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People keep talking Chris Paul, but I'm seeing a lot of KJ in the pull-up game. Of course, physically they're nothing similar - physically Scoot reminds me of a taller Tim Hardaway (Sr.).
 
People keep talking Chris Paul, but I'm seeing a lot of KJ in the pull-up game. Of course, physically they're nothing similar - physically Scoot reminds me of a taller Tim Hardaway (Sr.).
I see a pre-injury Derrick Rose as being the closest. I do see a lot of Kevin Johnson, however. The similarities with Paul are his mid-range and change-of-pace moves. He's much more explosive than Paul, but not as crafty.

I'm just happy we're using comps like these. Even reaching 75% of any of the aforementioned would be a huge win.
 
How do you figure 2 would be playing out of position? There are 96 guard minutes? Why wouldn't at least two be playing their primary position the majority of the time?

Also, do we know that Scoot and Shaedon are going to be bad defenders? I don't think they profile that way, they're just green.

We've never seen Ant play with a real PG. He could look great with better catch and shoot opportunities than he's had with Dame.

While it's understandable to express strong resistance by saying "under NO CIRCUMSTANCES," it's pretty dramatic. I think it's important to remember that there are always circumstances in which a particular decision can be justified. This allows for a more comprehensive evaluation of a situation and the potential consequences of different choices.

In your example, if a circumstance existed where 100 children would perish in a bus crash off a cliff, it becomes evident that pursuing a different circumstance would be the morally correct choice. This demonstrates how circumstances can drastically influence the outcome of decisions.

Adopting a more open-minded approach enables us to adapt, learn, and make more informed choices. It fosters empathy, understanding, and the ability to see beyond our initial beliefs. Embracing the idea that circumstances matter encourages personal growth, enhances problem-solving skills, and promotes a more harmonious and compassionate society.

The only way to play all 3 is to play 2 of them out of position.

Scoot and Simons are both 1s; although you could argue Simons is a "2" in a "1s" body, the counter is that a vast majority of his "high-level" play has been when he played the 1 albeit with a horrific AST:TO.
Sharpe is a 2.

Scoot / Ant / Sharpe / ?? / ?? = 2 of them are playing out of position. Obviously, you could bring Simons or Scoot off the bench, as I've been advocating for a while, but as many people have noted, "that's not going to happen". Also, note I said "LONG TERM". Which means in 3 years do you think one of Scoot / Ant is going to be coming off the bench? Don't think so.

Everything up to this point indicates that they are bad defenders. Could that change? Sure, but if we are operating in reality, we aren't playing the "they could be this or that" game. They are what they are until they prove otherwise.

This brings me back to my original point. Under no circumstances do I want to continue playing 2 players out of position and 3 really bad defenders long-term. And it's a forum, of course, it's meant to be dramatic. If 2 of them grew and 2 of them became elite defenders, sure, that would change the scenario, but the circumstance is the same ... because that's not 3 no-defense guards and 2 out of position. So correct, there is nothing that could happen in the entire world in which I would want to continue playing 2 players out of position and 3 really bad defenders long term.

And your whole perish off a bus is a load of bullshit. Really? Do you think someone is going to threaten to drive a bus off a cliff if the Blazers don't change their basketball lineup? That's not a realistic circumstance. I'm going to blow up the entire world unless you give me $10,000,000 dollars by next week. What's your decision? I bet it's pretty easy because that's not realistic.
 
Fair enough. I hope the FO is closer to my opinion than yours, but time will tell.

FWIW, I don't think Sharpe at the #2 or #3 position changes anything for his development, frankly, it might actually help him to play against bigger, stronger player - because if he later moves to the #2, it might be easier for him. Also I don't think Scoot plays anything other than 1 if Ant plays or not, so I do not think it matters much either. But, I think it is clear where we differ in opinion and that's good enough for me. Thank you for keeping the discussion civil and on point, does not always happen in the forum.
Oh, I'm certain they share the same opinion as you, lol.

And I don't think it is really an issue for Sharpe's development. It's an issue for the development of Rupert and Murray who both, IMO, are 3s, and I want to see what we've got in those guys. So they're not going to get the development they theoretically need. After watching their SL performance though... not sure Rupert is ready for a single NBA minute, but it's early.
 
The only way to play all 3 is to play 2 of them out of position.

Scoot and Simons are both 1s; although you could argue Simons is a "2" in a "1s" body, the counter is that a vast majority of his "high-level" play has been when he played the 1 albeit with a horrific AST:TO.
Sharpe is a 2.

Scoot / Ant / Sharpe / ?? / ?? = 2 of them are playing out of position. Obviously, you could bring Simons or Scoot off the bench, as I've been advocating for a while, but as many people have noted, "that's not going to happen". Also, note I said "LONG TERM". Which means in 3 years do you think one of Scoot / Ant is going to be coming off the bench? Don't think so.

Everything up to this point indicates that they are bad defenders. Could that change? Sure, but if we are operating in reality, we aren't playing the "they could be this or that" game. They are what they are until they prove otherwise.

This brings me back to my original point. Under no circumstances do I want to continue playing 2 players out of position and 3 really bad defenders long-term. And it's a forum, of course, it's meant to be dramatic. If 2 of them grew and 2 of them became elite defenders, sure, that would change the scenario, but the circumstance is the same ... because that's not 3 no-defense guards and 2 out of position. So correct, there is nothing that could happen in the entire world in which I would want to continue playing 2 players out of position and 3 really bad defenders long term.

