Notice Addressing the drama in the OT section this weekeend

[ABM]

You are quoting the wrong one on that my friend. I have reached out with an olive branch more times than i can count. .

Sorry...I couldn't resist....

 

[Orion Bailey]

Here's what you said "good thing it wasnt for you then huh?" That means that only the person addressed should have anything to do with the post other than read it. I interpret that as a private conversation. You were saying that the respondent shouldn't be responding to you since he disagreed, apparently to me. Again, I think of this as a private message.

But I can see we're not going to have a meeting of the minds and at this point we are spinning our wheels.

Lanny i smiled right after that. Im sorry. I failed to use green font. It was a joke....
If i actually thought that i wouldn't have answer him.
Fair?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Some pranks are funny. Some are not.

Never happened.

I posted my real phone number on the old board when I wanted to fight Papa G. I've told other people to come to Vegas if they wanted to talk shit.

But, I apparently tried to talk someone else into anonymously ratting HCP out to the Blazers.

That's the dumbest shit ever posted on this forum. I have email and internet myself. Don't need to talk someone else into doing it.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Never happened.

I posted my real phone number on the old board when I wanted to fight Papa G. I've told other people to come to Vegas if they wanted to talk shit.

But, I apparently tried to talk someone else into anonymously ratting HCP out to the Blazers.

That's the dumbest shit ever posted on this forum. I have email and internet myself. Don't need to talk someone else into doing it.

and ill add that i also have emIl. I have a Blazers rep for my season tickets. If HCP had ever seriously pissed me off i wouldnt need someone to prompt a joke to go tattling on him.

when it was eluded to me this happened i didn't at first believe it because of how it casually cMe up instead of addressed on the spot.
But then after discussing it more recently, it was reaffirmed with seriousness that it had happened.
But now look at my next post....

 

[Orion Bailey]

Why dont you end this shit right now.
You dont need to say who, but did someone actually write a letter about you?

*crickets chirping*


Telling.......

 

[jonnyboy]

What if it made him preemptively go to his employers to "get ahead" of the situation?

Man.......this actually made me chuckle a little bit I’m not gonna lie.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

*crickets chirping*


Telling.......

TBF I dont think Sly’s really even been on since early this afternoon.

 

[Hobbesarable]

My God... Fascinating.

I thought Game of Thrones was over.

More like Big Brother. Haha

 

[Stevenson]

HCP is just about the only one here who is transparent about who he is and where he works. Most people here act like dicks because they can hide behind Internet anonymity. Going to someone's boss about what someone wrote on a basketball forum is such an asshole move. Even joking about it is an asshole move.

 

[Hobbesarable]

My opinion is that if you try to make someone think you are trying to get them fired it is wrong. I don't care about the circumstances. It is wrong.

I've worked with a couple people like that. They only made themselves look like d bags. And I got to laugh my ass off.

 

[Hobbesarable]

And that's exactly why I declined on doing the joke. didn't want it to get twisted and have him actually get in trouble, or like you said, try to get ahead. But if we are going to start passing judgment over what someone thinks versus how they act, thats a slippery slope.

Ever thought of how another mans wife might look naked?

Ever thought a person should be punched in the face for something?

Ever seen the movie minority report?

To pass judgement on me over this is not right. I had a thought, someone else had the same. we didn't act on it. But yet i'm being prosecuted.

Cool.

Is it cool to joke about killing someone? Answer honestly please. Because the guy you are defending made that joke a week or so ago in this forum. When I called him on it, he tried to make it a drama fest... again.

There are some forum members I have respect for and will continue to do so, but there is a bias from some of them that is clear as day.

I use such circumstances to know who are friends or whom I can trust. It has worked for me.

 

[Orion Bailey]

TBF I dont think Sly’s really even been on since early this afternoon.

yeah but my statement i quoted was to hcp who was on ten minutes before.

im over it. People can believe what they believe. i didn't do shit but have a discussion about playing a prank.
no prank was made.

