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AldoTrapani said:
And we’re still celebrating the bye bye shot against them smh lol
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Dame's shot may have been a huge blessing in disguise. If they won a round or two they probably try to run it back. Instead they cash out Paul George for one of the biggest trade hauls ever. Then flip Wesbtrook for picks and CP3 then flip CP3 for more picks. Then get a half dozen more picks.

I remember tons of posters here complaining that they didn't want to have a bunch of losing seasons in a rebuild like the Thunder.

Thunder had two years with more losses than wins. We're at 4 and counting.
 
wizenheimer said:
the point being they had a star player to trade. When they traded PG13 he was a 6-time all-star; a 4-time all-NBA; and a 4-time all-Defense.
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OKC didn't use picks for PG13.... they took a gamble on him walking for nothing but won that gamble and then cashed him out.

People here ripped on Olshey endlessly for gambling that Aldridge would resign. I still stand by it was the smart gamble at that time. Sucks it didn't work out. Then a couple years later the NBA basically eliminated 95% of all stars leaving in free agency.

Blazers have had good picks later in the draft, Simons is one, Batum, Rudy, ZBo, Jarret Jack, Patty Mills, Will Barton, Trent, Connaughton. More role players than stars but those can be guys to win a title, just not top3 players to lead you there.

Look at a few decades of the Kings/Clippers/Wizards/Hornets/etc that have crap picks many years even up in the lottery.

All else equal I certainly prefer higher draft picks. The Blazers have probably added as many or more of their best players through trades though. Even Roy was a Telfair trade - Dame a Gerald Wallace trade.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
OKC didn't use picks for PG13.... they took a gamble on him walking for nothing but won that gamble and then cashed him out.

People here ripped on Olshey endlessly for gambling that Aldridge would resign. I still stand by it was the smart gamble at that time. Sucks it didn't work out. Then a couple years later the NBA basically eliminated 95% of all stars leaving in free agency.

Blazers have had good picks later in the draft, Simons is one, Batum, Rudy, ZBo, Jarret Jack, Patty Mills, Will Barton, Trent, Connaughton. More role players than stars but those can be guys to win a title, just not top3 players to lead you there.

Look at a few decades of the Kings/Clippers/Wizards/Hornets/etc that have crap picks many years even up in the lottery.

All else equal I certainly prefer higher draft picks. The Blazers have probably added as many or more of their best players through trades though. Even Roy was a Telfair trade - Dame a Gerald Wallace trade.
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Nah. Aldridge was always going to leave. As soon as he refused the max extension he should have been dealt.

Definitely trades for draft picks are good. Even trades for recent draft picks.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Nah. Aldridge was always going to leave. As soon as he refused the max extension he should have been dealt.

Definitely trades for draft picks are good. Even trades for recent draft picks.
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He couldn't get a max extension - the rules required him to wait to free agency in order to sign for the max. Rules have since been changed.

LMA was just a finicky dude. One day he wanted to stay here for life. Next day he wanted to leave. One day he wanted better teammates. Next day he was jealous teammates got attention.

I stand by that he didn't know what the hell he wanted. His opinions changed as often as the wind blows. Ultimately he left. Blazers took a gamble and lost. Toronto gambled and lost their star. Durant left too. PG13 said he'd leave but stayed. Lakers traded picks for Dwight Howard then he walked for nothing.

It was a different NBA back then and teams risked guys leaving for nothing. Guys also weren't traded for as much.

If anything I wish Olshey risked MORE on players to leave for nothing. We saw how useless the addition the next decade after LMA all were.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Blazers have had good picks later in the draft, Simons is one, Batum, Rudy, ZBo, Jarret Jack, Patty Mills, Will Barton, Trent, Connaughton. More role players than stars but those can be guys to win a title, just not top3 players to lead you there..
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c'mon man...that list of yours kind of proves my point....none of those players are talented enough to alter the trajectory of a team. ZBo was closest but he needed to be on the floor with a DPOY talent in Gasol along with all-Defense talent like Tony Allen, Shane Battier, and Tayshawn Prince to offset Zach's defensive flaws

Portland's 1st round picks outside of top-10 since 2000

Erick Barkely
Zach Randolph
Qyntel Woods
Travis Outlaw
Sebastian Telfaire
Sergei Monia
Vikto Khryapa
Jarett Jack
Sergio Rodriguez
Joel Freeland
Rudy Fernandez
Petteri Koponnen
Jerryd Bayless
Nic Batum
Victor Claver
Luke Babbitt
Elliot Williams
Nolan Smith
Meyers Leonard
Caleb Swanigan
Anfernee Simons
Nassir Little
Kris Murray

that's 23 chances to find a player like Giannis or SGA or Kawhi, and the best the Blazer could do is Batum or Ant
 
wizenheimer said:
c'mon man...that list of yours kind of proves my point....none of those players are talented enough to alter the trajectory of a team. ZBo was closest but he needed to be on the floor with a DPOY talent in Gasol along with all-Defense talent like Tony Allen, Shane Battier, and Tayshawn Prince to offset Zach's defensive flaws

