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But cities have gotten rid of their police force in the past and no war broke out...

I disagree about patience. You have to keep pushing. We should not be happy until the change is complete. As soon as we are satisfied the change will stop or even be rolled back.

i think there is a difference between being satidfied with the momes made thsi far vs being content on the continued improvement.
Meaning i would not be satisfied if ww just said, all is well now, we've done enough.
But i can be satisfied with saying we are making progress. We need to keep making progress until every detail has been addressed and possibly overhauled.
To be content with the progress happening is much different than being satisfied with what has happened.
 
I've seen no data which would suggest being a combat vet excludes you from being a good cop.

I would agree there should be additional scrutiny for ex military... But a legit psych eval and plenty of training should be more than enough.

Click the link in my post. Then when you get there click the link in the story that says:

cops who were military veterans

NVM just click this ^^
 
That has changed since 1994. Used to be a 4 year degree.
with a 4 year degree you'd be qualified to teach at the academy probably ...the degree would also fast track you to junior grade officer if you wanted a military career and you could also opt to teach at an academy there
 
These assholes and have pushed and succeeded to exempt police from the public employee vaccine mandate.

They prove everyday that their job has never been public safety. Their job is and always has been to maintain the current social order at the expense of the under class for the benefit of the upper class.
 
Not an open civil war.
There has never been an open civil war caused by shutting down a city's police department.

Nothing that anybody is advocating for is more extreme than shutting down a city's police department.

Again I ask, how is this civil war going to start? Who is going to be attacked?
 
Link? As far as I know there has never been a requirement for a four-year degree.
All I know is a few of my friends enrolled in Western Oregon to get their degree to become police officers. Early 90s. No idea of a link, shit I didn’t have a computer until 2000.
 
There has never been an open civil war caused by shutting down a city's police department.

Nothing that anybody is advocating for is more extreme than shutting down a city's police department.

Again I ask, how is this civil war going to start? Who is going to be attacked?

I thought we were discussing more than just the police? I thought we have morphed into a haves vs have nots?

shutting down the police is just one small step in the minds of some.
Gotta see the big picture of the agenda amd the potential end gMe if the opposition pushes back.
Not sure what else you are looking for. For me to detail out who fires the first shot when where and why?

Thats impossible.


All im saying is the speed in which some are demanding change would require tearing most of our government down and large corps control the government. They are not going to just let it happen. Too much money involved.

Sooo many facets make it far too complicated put a finger on one thing and say its the catalyst. However i believe the demand for instant change is not going to work.
 
I thought we were discussing more than just the police? I thought we have morphed into a haves vs have nots?

shutting down the police is just one small step in the minds of some.
Gotta see the big picture of the agenda amd the potential end gMe if the opposition pushes back.
Not sure what else you are looking for. For me to detail out who fires the first shot when where and why?

Thats impossible.


All im saying is the speed in which some are demanding change would require tearing most of our government down and large corps control the government. They are not going to just let it happen. Too much money involved.

Sooo many facets make it far too complicated put a finger on one thing and say its the catalyst. However i believe the demand for instant change is not going to work.
Yeah, not advocating ripping government down. Just getting police to be professional and actually work for the betterment of society rather than being a part of the problem.
 
Yeah, not advocating ripping government down. Just getting police to be professional and actually work for the betterment of society rather than being a part of the problem.

gotcha. I just dont think it stops there( i dont think you do either).

there are alot of intertwined messages being tossed around because so many things need fixing and some things are tied to other things which then are connected to other things, etc

it, to me, is a very complicated snd delicate situation and all I'm saying is i dont think we can just dive into the deep end head first, or it all may unravel into chaos before we know it.
Police defunding is but a small portion of the larger problem.
I stil believe the core of the problem lies much deeper than the face of our police force and in defunding the police we are just putting a facelift on a larger evil. But simultaneously alerting and this allowing that evil to counter.

With that said, i can see where some feel they don't have a voice within a democratic system until they no longer feel oppressed, considering thier number one oppressor, they feel, is the police.

