Anfernee Simons trade destinations (1 Viewer)

[Phatguysrule]

Well here goes another countered point that makes what you said flawed.

How many games has Ant actually been starting as our starting PG? I’ll wait.

Scoot has more starts at the PG than Ant lmao.

If you want to talk about sample size and we talking about strictly the PG starting spot, Ant sample size is smaller than Scoot.

Ant has really only had 2 seasons where he was consistent starter. The year with Dame when he was playing SG.

last season he started the season as our starting SG and only slide into the starting PG role after Scoot got hurt. Oh and Ant missed a big chunk to start last season with a hand injury.

Once again. Ant has been here long enough that we know he's not the answer for us at the 1 because he can't guard point guards. We know he can't guard any other position either.

He's not the answer. His value will start dropping the longer we keep him. I'm simply advocating that we get max value.

Scoot has time and plenty of potential to make a huge leap.

I'm not comparing these players with one another. They are in different situations. Ant can help a contender. Scoot has room to run.

 

[sheed30]

Once again. Ant has been here long enough that we know he's not the answer for us at the 1 because he can't guard point guards. We know he can't guard any other position either.

He's not the answer. His value will start dropping the longer we keep him. I'm simply advocating that we get max value.

Scoot has time and plenty of potential to make a huge leap.

I'm not comparing these players with one another. They are in different situations. Ant can help a contender. Scoot has room to run.

Once again, you got caught with your foot in your mouth.

Scoot hasn’t show any of that either.


“Ant is not the answer” is your answer, thank god you aren’t the GM.

You going to keep crying if Ant is on our team all of next season too lol.

 

[sheed30]

I didn't post about Scoot because it was a debate about Ant in a thread about Ant

just because Scott had a disappointing rookie season as a 19 year old NBA PG doesn't mean those Simons stats I posted were inaccurate. Those were just the numbers. You're allowed to add any context you want.

Lol, this is hilarious, you basically said nothing but hot air after it showed your stats are flawed.

Keep adding any context you want, you and the little crew of Ant bashers, yet don’t want to say anything about the stats showing Scoot is on the same level

Others have said Scoot is a good defender in here

 

[wizenheimer]

Lol, this is hilarious, you basically said nothing but hot air after it showed your stats are flawed.

I didn't say anything...I typed it. I guess maybe I was breathing toward my keyboard at the time so some warm air could have landed

by the way, just because you keep saying stats are flawed doesn't mean they are flawed, and it sure as fuck doesn't mean they don't confirm what we see

 

[sheed30]

I didn't say anything...I typed it. I guess maybe I was breathing toward my keyboard at the time so some warm air could have landed

by the way, just because you keep saying stats are flawed doesn't mean they are flawed, and it sure as fuck doesn't mean they don't confirm what we see

Lol. It was just a point in general.

I’m just having fun with this, don’t take me serious.

but I do believe you guys are too bias and lots of points of you guys don’t make sense to me, and I’m sure you guys feel the other way with my points.

But you guys just repeat the same thing over and over so I had to chime in.

 

[BankTeller]

I didn't say anything...I typed it.

Bro are you serious? What are you, like 12? Who argues like this as a grown man? LOLOL.

I don’t have anything to contribute to your convo with Sheed, reading that line just gave me a good laugh at 930 am.

Happy 4th!!

 

[wizenheimer]

Bro are you serious? What are you, like 12? Who argues like this as a grown man? LOLOL.

I spent 7 years as a teenager and 64 as a pre-teen

 

[sheed30]

Bro are you serious? What are you, like 12? Who argues like this as a grown man? LOLOL.

I don’t have anything to contribute to your convo with Sheed, reading that line just gave me a good laugh at 930 am.

Happy 4th!!

Sheeeeeed!!

with a name like Sheed, do you guys expect me to be anything other than a asshole?

 

[blazerkor]

@sheed30 your point has been made and noted. That point being that you're a big fan of Ant, to the point of being unreasonable. It's cool I'm probably that way about Dame to this day and Clyde in my youth. That being said those two are going to the HOF and while I assume you think it's too early to call with Ant, most of us would put big money on Mr. Simons missing out on an induction.

 

[Phatguysrule]

He also averages way more turnovers per 36 mins, a worse FG and 3%, and can’t consistently hit 3’s to spread the floor.

Most rookies have those problems. Even most rookies who become stars.

 

[sheed30]

@sheed30 your point has been made and noted. That point being that you're a big fan of Ant, to the point of being unreasonable. It's cool I'm probably that way about Dame to this day and Clyde in my youth. That being said those two are going to the HOF and while I assume you think it's too early to call with Ant, most of us would put big money on Mr. Simons missing out on an induction.

