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Socnorb11 said:
What makes you think that? Just curious............
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The fact that 23% of your offense will be Millsap time, while the Blazers will play inside out and high-low through Nurk.

Hark Noah and ZCO are going to feast off those Nurk high low passes
 
PtldPlatypus said:
They got Millsap. We got...nothin'. I think their summer's probably going OK.
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Nothing???? We got Nurkic and combined the pick they gave us to move into the top 10 in a very deep draft.

The reason DEN was willing to include the pick is because they felt they already had too many young guys to develop.

So, now they signed a 32-year old Paul Millsap and have apparently gone from a young, developing team to one that is in win now mode in the deepest division in the league. I like Millsap a lot, I always have, and on the court, I think he will be a great fit in DEN, but at the end of the day, he doesn't make them a legitimate contender and will be old and long gone by the time they are - if ever.

I'll gladly take our 23-year old Nurk and 20-year old Collins over their 32-year old Millsap.

BNM
 
Socnorb11 said:
I actually came to see what you guys think Plumlee is worth, from a salary standpoint. There's quite a bit of talk on Nuggets forums about whether the team should prioritize him or not. I was just curious how fans outside of Denver view him, and Portland fans should be able to respond to that better than others.
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I think of him as like a poor man's Blake Griffin - in a bad way. That is, very athletic, surprisingly good passer, decent rebounder, pretty useless defender because of the stumpy arms, and (here's where he's not Griffin) a zero on offense. Pair him with a star PF and he's pretty good, but even then, modern centers need to be good defenders above all.
 
Socnorb11 said:
You may be right. Either way, Portland got the better return.
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The whole trade was an Olshlapp! :smack:

Y'all gave away a promising young center still on his rookie deal and a 1st for a 30 game rental of..... Plumlee? :blink:

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:
 
dviss1 said:
We have better scorers to pass to. Plain and simple.
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Denver had the best offense in the league once they committed to Jokic as a starter.

Better offense than Golden State, better than Houston, better than Cleveland...........

To go along with that, they just added Paul Millsap, who has been in 4 straight all-star games.

They're going to be lethal. Whether they'll play any defense or not is another story, but offense isn't a question.
 
I don't think Denver is done, I honestly think they are gonna go for broke and try to trade for Wade. Something Like Gary Harris+Faried.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I have to say, I doubt that.

Nurk is great. But Jokic is phenomenal.
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Nurk avg'd 3.2 without knowing the offense fully and only playing 29 mpg. Once Nurk gets more acclimated to the offense and starts averaging 33+ mins....
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
I don't think Denver is done, I honestly think they are gonna go for broke and try to trade for Wade. Something Like Gary Harris+Faried.
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Gross! What a steal for CHI if they do that. Harris is prob the most underrated guard in the league.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I think of him as like a poor man's Blake Griffin - in a bad way. That is, very athletic, surprisingly good passer, decent rebounder, pretty useless defender because of the stumpy arms, and (here's where he's not Griffin) a zero on offense. Pair him with a star PF and he's pretty good, but even then, modern centers need to be good defenders above all.
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Thanks for the feedback. I've never been a Blake Griffin fan, so that's not very encouraging!

I actually thought he was an extremely good passer and an adequate defender when I saw him play with Portland. Didn't really see either of those things in Denver, for whatever reason.
 
Neither Harris or Murray are going anywhere.

Depending on who you ask, those players were off-limits in the trade that would have brought Kevin Love to Denver. They're certainly not giving either of them up for Wade.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Nothing???? We got Nurkic and combined the pick they gave us to move into the top 10 in a very deep draft.

The reason DEN was willing to include the pick is because they felt they already had too many young guys to develop.

So, now they signed a 32-year old Paul Millsap and have apparently gone from a young, developing team to one that is in win now mode in the deepest division in the league. I like Millsap a lot, I always have, and on the court, I think he will be a great fit in DEN, but at the end of the day, he doesn't make them a legitimate contender and will be old and long gone by the time they are - if ever.

I'll gladly take our 23-year old Nurk and 20-year old Collins over their 32-year old Millsap.

BNM
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I specifically was referring to "this summer" and ignoring the draft. I guess we could factor in Trey Lyles, Tyler Lydon, and Monte Morris too.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Nurk is great offensively, Jokic is phenomenal offensively.

Nurk is great defensively, Jokic is phenomenally Bad defensively.
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AFully22 said:
When he is on the court , the hype is deserved. Can't ignore that he's missed 25% of games in his 4 years due to injury. Never played more than 65 games in a year.
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Yeah, which is being addressed by him losing weight and working on the imbalances in his legs.
 
Socnorb11 said:
Denver had the best offense in the league once they committed to Jokic as a starter.

Better offense than Golden State, better than Houston, better than Cleveland...........

To go along with that, they just added Paul Millsap, who has been in 4 straight all-star games.

They're going to be lethal. Whether they'll play any defense or not is another story, but offense isn't a question.
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Losing Gallo and getting Millsap is a downgrade offensively. And you can't ignore facts such as Wilson Chandler being unable to repeat his career year last year, as well as teams adjusting to Jokic with scouting.

They won't repeat the pace they were on to end the year.
 
BonesJones said:
Losing Gallo and getting Millsap is a downgrade offensively. And you can't ignore facts such as Wilson Chandler being unable to repeat his career year last year, as well as teams adjusting to Jokic with scouting.

They won't repeat the pace they were on to end the year.
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At the same time, you're ignoring the fact that Harris has settled in as one of the best shooting guards in the league, and Murray will no longer be a rookie (and could be special).

Gallinari isn't gone yet. Millsap might have a career year, with Jokic feeding him.

We'll see............
 
Socnorb11 said:
Portland appears to have "won" the trade. I can't dispute that. Denver didn't have much choice though, to be honest.
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I'm not feeling too bad for Denver though. Jokic and Milsap could be a tough combination to defend.
 
honkicracker said:
What I find funny is if any one of us go to the Denver nuggets forum and start talking like this Denver Nuggets fan has. We'd get ip-banned within an hour.
Yet because the mods on s2 aren't nazi's @Socnorb11 is allowed to keep posting here.
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I'm not here to cause trouble........ just talk basketball.

I think you'd be more than welcome at Denver Stiffs, as long as you keep it civil
 
Socnorb11 said:
I'm not here to cause trouble........ just talk basketball.

I think you'd be more than welcome at Denver Stiffs, as long as you keep it civil
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I kept it civil. It wasn't kept civil towards me and I got ip-banned for it.
 
Socnorb11 said:
At the same time, you're ignoring the fact that Harris has settled in as one of the best shooting guards in the league, and Murray will no longer be a rookie (and could be special).

Gallinari isn't gone yet. Millsap might have a career year, with Jokic feeding him.

We'll see............
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Millsap is declining, and most of Jokics passes go to cutters, which Millsap doesn't really do.

Harris is one of the best SGs in the league?! Lol. He's not Top 9
Harden
Thompson
Derozen
Butler
McCollum
Beal
Middleton
Bradley
Booker

Are all better.

Your young talent will improve but you so have no starting level PG, and guys like Chandler will regress to the mean.
 
Sarni said:
So, what is happening with Hayward?
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Supposedly he's making a decision tonight. Probably going to Miami--allegedly that's where his wife wants to go.
 
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