And your whole perish off a bus is a load of bullshit. Really? Do you think someone is going to threaten to drive a bus off a cliff if the Blazers don't change their basketball lineup? That's not a realistic circumstance. I'm going to blow up the entire world unless you give me $10,000,000 dollars by next week. What's your decision? I bet it's pretty easy because that's not realistic.

Scoot plays defense.
 
What did your eyeballs tell you?
From one summer league game?

Or from 2 seasons of the G League?

And from what I saw last night, his screen navigation is horrible.

But it's summer league. Tons of different variables. So I'm not going to evaluate that.

And I've said in other places what I learned from watching him in the G League, but they'll call me a "Scoot hater", so not really interested in going down that path again.
 
From one summer league game?

Or from 2 seasons of the G League?

And from what I saw last night, his screen navigation is horrible.

But it's summer league. Tons of different variables. So I'm not going to evaluate that.

And I've said in other places what I learned from watching him in the G League, but they'll call me a "Scoot hater", so not really interested in going down that path again.
I watched Miller get absolutely schooled a few times so even good defending rookies struggle.
 
From one summer league game?

Or from 2 seasons of the G League?

And from what I saw last night, his screen navigation is horrible.

But it's summer league. Tons of different variables. So I'm not going to evaluate that.

And I've said in other places what I learned from watching him in the G League, but they'll call me a "Scoot hater", so not really interested in going down that path again.

I think for most of these young players, it is about projecting whether or not they have the ability to play defense. (Size/athleticism) If they have that then they can be taught to be a good defender. Instincts of course help as well. But defensive stats don't tell me anything at that age.
 
I watched Miller get absolutely schooled a few times so even good defending rookies struggle.

For the most part, I agree, that's why I said I wasn't going to evaluate Summer League play. A lot of it has to do with a limited time to install defensive schemes and they have no chemistry and who knows how the communication is. So it's hard to truly evaluate.
 
I think for most of these young players, it is about projecting whether or not they have the ability to play defense. (Size/athleticism) If they have that then they can be taught to be a good defender. Instincts of course help as well. But defensive stats don't tell me anything at that age.
I was very clear in the post that I originally made that I'm not talking about projections or what they could be. People were saying the same thing about Dame and Simons and Sharpe. They all have the tools to be good defenders yet none of them (currently) are. I'm talking about what they are now. And right now, they're all bad defensively. I also acknowledged that could change but we are talking about present reality.

It's like the people who think it's a no-brainer that Amen Thompson can be taught how to shoot the ball. If it was such a no-brainer, I think he would've been the clear and obvious #2 choice in this draft. But the reality is he can't shoot right now and he was drafted in a place that reflects that weakness.

And I think it's disingenuous to say defensive stats don't tell you "anything".
 
And I think it's disingenuous to say defensive stats don't tell you "anything".

I was very clear to say "at that age". So I do not think it is disingenuous to say defensive stats don't tell us anything about a 19-year-old who has never played in an NBA game.
And as you said there are "tons of variables" when you are referencing "trackable stats"
 
I was very clear to say "at that age". So I do not think it is disingenuous to say defensive stats don't tell us anything about a 19-year-old who has never played in an NBA game.
And as you said there are "tons of variables" when you are referencing "trackable stats"

Add *at that age*, I assumed it was … assumed. Which makes an ass out of me.

But, to be clear, you don’t think Wemby’s defensive stats tell you anything?

You didn’t think Amens or even Ausars defensive stats tell you anything?

What about Anthony Davis?

Davion Mitchell?

Marcus Smart?

Chet Holmgren?

You don’t think their defensive stats told you *anything at that age*?

I said there are tons of variables in summer league.

Over the course of 2 years, there aren’t many variables.

But let’s not get off topic.

You still want to stick with “defensive stats don’t tell you anything at that age”?
 
I'm really optimistic about Scoot. But I'm at the point where I have no appetite for more hype. I want to see him on the floor against actual starting level NBA players. Enough with bloviators talking about Scoot's talent. I want to see Scoot show that talent when it matters.
 
And under no circumstances do I want to keep Ant, Shaedon, and Scoot long-term. 3 no-defense guards and 2 playing out of position? Lol, what are we doing? Did we learn nothing in the last decade?
Disregarding the rest of it, you think Sharpe and Scoot are "no defense PGs?" I mean, in summer league Scoot was picking up Amen Thompson at halfcourt.
 
Disregarding the rest of it, you think Sharpe and Scoot are "no defense PGs?" I mean, in summer league Scoot was picking up Amen Thompson at halfcourt.

he was...but he got re-directed at every screen and pick and was too often behind Amen's dribble aftrewards

but negotiating screens and picks from opponents effectively will take a few seasons of work

if Portland goes with a 3-guard rotation of Ant/Sharpe/Scoot, the perimeter defense will suck. If they start Sharpe at SF and Ant at SG again...geeeeeezuzzz
 
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Now this is the kind of content that should get a Blazers fan pumped up about the future.
I am on the other end. His talent is undeniable. Chauncey is probably a very good coach for Scoot (Big Shot was highly regarded out of CU and shit the bed with his first three franchises--it took him years to fulfill his potential). However, I want to give Scoot space to develop. He'll make mistakes. His body will hit the rookie wall. He may turn out to be great for this franchise (I certainly think so), but I don't want to stay the clock starts now. Give the kid time. He's 19. All of us who have lived through our 19th year remember we were all idiots. Let Scoot be an idiot, too. Give him time to adjust to the League. Give him time to become a leader.

I'm psyched about our future as well. However, I am willing to be patient.
 
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