To me, the push to defund the police is trying to put a bandaid on a severed limb.

The movement should be within the political system snd get elected those who want and will instill a change.
Forced change through violence has never worked snd i don't see it working in the long run now.
To me, the movement would be much more stable and long lasting, if it were done within the system.
The founding principles of this country were not wrong, its just the founding fathers felt those principles were only for certain people. But when we take that away that disgusting prejudice and provide those principles to all, we are still the greatest country ever, for that reason.
No other country in history has ever put down any rights of the people until we did. Did they do it perfectly? No. But they were on the right track.
 
gotcha. I just dont think it stops there( i dont think you do either).

there are alot of intertwined messages being tossed around because so many things need fixing and some things are tied to other things which then are connected to other things, etc

it, to me, is a very complicated snd delicate situation and all I'm saying is i dont think we can just dive into the deep end head first, or it all may unravel into chaos before we know it.
Police defunding is but a small portion of the larger problem.
I stil believe the core of the problem lies much deeper than the face of our police force and in defunding the police we are just putting a facelift on a larger evil. But simultaneously alerting and this allowing that evil to counter.

With that said, i can see where some feel they don't have a voice within a democratic system until they no longer feel oppressed, considering thier number one oppressor, they feel, is the police.

To me, the push to defund the police is trying to put a bandaid on a severed limb.

The movement should be within the political system snd get elected those who want and will instill a change.
Forced change through violence has never worked snd i don't see it working in the long run now.
To me, the movement would be much more stable and long lasting, if it were done within the system.
The founding principles of this country were not wrong, its just the founding fathers felt those principles were only for certain people. But when we take that away that disgusting prejudice and provide those principles to all, we are still the greatest country ever, for that reason.
No other country in history has ever put down any rights of the people until we did. Did they do it perfectly? No. But they were on the right track.
But nobody is advocating for a violent overthrow of the police. Just to get them to actually serve and protect or if they don't do that, they lose their job.

The police and judicial system are the tool that holds the downtrodden down.
 
But nobody is advocating for a violent overthrow of the police. Just to get them to actually serve and protect or if they don't do that, they lose their job.

The police and judicial system are the tool that holds the downtrodden down.

im sorry but the last 18 months show Differently. One need look no further than the attempted arsen of police headquarters in portland to see that some people absolutely are fine with a violent overthrow.
Lets be real here when we say no one. Thats bs. There are some people.
 
im sorry but the last 18 months show Differently. One need look no further than the attempted arsen of police headquarters in portland to see that some people absolutely are fine with a violent overthrow.
Lets be real here when we say no one. Thats bs. There are some people.
Nobody in this conversation. Nobody that anybody takes seriously. Nobody in here supported arson of the police headquarters or wanted anybody hurt. The fire at the police headquarters was put out by the protesters, just like every other fire that was started in Portland.

Pretending anybody in here or a large portion of people support those actions is incredibly counterproductive, IMO.
 
Nobody in this conversation. Nobody that anybody takes seriously. Nobody in here supported arson of the police headquarters or wanted anybody hurt. The fire at the police headquarters was put out by the protesters, just like every other fire that was started in Portland.

Pretending anybody in here or a large portion of people support those actions is incredibly counterproductive, IMO.

well i wasnt meaning people in this conversation would start a war.
But there are people out on the streets who want this. On both sides.

I kinda figured it an assumed consensus no one here was talking about people in here, but talking of people out there.
 
well i wasnt meaning people in this conversation would start a war.
But there are people out on the streets who want this. On both sides.

I kinda figured it an assumed consensus no one here was talking about people in here, but talking of people out there.
Yes, I'm sure some people somewhere want a war. But not many people. I'm sure some people somewhere want the whole system burned down violently.

But not many people. Certainly not most of the protesters (who are obviously the most motivated people to get reform in our area), since they kept putting the fires out.

There will be no civil war. People should certainly keep pushing hard for change until enough change has been enacted that the weak are no longer targeted by those we pay to protect them.
 