People can pass judgement how they please.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

yeah but my statement i quoted was to hcp who was on ten minutes before.

im over it. People can believe what they believe. i didn't do shit but have a discussion about playing a prank.
no prank was made.

People can pass judgement how they please.

I thought you were talking to sly, my bad.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I use such circumstances to know who are friends or whom I can trust. It has worked for me.

not sure i follow as i said alot in that post you quoted Hobbes.
Did you mean those who follow thru with thoughts vs those that dont or having thoughts period?

 

[Orion Bailey]

I thought you were talking to sly, my bad.

He is not going to be happy reading all this. Lol.

 

[Hobbesarable]

not sure i follow as i said alot in that post you quoted Hobbes.
Did you mean those who follow thru with thoughts vs those that dont or having thoughts period?

We can talk more about this later. And I would not do it justice with just a short post.

There is a lot to dissect. Let's just say I agree with you.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

He is not going to be happy reading all this. Lol.

lol, I haven't been happy either reading all this.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

HCP is just about the only one here who is transparent about who he is and where he works. Most people here act like dicks because they can hide behind Internet anonymity. Going to someone's boss about what someone wrote on a basketball forum is such an asshole move. Even joking about it is an asshole move.

Lying about it to the forum that we actually did such a thing is fine though amirite?

Posting gas chamber jokes is fine...don't see you condemning that.

To recap...having the idea and only the idea to bust HCPs balls because he was a dick to people is HORRRRRRIBLE.

Being a dick to people is fine.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

Greetings and happy holidays to everyone. Seems like we've had a ton of drama in the off topic section of the forum that needs to be addressed. Some of it you guys know about it and some of it only I and the people directly involved do. Time to bring everyone up to speed and to clear some misconceptions up.

@Lanny please do not post racial slurs in the forum again. I don't care what the reason is. That is not acceptable. Since there is someone demanding you be banned and claiming that I won't do it since we're friends I will state publicly, if you do it one more time I will ban you for a month, if you do it after that I will ban you forever. This follows the exact same order of events we took when someone else continued to post the N word in game threads.

@Fez Forthright I closed your thread because come on, that was a bait/troll thread. It wasn't about MMA or that fight, it was to provoke a reaction from Trump supporters. As clearly shown by the arguments that followed you were very successful stirring shit up. I would consider that a win for you. We really don't need anymore wins like that around here.

@Cupwizer props to you for digging up that old email from 10 years ago and using it to send me your insulting rant. I'm giving you a week away from this place for you to rethink how you interact with some of the members of this forum and the staff on here. I will say you are great for reporting posts. A huge thank you for that, it truly makes things easier for staff to respond to problems in the forum. What I do not appreciate is you using the reporting feature as some sort of weird justification to insult others. Too many times have I gone to a post that you've reported and agreed with you that it is a personal insult only to see that you've insulted them right back AFTER you've reported the post. Really? It doesn't work like that. And clearly you understand what a personal insult is because you've accurately reported it yet you still insult someone back?!? The personal insults need to stop, the picking at people and engaging only to argue with them needs to stop.

Now for the reason I gave you a week long vacation from this place, you complained and complained about staff, then argued with them, and then started trolling them by repeatedly making threads similar to the ones that were just closed. I can not tell you guys enough, when you work hard to provoke a reaction you don't get to pick what that reaction will be. I had 3 staff members actively trying to put out forum fires and you're lighting more. I ended that.

@MARIS61 your continued accusations and lies about me really hurt. We were not in an argument, and I didn't ban you because you won this fictitious argument. You were banned because of personal insults to members of the forum and staff. Now I understand that you claim otherwise but lets see if you really believe that. I have no interest in digging through old posts of yours for insults. Most are edited or deleted but I know I left some because you have a problem not owning your shit.

