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You can't out-Draymond a team that picks up a second Draymond.
 
We honestly could of kept our three picks and probably still gotten swanigan, Collins, as well as Jordan bell. I think Collins would of fallen to 15.
 
Nets won't trade for Crabbe, not a chance. They'd rather use the cap space to acquire more picks or talent like they did with Mozgov and Carroll.
 
Sarni said:
Nets won't trade for Crabbe, not a chance. They'd rather use the cap space to acquire more picks or talent like they did with Mozgov and Carroll.
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Wouldn't getting Crabbe be kind of like getting Mozgov? Same kind of contract for basically nothing in return. At least they get someone who can shoot with Crabbe.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Wouldn't getting Crabbe be kind of like getting Mozgov? Same kind of contract for basically nothing in return. At least they get someone who can shoot with Crabbe.
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They got D'Angelo Russell as compensation for taking Mozgov. Russell hasn't been amazing, but he's still a minor prospect. What would Portland offer them to take Crabbe? Probably nothing, since the Blazers don't want to give up assets to dump contracts. So I don't think the two situations are comparable, really.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Wouldn't getting Crabbe be kind of like getting Mozgov? Same kind of contract for basically nothing in return. At least they get someone who can shoot with Crabbe.
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Well, if we also give them a first round pick to go with it, then maybe. But even then, they basically got Russell for taking on Mozgov (they did add Lopez and no. 28 but expiring Lopez had little value for them and 28 is not much), we won't offer them anything nearly as valuable for taking on Crabbe. They received two 2018 picks from Toronto for just taking Carroll's $13M deal which only goes for two more seasons.

Unless we also give them 2018 1st and one of Vonleh/Swanigan/Collins.
 
I don't get Caldwell Pope. He was offered $80M / 5 years from Detroit and turned it down to accept $18M / 1 year from Lakers. Strange.
 
Sarni said:
Well, if we also give them a first round pick to go with it, then maybe. But even then, they basically got Russell for taking on Mozgov (they did add Lopez and no. 28 but expiring Lopez had little value for them and 28 is not much), we won't offer them anything nearly as valuable for taking on Crabbe. They received two 2018 picks from Toronto for just taking Carroll's $13M deal which only goes for two more seasons.

Unless we also give them 2018 1st and one of Vonleh/Swanigan/Collins.
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OK you are right. I misread your post. I thought you were suggesting that Mozgov and Carrol were "talents or draft picks"....
 
Sarni said:
I don't get Caldwell Pope. He was offered $80M / 5 years from Detroit and turned it down to accept $18M / 1 year from Lakers. Strange.
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Good question. Maybe he disliked Detroit, his teammates, or his coach...and just wanted out.
 
Sarni said:
I don't get Caldwell Pope. He was offered $80M / 5 years from Detroit and turned it down to accept $18M / 1 year from Lakers. Strange.
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Well, it's a higher salary for the year and he can take another shot next year at finding a max deal, if he plays well.
 
Minstrel said:
Well, it's a higher salary for the year and he can take another shot next year at finding a max deal, if he plays well.
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Still pretty risky if he gets hurt. He obviously was not happy in Detroit, for whatever reason.
I guess he could have felt slighted by their offer. Maybe his agent convinced him he deserved more.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Still pretty risky if he gets hurt. He obviously was not happy in Detroit, for whatever reason.
I guess he could have felt slighted by their offer. Maybe his agent convinced him he deserved more.
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As I recall, he turned down the extension offer earlier this year. He likely fell into the same trap that so many others did: thinking the "crazy" contracts of last year would continue this year. People assumed Noel was all but guaranteed to generate a max offer, people on this forum thought Plumlee would get $15M+, etc. Last year, Caldwell-Pope would have gotten a max. That's almost certainly why he turned the offer down, IMO: he expected to get a max this off-season.
 
Minstrel said:
As I recall, he turned down the extension offer earlier this year. He likely fell into the same trap that so many others did: thinking the "crazy" contracts of last year would continue this year. People assumed Noel was all but guaranteed to generate a max offer, people on this forum thought Plumlee would get $15M+, etc. Last year, Caldwell-Pope would have gotten a max. That's almost certainly why he turned the offer down, IMO: he expected to get a max this off-season.
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The only player who managed to get that truly ridiculous deal has been Otto Porter, and that's just because Nets thought it'd be funny to trick Wizards into giving him one.
 
Sarni said:
The only player who managed to get that truly ridiculous deal has been Otto Porter, and that's just because Nets thought it'd be funny to trick Wizards into giving him one.
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Tim Hardaway Jr...

At least Porter is a good player. Hardaway's deal is such a Knicks move. It's getting to the point where I literally can't imagine the Knicks ever being a serious basketball outfit for as long as Dolan owns it.
 
Minstrel said:
Tim Hardaway Jr...

At least Porter is a good player. Hardaway's deal is such a Knicks move. It's getting to the point where I literally can't imagine the Knicks ever being a serious basketball outfit for as long as Dolan owns it.
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Hardaway is beyond ridiculous.
 
Minstrel said:
Tim Hardaway Jr...

At least Porter is a good player. Hardaway's deal is such a Knicks move. It's getting to the point where I literally can't imagine the Knicks ever being a serious basketball outfit for as long as Dolan owns it.
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When Jeffrey Loria gives up ownership of the Marlins in another month or so then Dolan probably gets the title of worst owner in pro sports.
 
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