Nah I’m ok with trading Ant but not for what is suggested here and I don’t want to trade him and take a step back just to give Scoot the keys to the PG when we have no clue what pick we will get down the road for draft capital and even if the said draft pick will pan out. Too risky when we already have high draft picks the last 3 years.

I think what we disagree on is the value of Ant in a trade and that some say he is overpaid when he clearly isn’t when you look at the other salaries across the league now.

 

[sheed30]

Most rookies have those problems. Even most rookies who become stars.

Ok I can agree with that. We all don’t know if he will ever become a star.

He could be a Dennis Smith Jr for all we know, or a Westbrooke type down the road. But first, let’s actually do something and make the team better we don’t need more future draft picks man, we have enough already from the last 3 years time for these guys to develop and we need to improve each year like OKC has done the past few years.

keep sucking for more years and Sharpe might not want to stay here, ever thought it that too?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Once again, you got caught with your foot in your mouth.

Scoot hasn’t show any of that either.


“Ant is not the answer” is your answer, thank god you aren’t the GM.

You going to keep crying if Ant is on our team all of next season too lol.

My answer is that Ant can't effectively defend any position in the NBA. After the better part of a decade. I don't want any players like that on the team long term, and I certainly don't want them being a core part of the team.

I believe Ant has value by being in a tough situation and some GMs may think there is some untapped potential there. I think there will be fewer of those by the all star break, and even fewer the season after that.

Scoot isn't a consideration. I didn't want to rely on Ant before we drafted Scoot. Not because I have a personal problem with him, but because he's not an effective player on both ends of the court, and he's not good enough on the offensive end to make up for his defensive flaws.

I'm not sure why you're taking this so personal. Maybe you're Ant's girlfriend? Uncle?

 

[Phatguysrule]

Ok I can agree with that. We all don’t know if he will ever become a star.

He could be a Dennis Smith Jr for all we know, or a Westbrooke type down the road. But first, let’s actually do something and make the team better we don’t need more future draft picks man, we have enough already from the last 3 years time for these guys to develop and we need to improve each year like OKC has done the past few years.

keep sucking for more years and Sharpe might not want to stay here, ever thought it that too?

We don't have enough talent to stop needing more draft picks. We're more than likely going to need 5 or 6 top half lotto picks to get enough talent. And probably some shrewd moves.

We can thank Olshey for that.

This is why I wanted keep Dame as long as possible. I don't like this process. And now I want to make sure we don't have to do it again for a LONG time.

 

[Hoopguru]

2024 defensive ratings for the season has CJ ranked better than Lebron, Doncic, Gordon, Murray, Booker and a bunch of others. Not sure I buy it.....

 

[KingSpeed]

Once again. Ant has been here long enough that we know he's not the answer for us at the 1 because he can't guard point guards. We know he can't guard any other position either.

He's not the answer. His value will start dropping the longer we keep him. I'm simply advocating that we get max value.

Scoot has time and plenty of potential to make a huge leap.

I'm not comparing these players with one another. They are in different situations. Ant can help a contender. Scoot has room to run.

How can Ant help a contender if he’s as bad as you say?

 

[beast blazer]

@sheed30 your point has been made and noted. That point being that you're a big fan of Ant, to the point of being unreasonable. It's cool I'm probably that way about Dame to this day and Clyde in my youth. That being said those two are going to the HOF and while I assume you think it's too early to call with Ant, most of us would put big money on Mr. Simons missing out on an induction.

Compare Dame at 24 to Ant at 24. Ant's offensive numbers are actually slightly better, and that's with playing for a worse team.

 

[Natebishop3]

Compare Dame at 24 to Ant at 24. Ant's offensive numbers are actually slightly better, and that's with playing for a worse team.

Scoring numbers tend to go up on worse teams.

 

[Whyachi]

watch the good things opposing broadcasters say about Simons. Portland will be getting slaughtered like normal, then Anfernee will have a turbo charged scoring outburst. Turning a would be blowout into a competitive score within a few minutes.

There are teams that need a bucket machine, *including this Blazers team.

I'll go old school for a second. Anyone remember Michael Adams? There was a mediocre Nuggets team with a "who's this guy?" name on the roster lighting up the boxscore. Keeping pace with the big time All-Stars George Gervin, Moses Malone, Dr. J etc etc.

When we finally saw Adams during a Blazer game, here's this 5'11" guard in Denver who could shoot the ball from anywhere on the court. Monster stats from a small package.

I say we keep Simons and let him run. There's only upside with Anfernee. He's either going to erupt as a top 10 scorer, or he'll be meh and quit his season early. Both avenues lead to a big fat lottery ball, which is the glue Cronin is using to fix the Blazers.

but.. but.. Anfernee said he's ready to win, and Chauncey said he wants to win.
Ummm, these guys are pros. They're not going to shred their bosses Jody & Cronin in front of pencil pushing media reporters hoping to write dramatic stories.

