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Natebishop3 said:
We don’t need scoot to be our best player though. I want him to embrace his pure point guard. Let Shae be HIM.
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This.

Scoot can be your best player and you can win with your best player being a PG. It's just hard to win when your PG is your go-to scorer. Scoot just needs to elevate the players around him, pick his own moments, and have a good enough cast around him that makes shots and meshes on defense.

Ironically, our current coach is the best example of this. Chauncey was the best player on those great Piston teams. Not by a lot, but everything revolved around him. He was the second-best scorer to Rip Hamilton, he dished out an ungodly number of assists, averaged more than a steal per game, shot an effective FG% of better than 50 and went on to a better career with other teams -- his career win shares basically equals Hamilton and Prince combined.

Shaedon will be the leading scorer and the guy getting most of the highlights if this rebuild succeeds. Scoot will be great and eventually recognized for that greatness and will make everyone around him better.
 
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And, I guess a lot of people forget Steph when they say you can't win an NBA title with your PG as your best player. Again, he has some pretty good players around him, but it's hard to say he's not the best Warrior player. He's the first guy you prepare for and say we don't want this guy to beat us.
 
I think Scoot's going to be very good (or great).

it's hard to imagine two high-level guards on the same team at almost the same age but I think that's what is going to happen.
 
PCmor7 said:
I think that's what you're getting but this version is worlds more athletic and can create better shots for himself and finish better at the rim if he plays to his potential.
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Hopefully a better shooter I remember Kidd struggling with outside shot but was so good it didn’t matter. Memory is foggy but believe he was damn good defender too.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Hopefully a better shooter I remember Kidd struggling with outside shot but was so good it didn’t matter. Memory is foggy but believe he was damn good defender too.
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And hopefully not getting into soap operas involving teammates and their wives, too.
 
TBpup said:
Done in an entertaining manner. Really gets to the part about smaller PG's leading their teams to the CF's as the best player on their team. That was and has been my point about Dame for years. Great player, but it's a historical anomaly to achieve that highest level of success. Hopefully, Scoot is a great PG that has and equal or better player on his team. IMO, that is the only way he achieves that level of success as well.

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Oh boy…

here. we. go.
 
TBpup said:
Done in an entertaining manner. Really gets to the part about smaller PG's leading their teams to the CF's as the best player on their team. That was and has been my point about Dame for years. Great player, but it's a historical anomaly to achieve that highest level of success. Hopefully, Scoot is a great PG that has and equal or better player on his team. IMO, that is the only way he achieves that level of success as well.

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I actually think Sharpe will be our best player, with Scoot being 1a or 2.
 
maxiep said:
I actually think Sharpe will be our best player, with Scoot being 1a or 2.
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I hope so I still have a little reservation about Sharpes drive to not only be good but great. Where as Scoot seems to be obsessed with being great. Future looks bright if they stay on track and stay healthy.
 
I kind of agree with ya Maxi - I do not see Scoot and see a Dame type player I kind of see more like a prime Rose or maybe Billups type player and maybe that is why they fell in love with him. I think they see a Billups / Rip combo in Scoot and Sharpe only with Sharpe being better but you get the point. I know some might want Ant traded and I do think next summer we could see that happen to balance the roster more but right now the Blazers need Ant and Grant to be the leaders of this team while the young pups get there feet under them.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
I kind of agree with ya Maxi - I do not see Scoot and see a Dame type player I kind of see more like a prime Rose or maybe Billups type player and maybe that is why they fell in love with him. I think they see a Billups / Rip combo in Scoot and Sharpe only with Sharpe being better but you get the point. I know some might want Ant traded and I do think next summer we could see that happen to balance the roster more but right now the Blazers need Ant and Grant to be the leaders of this team while the young pups get there feet under them.
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I'm going to pull my hair out if Ant is in the starting lineup. He needs to be coming off the bench behind Scoot and Shae.
 
maxiep said:
Start pulling.
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Yeah, the team will start the season with the three guard lineup if Ant is on the team. One, you can't bury a trade asset on the bench behind two rookies. Two, you need distance shooting to spread the court, and we traded everyone else with range away. Three, you never know, they might strike gold out there. Four, if your team is going to be bad anyway, you might as well put young and exciting guys out there and try to sell tickets that way. Six, everyone deserves a shot to play meaningful minutes without Dame on a post-Dame team. We don't even know what we have because we're going to be a different team with Scoot running the show instead of Dame.

Ant might not be on the team in March, but he will start in October.
 
PCmor7 said:
This.

