Around the NBA - July 2017 Edition

[riverman]

Nurk is fearless....plays with a smirk and invites contact..really old school big guy...love his game.

 

[dviss1]

I like Jokic a lot and would say that against other teams, Nurk and Jokic have a similar impact. Head to head is where Nurk has the advantage.

Jokic hasn't shown me one thing on Defense.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yikes, $4.6M QO for Mase. Not quite the $15-20M/yr everyone assumed he would get this summer. Go east young man!



Over 4 years, though. At ~$140M/yr, I'm guessing they're still profitable as long as they're winning championships and selling seats for $100k per game.



That's easy: Dwight Howard.

Plums' QO is based upon a formula. He had a ~$2M contract. He'll get paid whatever some team offers him, which may well be much higher. The Nuggets can match any offer, or make an offer above the QO if they want.

$500M over 4 years on top of the $140M/year. And it's still a half a $billion, which isn't chump change, even for a $billionaire.

 

[Mediocre Man]

What??? They have the exact same skillset cept' Nurk plays D.

Nurk Vs Jokic a Push???? Woah....

Did you not watch this game?? He wasn't even in game shape....

They have a very different skill set. Jokic has a great mid range shot and a decent 3 point shot. Much more of a,stretch type player than Nurk, who is more of a true big 5. Nurk is a much better defender, but at this point, Jokic is a much better offensive player

 

[Minstrel]

$500M over 4 years on top of the $140M/year. And it's still a half a $billion, which isn't chump change, even for a $billionaire.

It's not chump change, but the question is how much they'll be pulling in over that timeframe. I read that they had the highest cable deal or something. I'm sure they've jacked up ticket prices at Oracle and they're moving into fancy new digs in San Francisco in a couple of years.

It's going to be fiendishly expensive to keep this group together, but they probably will have the financial wherewithal to pull it off, without dipping much into their personal fortunes. And they have the chance to make the team an institution in the Bay Area, which could pay off even after the glory days are gone.

 

[riverman]

they're moving into fancy new digs in San Francisco in a couple of years.

I cannot fathom where in the hell there's a piece of land in San Francisco that can accommodate a parking lot and basketball arena...unless they buy Golden Gate park or something...that city has seemed to me to have been maxed out from development for decades

 

[dviss1]

Allen Crabbe, Meyers Leonard, Elliott Williams.

All of whom we drafted and were supposed to develop?

 

[Scalma]

Jokic is damn near a liability defensively. He's superior offensively but I don't think the gap is wide enough to make up for the other side of the ball. Nurkic is the better overall player.

 

[dviss1]

They have a very different skill set. Jokic has a great mid range shot and a decent 3 point shot. Much more of a,stretch type player than Nurk, who is more of a true big 5. Nurk is a much better defender, but at this point, Jokic is a much better offensive player

I disagree that he's "much" better.

 

[riverman]

Jokic is a fine player....he's young and given he's had early success, he should just keep getting better....for Portland, Nurk is the anchor we've needed

 

[dviss1]

Please someone show me him playing D because he looks soft in this area. Almost Kanter like from what I've seen.

 

[Minstrel]

I cannot fathom where in the hell there's a piece of land in San Francisco that can accommodate a parking lot and basketball arena...unless they buy Golden State park or something...that city has seemed to me to have been maxed out from development for decades

I believe they've already done the groundbreaking, so I guess they found a suitable site.

 

[PDXFonz]

I still think Jokic is overrated.

 

[handiman]

$500M over 4 years on top of the $140M/year. And it's still a half a $billion, which isn't chump change, even for a $billionaire.

You can't count the salary portion. That's covered directly by league-wide revenue. It's the tax portion that is up for debate, as far as whether deep playoff runs in a region flush with cash will counter it.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's not chump change, but the question is how much they'll be pulling in over that timeframe. I read that they had the highest cable deal or something. I'm sure they've jacked up ticket prices at Oracle and they're moving into fancy new digs in San Francisco in a couple of years.

It's going to be fiendishly expensive to keep this group together, but they probably will have the financial wherewithal to pull it off, without dipping much into their personal fortunes. And they have the chance to make the team an institution in the Bay Area, which could pay off even after the glory days are gone.

Their player expenses are going up, sky high, before the LT.

$74.2M in "profit" before all that.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/golden-state-warriors/

 

[Denny Crane]

You can't count the salary portion. That's covered directly by league-wide revenue. It's the tax portion that is up for debate, as far as whether deep playoff runs in a region flush with cash will counter it.