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Yes, I'm sure some people somewhere want a war. But not many people. I'm sure some people somewhere want the whole system burned down violently.

But not many people. Certainly not most of the protesters (who are obviously the most motivated people to get reform in our area), since they kept putting the fires out.

okay but i can say the same about police. Sure some are racist and want to instill their hatred, but not many. How many racist reports? How many employed officers?

Were gonna go round and round.

I stated my opinion which is, if we arent careful and we try to speed things up for instant change and equality, we are doomed.
 
okay but i can say the same about police. Sure some are racist and want to instill their hatred, but not many. How many racist reports? How many employed officers?

Were gonna go round and round.

I stated my opinion which is, if we arent careful and we try to speed things up for instant change and equality, we are doomed.
It doesn't matter. They are responsible and we pay them. The good ones will not have a problem with the changes because it will make their actual job easier. And the reward will be higher.

The only going around and around is you making a claim which isn't supported by reality. And refusing to look at reality. This is another case of you wanting to believe something because you simply want to believe it.

It's not logical.
 
It doesn't matter. They are responsible and we pay them. The good ones will not have a problem with the changes because it will make their actual job easier. And the reward will be higher.

The only going around and around is you making a claim which isn't supported by reality. And refusing to look at reality. This is another case of you wanting to believe something because you simply want to believe it.

It's not logical.

okay. And i can say its not logical to think there wont be push back.
Its all assumptions.
You seem believe all will be kumbaya and i think thats not logical.
 
okay. And i can say its not logical to think there wont be push back.
Its all assumptions.
You seem believe all will be kumbaya and i think thats not logical.
I didn't say there wouldn't be pushback. We're seeing pushback now. Hence the police not doing their job.

The only people who want civil war are the right wing nut jobs who supported the attempted insurrection on the capital.

That's who you sound like.

But when people vote in leaders who hold cops accountable, or at worst, shut down the city police department or simply enforce a nationwide standard certificate system for police which can be revoked upon ruling of unprofessional behavior. Who are those nut jobs going to attack? The state police who take over? Are they going to attack county or state buildings because a cop can no longer be a police officer after shooting or beating a black kid?

I'm asking you to think logically about this rather than just throwing out threats of civil war. Civil War with who? Police, KKK, Boogaloo Boys and Proud Boys against who?

I'm simply asking for any scenario which seems reasonable to you. I'm not asking you to predict the exact future. If civil war is inevitable if we force fast change there must be dozens of ways it could start.

Just actually try to step through a logical chain of events that would have to happen to get to the point of civil war by giving everybody Universal Healthcare, universal community college, and firing/prosecuting law enforcement who abuse their position of power, over say, the next decade.

Walk as through a reasonable progression.
 
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All I know is a few of my friends enrolled in Western Oregon to get their degree to become police officers. Early 90s. No idea of a link, shit I didn’t have a computer until 2000.

There has never been a degree requirement. It has always been optional:

Step 1. Meet Minimum Eligibility Requirements

Before applying for Portland police jobs, you must first ensure you meet minimum eligibility requirements. All candidates for Portland police jobs, at the time of testing, must possess a high school diploma or GED; they must be at least 21 years old; and they must have at least ONE of the following:
  • A POST certificate accepted by the State or Oregon Department of Public Safety Standards and Training
  • Three years of continuous service as a police officer in another police agency (must have been employed there within the last six months)
  • Two years of active duty or four years of reserve military duty with an honorable discharge
  • Two years of continuous service for an law enforcement (police) agency
  • An associate’s degree or at least 60 semester hours (90 quarter hours) from an accredited college or university
  • Two years of continuous service in any law enforcement agency within the state of Oregon
  • Two years of service as a reserve police officer or police cadet
You never have needed a degree. 2-3 years of beating the shit outta black people in is all you need.
There's an incentive for ex military and I'm staunchly against it. And no I don't need some link to bring up statistics. It's my belief.
 

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