims. This whole thing is about oil..just oil. Yea the terrorist thing sucks and you don't deserve it, and I'm sure it will eventually stop. No one talks about the Japanese anyone even though they attacked Pearl Harbor.

Speaking of Pearl Harbor.....9/11 is the new Pearl Harbor.
Same sh*t, different assh*le.</div>

yea i hope.
 
After reading the website, I am actually more convinced that US didn't plan 9/11. My originial argument is this; most logical people will not steal a bread when the penalty of stealing is death. Exactly what US could have gained if 9/11 happened? Only tangible thing US govt would have gotten is a boost from the people in US, and maybe a second presidency for the Bush. Actually, this also could have gone either way too, because if he handles the situation wrong, he would definitely fail to serve 2nd term. Just because 9/11 happened, US wouldn't gain oil automatically, and there are too many uncertainty that could have gone anywhere. In other hand, have you imagine the aftershock if US get caught in the future? Bush will be in a jail for long time for murder and treason if not being executed, US will be distrusted instantly, and that will bring gigantic chaos and worldwide economic depresson for a long time. Knowing tiny plus side and catastropic minus side, I don't think any sane people will choose to go ahead with 9/11.

The website said how people suddenly applied for insurance, exercised stock options, people canceled flight plans and how some people received a tip by phone calls. If you are planning something that the wrong turn can devestrate yourself, you will keep the secret till the last mins, instead of telling basically everybody that something will happen so they need to do something. I mean, would you tip somebody to exercise mere 1.7 mils stock option, when keeping the secret is extremely important? And, the death of popular people would have made 9/11 more dramatic. While W. Brown is a popular politician, his death will not shake the security of nation. If any, his death would have been used as a flavor for the future use. Those are actions that people would not take, if they ever plan to keep the secret.

So, did US know about 9/11 but let it happen? I also doubt it either, because US was just unprepared. If there is any reason for 9/11, it has to be because of oil. However, there wasn't much connection with Al Qaeda and Iraq, and that's why US attacked Afghanistan first. Then, when US tried to attack Iraq, they said Iraq are building weapons of mass destructions, which they couldn't find a trace of it in Iraq later. US looked like a complete fool after invading Iraq, and later US said they attacked Iraq to free people, which nobody bought. If I knew 9/11 would have happened and tried to use it as an advantage, I would have made a plan much smoother. I would have found a way to connect Al Qaeda and Iraq somehow or put some evidence of WMD. Or, at least avoiding invading Iraq or create a better reason to invade Iraq, so that I won't look like a complete fool at the end. US didn't even have a wit or intelligent to put some 'evidence' to make people believe that Iraq was creating WMD. I seriously doubt that they knew exactly what would have happened and tried to take an advantage in 9/11...
 
I've watched videos on the 9/11 conspiracy before and although I'm not a "conspiracy" type of person, I can honestly say it wouldn't surprise me if the United States govt. was behind it.....I mean it wouldn't be the first time our govt. has done something dirty...just take a look back at past administrations, the FBI, etc.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shard:</div><div class="quote_post">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...=loose%20change

Dunno if you guys have seen this... it's long but totally worth it. It basically uses facts and witness accounts and whatnot to try and prove that 9/11 was set up by the government not Al Qaida. It made me a believer.</div>

I've got some land to sell you....
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vintage:</div><div class="quote_post">I've got some land to sell you....</div>

I'm not a big real estate buff, thanks though.
 
I definatley think the government were behind 9/11 one way or another. They just had far too much to gain with it happening (eg. Reason to start a War, control Oil supply, put fear in the American people etc.)
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shard:</div><div class="quote_post">http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...loose change

Dunno if you guys have seen this... it's long but totally worth it. It basically uses facts and witness accounts and whatnot to try and prove that 9/11 was set up by the government not Al Qaida. It made me a believer.</div>

I think Maddox said it best. I'm one for conspiracy theories as well people, and even with the newer accusation that in fact it is an "inside job" I still can't fathom it, and I hate our current President more than anyone in the world. He has closed off the world to America, and as someone from a different country altogether I view that kind of relationship as a big "no-no."
 
He does raise some pretty good points, and I'm not saying the government were 100% behind 9/11, but I do think they had some part in it, wether they employed the terrorists to hijack the planes, or wether they knew about such plans in advance and failed to stop them, I think they had somthing to do with it. Money talks, and out of 9/11, the American government were seeing $$$.
 
Why is it that every major event that happens in US history is a government cover up?

Pearl Harbor, JFK Assassination, 9/11.
It gets a bit boring.
 
Well no one thought the government were behind Pearl Harbour, its just that apparentley they knew the attack was going to take place, they just did nothing about it. JFK isnt a government related conspiracy either, the main suspects in that conspiracy are the Mafia & KGB.
 
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