I'm counting only the luxury tax.

 

[riverman]

Posted this on another thread but it probably belongs here

Chris Haynes

✔ @ChrisBHaynes
Sources: After two years in Euroleague, former Portland big-man Joel Freeland has engaged in talks with teams to pursue an NBA comeback.

7:36 AM - 3 Jul 2017

 

[Boob-No-More]

Allen Crabbe, Meyers Leonard, Elliott Williams.

Elliot Williams???? Yeah, we wasted an entire 149 minutes trying to develop that guy. If that's the 3rd best example you can come up with, you have no case.

Can one of you nerds please tweak the algorithm. It's running open loop again.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

Elliot Williams???? Yeah, we wasted an entire 149 minutes trying to develop that guy. If that's the 3rd best example you can come up with, you have no case.

Can one of you nerds please tweak the algorithm. It's running open loop again.

BNM

You're supposed to develop draft picks...

 

[PDXFonz]

Mudiay is done, they are looking to trade him while Murray will be the primary backup which is what he should be in a team targeting the offseason.

The problem for us is that even a declining Millsap is a really huge acquisition for them if you compare him to Faried. He is a big upgrade over someone that just rebounds the ball and catches lobs. Millsap doesn't have to be on All Star level to be useful. Harris-Jokic getting better by the day too. Harris must be one of the most underrated wings in the league. If they get Hill too then I suppose next season we don't even reach the offseason. That's my opinion at least if we don't make any moves.

Is he though? That's the kind of player you need to put next to Jokic and Millsap is not a hustle player like faried, swanigan, Davis, DJ, Chandler(younger), etc...

 

[Boob-No-More]

You're supposed to develop draft picks...

Actually, his tired point that he keeps trying, but failing, to make is we spend too much time trying to develop young players when we should be trading for proven players.

Which is why he mentioned Crabbe and Leonard. Then he trots out Elliot Williams as another example and shoots himself in the foot.

BNM

 

[GDiama]

Is he though? That's the kind of player you need to put next to Jokic and Millsap is not a hustle player like faried, swanigan, Davis, DJ, Chandler(younger), etc...

Ideally you need a skilled and hustle player, but between a just hustle player and a 4 times All star i cannot see how they dont get better. The quality gap between Millsap and Faried is huge. Its not that Millsap is Carmelo. He is a pretty good defender.

 

[RipCityWarrior]

Suns waived Barbosa, could be an interesting bench guy is he has any legs left.

 

[Scalma]

Suns waived Barbosa, could be an interesting bench guy is he has any legs left.

Give them Meyers and Davis!

 

[PDXFonz]

Ideally you need a skilled and hustle player, but between a just hustle player and a 4 times All star i cannot see how they dont get better. The quality gap between Millsap and Faried is huge. Its not that Millsap is Carmelo. He is a pretty good defender.

Well if you add their usage you get close to 50% so either Millsap and/or Jokic are going to get less looks now, or they are going to need to be extremely efficient. Could have trouble getting their backcourt and wings as many looks as they got last year.

 

[Minstrel]

Their player expenses are going up, sky high, before the LT.

$74.2M in "profit" before all that.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/golden-state-warriors/


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Gate receipts don't count their cable TV deal or merchandising (Golden State is tops in the league) and we don't know what their gate receipts will be once they move into their new stadium.

 

[GDiama]

Well if you add their usage you get close to 50% so either Millsap and/or Jokic are going to get less looks now, or they are going to need to be extremely efficient. Could have trouble getting their backcourt and wings as many looks as they got last year.

Well Gallo will probably leave so there you have your touches. In any case I think issues like that are welcome. Problem is when you lack the quality.

 

[Mr. Robot]

Jokic is damn near a liability defensively. He's superior offensively but I don't think the gap is wide enough to make up for the other side of the ball. Nurkic is the better overall player.

I disagree that he's "much" better.

I think the same, couldnt agree more

 

[Socnorb11]

No offense, but comparing Nurkic to Jokic is fools play. Jokic was the top center in the NBA last year (and 8th best player overall). Nurkic was somewhere around 27th, according to PER (Player Efficiency Ratings).

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c

Nurkic really hurts himself with a massive turnover rate, and a complete lack of perimeter game (which is essential in today's NBA, even for big men).

 

[HolyBackboard]

And Nurk ate him alive when they two teams met in the biggest game of the season for each team.