Portland's 1st round picks outside of top-10 since 2000

Erick Barkely
Zach Randolph
Qyntel Woods
Travis Outlaw
Sebastian Telfaire
Sergei Monia
Vikto Khryapa
Jarett Jack
Sergio Rodriguez
Joel Freeland
Rudy Fernandez
Petteri Koponnen
Jerryd Bayless
Nic Batum
Victor Claver
Luke Babbitt
Elliot Williams
Nolan Smith
Meyers Leonard
Caleb Swanigan
Anfernee Simons
Nassir Little
Kris Murray

that's 23 chances to find a player like Giannis or SGA or Kawhi, and the best the Blazer could do is Batum or Ant
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MVP are not likely in 23 tries.... Otherwise we'd see one drafted just about every year. It's more like once or twice a decade in a 30 team league. Blazers got one at that level back in the 80s.

That draft record looks about average to me. It's certainly not great, but I'd guess a lot of teams are even worse. Ultimately it takes a number of hits in draft/trades/free agency to build a contender and only a very few teams do it each year.

The more chances and more swings the better. Definitely would rather see us swing and strike out on draft picks than flip them for known vets with a low ceiling like Nance or Roco.
 
wizenheimer said:
the point being they had a star player to trade. When they traded PG13 he was a 6-time all-star; a 4-time all-NBA; and a 4-time all-Defense.

the Dame-Aldridge team became the Dame-CJ team in 2015-16. That's 10 seasons from then to now

in those 10 seasons, Blazers have had one single all-star and the same player was their only all-NBA player

over the same stretch OKC has had Durant (MVP); Westbrook (MVP); Serge Ibaka (3-time all-Defense); Oladipo (2-time all-star; all-nba; all-defense); Domantas Sabonis; Paul George; CP3; SGA; Jalen Williams; and Holmgren.

The point being that OKC landed elite talent from the top part of the draft and has been able to leverage and pay that talent forward to where they are right now. Portland finally added another all-NBA selection in Camara, 2nd team all-Defense. But OKC has Dort, who was 1st team

for all the chatter around here about how elite talent is found at the end of the lottery and outside of the lottery, over the last 30 years Portland hasn't found any...and they sure have had a lot of opportunities. In the last 24 years, Portland has had 3 all-stars: Roy-Aldridge-Dame. 2nd-6th-6th picks in the lottery. The last time they had an 11th pick: Meyers Leonard; 10th pick a year later: CJ

I guess you could say "well, they are due"....but history suggests do-do
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No question losing Benedict Aldridge for absolutely nothing was tough for this franchise.
 
wizenheimer said:
c'mon man...that list of yours kind of proves my point....none of those players are talented enough to alter the trajectory of a team. ZBo was closest but he needed to be on the floor with a DPOY talent in Gasol along with all-Defense talent like Tony Allen, Shane Battier, and Tayshawn Prince to offset Zach's defensive flaws

Portland's 1st round picks outside of top-10 since 2000

Erick Barkely
Zach Randolph
Qyntel Woods
Travis Outlaw
Sebastian Telfaire
Sergei Monia
Vikto Khryapa
Jarett Jack
Sergio Rodriguez
Joel Freeland
Rudy Fernandez
Petteri Koponnen
Jerryd Bayless
Nic Batum
Victor Claver
Luke Babbitt
Elliot Williams
Nolan Smith
Meyers Leonard
Caleb Swanigan
Anfernee Simons
Nassir Little
Kris Murray

that's 23 chances to find a player like Giannis or SGA or Kawhi, and the best the Blazer could do is Batum or Ant
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That list is just plain Harsh. WOW it almost hurts to read.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
MVP are not likely in 23 tries.... Otherwise we'd see one drafted just about every year. It's more like once or twice a decade in a 30 team league. Blazers got one at that level back in the 80s.

That draft record looks about average to me. It's certainly not great, but I'd guess a lot of teams are even worse. Ultimately it takes a number of hits in draft/trades/free agency to build a contender and only a very few teams do it each year.