If you agree to the rules and outcome of this game I propose the following forum game:

I will offer $5 per post of yours that anyone finds that is a personal insult. Once 4 personal insults are found I will ban you forever. If no personal insults are found I will donate $50 to the charity (charities only, no political donations) of your choice. So, if it's true as you claim, that you've never ever ever posted a personal insult in this forum you should have nothing to worry about. The only thing that happens is a charity of yours gets $50 richer. If you agree to that then I will make a thread outlining the rules and unleashing anyone who wants to make a few extra bucks. Also, I will post the moderator logs from every thread an insult is found in so there is no claims that your posts were edited and an insult was added.

@MarAzul you have a serious problem with personal insults, especially against staff. I've talked with you about this multiple times both publicly and privately. I've edited posts, deleted posts, temporarily banned you from threads, permanently banned you from threads, and even temporarily banned you from the forum. I've really tried everything. @Chris Craig or any other member of the forum have not abused their special mod powers nor have they ever used their mod powers unjustly against you. I have tried every way and thing I can think of to get you to stop insulting forum members and staff. I have failed. From the angry email you sent me last night to the phone call you had Mags make to me it sounds like you're done with the place anyways. Good luck to you, may you have many amazing adventures in that beautiful boat you built.

@bodyman5000 and 1 where do I even begin? Let me start off with that you are truly one of my most favorite members on here. You are extremely intelligent, more intelligent than I think even you realize. But the way you instigate behind the scenes is truly masterful and yet a bit concerning at times. But that is one of the reasons why I enjoy you so much. While others come straight at a person, you have this unique way of trying to get someone while they're not looking. It's something that I appreciate because at different times in my life where I've had to do something similar.

I must say, though it really didn't involve me, it wasn't against forum rules, and I didn't truly find out about this until this past month, your campaign via PMs to get HCP fired was masterful yet disturbing. It was also concerning. There is nothing that HCP has said or done to anyone on here that merits him losing his job. To try and talk someone else into emailing the Blazers to get him in trouble is a shitty thing to do don't you think? To try and escalate things to such an extreme is... ummm... odd.

Also, while I only saw the reports and have not read the entirety or context (yes, I used context intentionally. lol) of what was said between you two, you sending PMs to Lanny telling him you wanted him dead is again, very extreme and concerning. Now if you remember I did PM you asking about this and you never replied. It was shortly after that you started your "long goodbye" campaign of telling us weekly that you don't post here anymore and how much this place and certain people suck.

Since you have sent Lanny's post to certain Blazer advertisers I too have a screen grab of Lanny's post that I am going to send to the Blazers tomorrow along with your PMs about trying to get others to try and get HCP fired and hopefully, if @Lanny isn't too upset with me over my post to him tonight, he will send me the emails you sent to him wanting him dead. I think it will provide the Blazers a more complete overview of the interactions, why you're upset, and some of the email campaigns you've tried to instigate in the past. Also I will be showing them the actions that staff took concerning Lanny's post and that he was officially warned that is not acceptable behavior in the forum.

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To everyone else, this is more FYI, I instruct our staff to act more like firemen than policemen. I find this is the best way to promote healthy discussions and debates. Again, forums are boring and useless if everyone agrees. It's the different opinions and beliefs that make forums engaging and fun. There are some who just don't understand this and will unleash personal insults when someone doesn't agree with their specific belief. It's also why there is no agenda against people with certain political affiliations. Go to some of the bigger forums, ones that have subforums for specific political beliefs. BORING! No real debate or discussions, just a circle jerk of agreement. We do not have that here. And because we don't have that here we have some very vigorous and informative discussions and debates. I think that's great. Please, remember this when you get upset with subjects and/or people in the forum or the actions of staff. Often, they are just trying to end the arguments, not to play forum cop. On rare occasions they may get something wrong or do something that you feel is an overreaction. Always feel free to PM me and/or them. I have found all of them to be very receptive and respectful in explaining why they took the actions that they did. Also, it's perfectly okay that you may not agree with them. No one is asking you to. We're only asking is that you understand that we have people who put in hours of their personal time to make this place enjoyable for all.

WOW...

You miss a lot when you can't devote 24 hours a day, seven days a week to this place.