 

[beast blazer]

Scoring numbers tend to go up on worse teams.

I'm looking at efficiency. Efficiency would tend to go up on a good team because there is less pressure on the individual scorer. And Ant's > Damain's.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm looking at efficiency. Efficiency would tend to go up on a good team because there is less pressure on the individual scorer. And Ant's > Damain's.

Ant's TS% was slightly better (primatly due to 3P%). Nearly every other advanced stat favors Dame, most by a massive margin.

 

[Phatguysrule]

How can Ant help a contender if he’s as bad as you say?

As a scorer off the bench. At least, I'm hoping that's what teams think.

If they don't think that I'm afraid his value is going to drop quickly.

Again, I'm not saying he's bad. Just not what I want to build a team around if we're already sucking. He's not a cornerstone player.

 

[Mediocre Man]

But why? All you can say is he is young. That doesn't mean anything. Did Westbrooke, someone who Scoot looks up too, improve his 3's and FT% as he got older? Ill wait for you to answer that. You see, you can't reply anything really, but Ill answer your question.

Many are fickle and bias in here, consistently put a negative spin on things when they want to try and make a point, and when they voice their reasons why, in sight in makes them look so silly and makes little sense.

Talking about Ant's defense then saying Scoot is a better/good defender, then wizenheimer silly defensive stats showing Scoot is BARELY and basically just as bad as Ant is hilarious. They basically put their own foot in their mouth.

Not to mention Scoot has the 6th worse plus/minus stats in the whole NBA. I don't even put anything into that dumb plus/minus stats as its flawed too, but once again, I can play that game and put a spin on things.

I guess all I was saying is some might want a pg that leads an offense, plays defense, draws fouls, rather than jacks up 3s. He improved a lot after the glasses

 

[wizenheimer]

2024 defensive ratings for the season has CJ ranked better than Lebron, Doncic, Gordon, Murray, Booker and a bunch of others. Not sure I buy it.....

I agree that defensive ratings are more of a team-centric stat and comparing them across the board doesn't really work

however, I do think defensive rating rankings for each team reveal a lot, especially how much better, or worse, a player is than his team

 

[Whyachi]

2024 defensive ratings for the season has CJ ranked better than Lebron, Doncic, Gordon, Murray, Booker and a bunch of others. Not sure I buy it.....

McCollum was stepping up his defense. There's no doubt about it. He was being more physical with driving opponents. No more hand down man down with CJ. He got steals and blocks. It was a different style of performance then we saw in Portland. Coaching? maybe? Or just a natural progression of a veteran player adding new talents to his skillset.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nah I’m ok with trading Ant but not for what is suggested here and I don’t want to trade him and take a step back just to give Scoot the keys to the PG when we have no clue what pick we will get down the road for draft capital and even if the said draft pick will pan out. Too risky when we already have high draft picks the last 3 years.

I think what we disagree on is the value of Ant in a trade and that some say he is overpaid when he clearly isn’t when you look at the other salaries across the league now.

I don't think Ant is overpaid.

 

[sheed30]

I guess all I was saying is some might want a pg that leads an offense, plays defense, draws fouls, rather than jacks up 3s. He improved a lot after the glasses

When has Scoot showed he can do that yet? Only in flashes...

you said play defense, if you been reading, Scoot defensive stats is almost the same as Ant! So where this I want defense coming from?

And, Scoot can play and start at PG. Simons at the 2....now you going to say something about why you dont want Ant at the 2 lol..

I also want a PG that doesn't turn the ball over like crazy in Scoot, that can spread the floor consistently, Scoot hasn't, and actually shows good basketball IQ, Scoot just full speed mode all the time...

Scoot has a lot of prove and the jury is still out on him

 

[Natebishop3]

Looking at Scoots full season stats is pointless. The first half of the season he was terrible and he was adjusting to the speed of the NBA. The second half he looked much better and started to show signs of improvement. I’m not at all interested in discussing the first half. I’m only interested in discussing the second half.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Looking at Scoots full season stats is pointless. The first half of the season he was terrible and he was adjusting to the speed of the NBA. The second half he looked much better and started to show signs of improvement. I’m not at all interested in discussing the first half. I’m only interested in discussing the second half.

Blazers' second half stats:



Apparently Scoot was almost as good as Banton!

Per 48 Anfernee's assists look pretty comparable (but they both have terrible A/TO ratios):

 

[julius]

Wait, Grant averaged over 10 FTA a game in those 18 games!?