The more chances and more swings the better. Definitely would rather see us swing and strike out on draft picks than flip them for known vets with a low ceiling like Nance or Roco.
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maybe you weren't paying attention to why I posted what I did. There was an implication that because SGA was an 11th pick, there was a chance that Portland can find an elite player outside of the top-10. Sure....there is that chance. But Portland has had 23 shots at finding an elite player outside of the top-10 since 2000 and they couldn't even find an all-star. But in a half-dozen shots at the top-10, Portland has drafted players who have combined for 19 all-star games and 14 all-NBA awards

that's a huge gulf
 
wizenheimer said:
the point being they had a star player to trade. When they traded PG13 he was a 6-time all-star; a 4-time all-NBA; and a 4-time all-Defense.

the Dame-Aldridge team became the Dame-CJ team in 2015-16. That's 10 seasons from then to now

in those 10 seasons, Blazers have had one single all-star and the same player was their only all-NBA player

over the same stretch OKC has had Durant (MVP); Westbrook (MVP); Serge Ibaka (3-time all-Defense); Oladipo (2-time all-star; all-nba; all-defense); Domantas Sabonis; Paul George; CP3; SGA; Jalen Williams; and Holmgren.

The point being that OKC landed elite talent from the top part of the draft and has been able to leverage and pay that talent forward to where they are right now. Portland finally added another all-NBA selection in Camara, 2nd team all-Defense. But OKC has Dort, who was 1st team

for all the chatter around here about how elite talent is found at the end of the lottery and outside of the lottery, over the last 30 years Portland hasn't found any...and they sure have had a lot of opportunities. In the last 24 years, Portland has had 3 all-stars: Roy-Aldridge-Dame. 2nd-6th-6th picks in the lottery. The last time they had an 11th pick: Meyers Leonard; 10th pick a year later: CJ

I guess you could say "well, they are due"....but history suggests do-do
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Harden was 6moy twice for Thunder and future hofer.
Think of how many HOF'ers have gone through OKC....Should have one one by now, imo. Looks like they could break the ice this year!
 
SharpesTriumph said:
He couldn't get a max extension - the rules required him to wait to free agency in order to sign for the max. Rules have since been changed.
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True. I meant the max we could offer prior to losing exclusive rights (when his contract expired).

SharpesTriumph said:
LMA was just a finicky dude. One day he wanted to stay here for life. Next day he wanted to leave. One day he wanted better teammates. Next day he was jealous teammates got attention.

I stand by that he didn't know what the hell he wanted. His opinions changed as often as the wind blows.
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Which is why I always thought he'd leave if we ever allowed him to be a free agent.

SharpesTriumph said:
Ultimately he left. Blazers took a gamble and lost. Toronto gambled and lost their star. Durant left too. PG13 said he'd leave but stayed. Lakers traded picks for Dwight Howard then he walked for nothing.

It was a different NBA back then and teams risked guys leaving for nothing.
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It's just not a risk I would have taken. Especially after the way Aldridge played in that Houston series...
 
wizenheimer said:
Portland has had 23 shots at finding an elite player outside of the top-10 since 2000 and they couldn't even find an all-star.
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wizenheimer said:
But in a half-dozen shots at the top-10, Portland has drafted players who have combined for 19 all-star games and 14 all-NBA awards

that's a huge gulf
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Bingo. This is the best way I've ever seen it put.

It is SO incredibly clear.
 
Phatguysrule said:
True. I meant the max we could offer prior to losing exclusive rights (when his contract expired).


Which is why I always thought he'd leave if we ever allowed him to be a free agent.


It's just not a risk I would have taken. Especially after the way Aldridge played in that Houston series...
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I remember his Mother had cancer and he had a very young son in Texas. POP lucked out instead of a trade with PDX of LA had made his wish known.
 
wizenheimer said:
Portland's 1st round picks outside of top-10 since 2000

Nolan Smith (Jimmy Butler)
Meyers Leonard (Draymond Green)
Caleb Swanigan (Josh Hart/Isiah Hartenstein)
Anfernee Simons (Jalen Fucking Brunson)
Nassir Little (Nick Claxton)
Kris Murray (Toumani)
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Meant to go back and find a better player picked after each of the ones we actually took but got bored after Nolan Smith
 
I was going to come on here before tip off and predict a Thunder blowout but I thought that was a little obvious.

What they're doing is anything but obvious. Such an epic ass kicking.
 
blazerkor said:
I was going to come on here before tip off and predict a Thunder blowout but I thought that was a little obvious.

What they're doing is anything but obvious. Such an epic ass kicking.
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It's pretty damn boring.
 
Caruso might end up as the active NBA player with the most rings?

LBJ Steph Klay Draymond currently are all tied with 4 but all deep into their 30s.

Caruso will have two if the Thunder win and sure looks like they would have a chance to add a couple more.
 
Timberwolves clearly didn't want to play this game.
 
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