Wow............

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hi, just got home. It's been a long and busy day but trust me all of you were not far from my thoughts.

I will do my best to reply to all of the comments after I have some dinner.

Also the Blazers gave me a bunch of tickets for Wednesday night's game that I need to give out.

 

[ABM]

Also the Blazers gave me a bunch of tickets for Wednesday night's game that I need to give out.

This is the wrong thread for that type of generosity.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

People on this site know who I am. They have my personal info. I've posted pics of things I shouldn't have here that one could easily use to find me.

Hell, being totally off the wall someone here could have used my info to rat out HCP.

After HCP mildly seemed in my opinion to threaten Orion Bailey for just joking about doing it I'm mildly worried that HCP might come after me next time he's in Vegas for a fight.

Hadn't really thought about that but now I'm kinda afraid.

I have no idea who you are. I don't know your name, phone number, or address. All I do know is that you live in Las Vegas and that we were once going to meet up, didn't work, but I did offer you some Blue Man tickets.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I have no idea who you are. I don't know your name, phone number, or address. All I do know is that you live in Las Vegas and that we were once going to meet up, didn't work, but I did offer you some Blue Man tickets.

Yes, and I thought you were butthurt about me not wanting your tickets. I pm'd you thinking I hurt your feelings and you never responded.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Here is me coming up with the idea and here is the guy I gave the idea saying he WAS NOT going to do it. View attachment 29014 View attachment 29015

Didn't happen but you guys keep pretending it did.

Someone did write the Blazers from the forum complaining about HCP's posts. That is 100% a fact.

I did not see what was written, I have no idea who wrote it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Someone did write the Blazers from the forum complaining about HCP's posts. That is 100% a fact.

I did not see what was written, I have no idea who wrote it.

You pretty much said I'm responsible for it. I am not sure how you know it to be 100 percent fact without seeing it with your own eyes.

I told HCP not to post personal stuff in the forum because that could happen. You don't have to be Nostradamus to see it coming.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yes, and I thought you were butthurt about me not wanting your tickets. I pm'd you thinking I hurt your feelings and you never responded.

Not butthurt at all. We were running crazy. It was my woman's birthday, Luxor gave us the tickets when she went to the player's desk to get her free play for her birthday. We had planned on going but Marverick called and said we had to bump up our night flight helicopter trip time over the strip. Nothing to be mad about. We were just busy. I don't even remember you sending another PM. I apologize for not getting back to you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You pretty much said I'm responsible for it. I am not sure how you know it to be 100 percent fact without seeing it with your own eyes.

I told HCP not to post personal stuff in the forum because that could happen. You don't have to be Nostradamus to see it coming.

I don't know who is responsible for it. Just like I don't know who sent the Blazers an email yesterday or today.

Are you responsible? You're the one of thought of it, you're the who made the suggestion in a PM, that suggestion was posted in the main forum. Do I know if it was you? No. I honestly was shocked when I was told it was your original idea.

Whether joking or serious, that's extreme. Going after someone's job, or making them think you're going after their job is mean.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So WTF is seriously going on in here???

Has my name been cleared yet?

I just now read some of this and will finished this evening.



For the record, for the thousandth time.....

The only time I ever discussed anything like this with someone else was with Body and it had nothing to do with contacting the Blazers. It had everything to do with making HCP THINK someone had. But in the end, I didnt want to becuase I didnt want him to unintentionally get in trouble. Do I need to do screen shots to the public now on that convo as well?


If someone actually did contact the Blazers, its nothing I would support or defend. Thats going overboard to me.


I hope I read soon where my name has been cleared of this bullshit.

1. I did not bring up your name, we've discussed this many times in PM and I completely believe you when you say you didn't send anything.