Scoot can be your best player and you can win with your best player being a PG. It's just hard to win when your PG is your go-to scorer. Scoot just needs to elevate the players around him, pick his own moments, and have a good enough cast around him that makes shots and meshes on defense.

Ironically, our current coach is the best example of this. Chauncey was the best player on those great Piston teams. Not by a lot, but everything revolved around him. He was the second-best scorer to Rip Hamilton, he dished out an ungodly number of assists, averaged more than a steal per game, shot an effective FG% of better than 50 and went on to a better career with other teams -- his career win shares basically equals Hamilton and Prince combined.

Shaedon will be the leading scorer and the guy getting most of the highlights if this rebuild succeeds. Scoot will be great and eventually recognized for that greatness and will make everyone around him better.
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Of course, they wouldn’t have won shit without Sheed. In the aftermath of their title win, both Billups and Larry Brown said Sheed was the #1 reason they won the championship.
 
illmatic99 said:
Some great quotes

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Absolutely. Thanks for passing it along.

The quotes regarding Anfernee at the end were quite interesting as well. I don't know how much to read into them at this point, but they are certainly presented as if Billups believes that Ant will be a legitimately important piece moving forward. Again... could all be coach speak, but I will also admit that I am still curious what Ant will look like now that he will be fully out from underneath Dame's shadow next year.
 
Graduate32 said:
Absolutely. Thanks for passing it along.

The quotes regarding Anfernee at the end were quite interesting as well. I don't know how much to read into them at this point, but they are certainly presented as if Billups believes that Ant will be a legitimately important piece moving forward. Again... could all be coach speak, but I will also admit that I am still curious what Ant will look like now that he will be fully out from underneath Dame's shadow next year.
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Yeah fuck that.....

“We don’t know how the Dame situation is going to play out,” Billups said. “But you got Anf Simons over here who I’ve also been pouring into the last couple of years. If you look at where he is at this point of his career, I think it will be a great opportunity. If it is that way, Scoot can learn from Anf similar to how Anf learned from Dame. So, I don’t think the urgency is there at all …

“[Simons] is All-Star potential, All-Star close already. There are some people that [Henderson] can learn from, which is great.”
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah fuck that.....

“We don’t know how the Dame situation is going to play out,” Billups said. “But you got Anf Simons over here who I’ve also been pouring into the last couple of years. If you look at where he is at this point of his career, I think it will be a great opportunity. If it is that way, Scoot can learn from Anf similar to how Anf learned from Dame. So, I don’t think the urgency is there at all …

“[Simons] is All-Star potential, All-Star close already. There are some people that [Henderson] can learn from, which is great.”
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Why? Ant had Dame like stats and impact when he was featured in a primary role. I want to see this too. Scoot is a natural playmaker. I think he/ant/shaedon can absolutely coexist.
 
illmatic99 said:
Why? Ant had Dame like stats and impact when he was featured in a primary role. I want to see this too. Scoot is a natural playmaker. I think he/ant/shaedon can absolutely coexist.
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Yeah.... but that was when Ant was the point guard. The lead guard. The main dude.

I don't want that. I want Scoot and Shae. Let the era of the Slash Bros begin!
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Yeah.... but that was when Dame was the point guard. The lead guard. The main dude.

I don't want that. I want Scoot and Shae. Let the era of the Slash Bros begin!
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I would not underestimate Ant. And 2/3 is interchangeable in Chaunceys system so Shaedon should be fine. We dont care about defense and winning this yr any way. Just let em cook on offense and see what we have.
 
illmatic99 said:
I would not underestimate Ant. And 2/3 is interchangeable in Chaunceys system so Shaedon should be fine. We dont care about defense and winning this yr any way. Just let em cook on offense and see what we have.
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Gah..... I meant my post to say that was when ANT was the point guard, lead guard, main dude.

I know there's a good chance that we see Scoot/Ant/Sharpe in the starting lineup. I would just rather try to set the tone now about what type of team we want to be. I want a hard nosed, up tempo, defensive minded team. I don't see Ant doing that.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Gah..... I meant my post to say that was when ANT was the point guard, lead guard, main dude.

I know there's a good chance that we see Scoot/Ant/Sharpe in the starting lineup. I would just rather try to set the tone now about what type of team we want to be. I want a hard nosed, up tempo, defensive minded team. I don't see Ant doing that.
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Scoot and Sharpe are terrible defensively and will be for the near future.
 
illmatic99 said:
Scoot and Sharpe are terrible defensively and will be for the near future.
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Exactly. I don't want to continue that trend. Remove any of the players from the past who were part of that Terry Stotts school of defense.
 
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