2. I also pretty much know it wasn't you because in reading your passionate replies both privately and publicly about this I now realize that any complaint from you would have been about 200-300 pages long. You can be a bit long in your replies. And yes, I'm teasing you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So I have a question for the admins of this site.
So @SlyPokerDog @Denny Crane
The rest of the admins need not respond as I have little to no interest in reading what they have to say.
I've made this clear to Sly the last time we met in person. He does very well not wielding his powers with emotion. The rest of the crew doesn't.
(tbf doesn't count as that crew because I don't visit this site as often due to life. Meaning I've had very few interactions with him)
Anyway.

iirc sabons or whatever the exact spelling was... He got banned after posting a slur about the former Ducks coach who got fired.(maybe it wasn't the former Ducks coach? but it was some college football coach)
Now personally I would've booted him instantly without the need to say 'don't do it again'.
But he was warned, his post edited and iirc about 8 hours later after there was a huge fit thrown(rightfully so because I was personally thinking wtf are the admins doing not instantly banning instead choosing to give a warning) by a certain member of this forum. This sabonis guy did it again. Twice iirc.
He was then banned.

So onto my question.
Are you able to explain why exactly the official site of the portland trail blazers are giving out warnings for people who clearly break the ToS?
Now it's been quite awhile since I've even skimmed the ToS as my account has been around quite a while.
But I can only assume that if someone breaks the ToS and uses a slur that would be considered a bannable offense and no warning needed. Regardless of context.
Why don't you just ban people for breaking the ToS and move on? You're not paid to do this job, you volunteer.
The only thing not banning people who use slurs/post offensive jokes allows is confusion. Which leads to drama because then you have people(who in your own words) get very good at attacking the post. Not the poster.
I get it being all inclusive is a good thing. If all people were like that irl, the world would have less hate. But if someone spews hate the only way to stop it is to treat it like a virus and give it no platform to fester.

@SlyPokerDog long ago when you found out what my eventual(completed now) PHD was going to be in. You made a joke in a dm to me 'you'd make a great moderator'. I laughed, because I never thought so, nor do I think so now.
At the end of the day, I guess I don't understand why when someone breaks the ToS they get a warning. Instead of at the very least a temp ban.


@julius the internet is far from anonymous. You're attached to the words you type down through your account.
I've had members of this site enroll their child in a program I'm attached to irl.(as well as continue to enroll their child in said programs.)
The internet isn't anonymous anymore than phone calls are.

I always try to treat this place more as a community than just an internet forum. Because that I will always try to work with people when there is a problem. IMO, banning should always be the last action taken, not the first. People have bad days.

Also, it's not always black or white. You bring up Sinobas, I don't ever recall him being a problem or getting into continuous arguments with people. He had a few 1000 posts, participated in forum contests, he was an active member who seemed to enjoy the forum. Then he posted the N word in the game thread. If he had been a brand new member with just a few posts I would have instantly banned him. Just like I instantly banned people when the T-wolf trolls were posting dick pics of Oden in here. They were new members and their first post was a picture of Oden's penis. They have no interest in being members here.

The 2nd time Sinobas posted the N word Denny talked to him.

The 3rd time we banned him.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Random thoughts:

Being a mod must suck donkey balls. I don't know why any sane person would take the job and I appreciate the people who take the job on.

I can see where HCP's "shut up rookie" schtick rubs people the wrong way. OTOH, is he any worse than some of the other fake personas around here? (and for the record, yes, I really am this grumpy about the team in real life) I don't get the animosity he seems to draw.

Messing with somebody's job over their opinions on basketball would be seriously messed up. Being falsely accused of doing that would be messed up. If Sly says it happened, I believe him. If Orion and Bodyman say it wasn't them, I will give them the benefit of the doubt as well. Defending yourself, justifying your words/actions, and arguing who is to blame is a natural reaction...but at some point it becomes counter-productive.

One final note; when I came back to the forum after an extended exile, one of the posters in this thread greeted my first post back by telling me to "get out of here." Fortunately, I figured out it was intended as a joke and the poster didn't know his comment would strike a particular nerve with me. I'm glad the thing didn't turn into an extended blood feud, as the poster in question seems like a nice guy. Not every ill-considered comment on this forum is a personal attack.