Batum's Inconsistency (1 Viewer)

[Natebishop3]

Seems pretty logical for someone to think he's a better rebounder based on having a better trb%. This confuses you?



Not complaining. Just shooting down posts I think are weak.

Goran Dragic had an asst% of 28.1 and Mo Williams had an asst% of 26.7.

Is Mo Williams that close to Dragic in terms of playmaking? I'm just curious.

Or better yet, do you think Mo is a better point guard than Dame? Lillard had an asst% of 25.1.

 

[BBert]

Batum is consistently the most versatile player on the Portland roster. Batum consistently defers his game to benefit the team and his teammates. Batum consistently provides, night in and night out, the specific tangibles his coach asks: one night, (or for one quarter, or for one play in the clutch), it's to defend a specific player; another it's to distribute the ball and set up teammates; another it's to crash the boards; or set up for the three; and sometimes it's all of those. When he chases down an opponent who is racing down the court, to block the shot, that shows desire. I've seen Batum take, and make, plenty of clutch shots in high pressure points in a game. In fact, I'd say he excels when the pressure is on, or when the team needs him to make a play. And through it all, Batum is consistently bashed by ignoramuses who don't understand the nuance of team basketball.

 

[RoyToy]

Goran Dragic had an asst% of 28.1 and Mo Williams had an asst% of 26.7.

Is Mo Williams that close to Dragic in terms of playmaking? I'm just curious.

I certainly wouldn't get it wrong and say Williams is a better playmaker than Dragic, like you said Batum is a better rebounder than Leonard

You're saying I'm "predictable" about it, yet you didn't even get it right in the first place. I had to correct you.

Learn the facts.

 

[Natebishop3]

You make this and Leonard is better in 3 out of the 4

Dude, use your head

You compared him to Tayshaun Prince. Have you looked at Prince's numbers?

Last season Batum averaged 13 points, 5 assists, 7.5 rebounds, and 15.8 PER.

Prince never averaged more than 3.3 assists, 5.8 rebounds, and his highest PER was 16.2. Batum's highest PER was 17.3 (twice).

You compare Nic to a guy that never really played as well as Batum already has at 25.

 

[Natebishop3]

I certainly wouldn't get it wrong and say Williams is a better playmaker than Dragic, like you said Batum is a better rebounder than Leonard

You're saying I'm "predictable" about it, yet you didn't even get it right in the first place. I had to correct you.

Learn the facts.

Batum averaged more rebounds. A full 1.3 more per game.

Is Mo a better passer than Dame? The averages don't think so, but the asst% says he is. Just wondering.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Batum needs that drive, passion, killer instinct, aggressiveness that Matthews has. Batum coasts far to often and it drives me crazy!

Is he coasting or is he playing with himself and managing his resources through out the game? If you ask him it's probably the later but more than likely it's a lil bit of both. I think he is a very smart ball player...Maybe too smart. I feel that way about a lot of these guys on the team.

I think he has another level. I do think we will see that other level. And I think it's a good possibility it occurs this year. It wouldn't surprise me if it happens this year and earns a spot on the All Star team. LA made a jump last year, or at least I feel he did and I think Nic will do something similar this year.

 

[Minstrel]

I think if you suggested to Terry Stotts that Batum dogs it and doesn't give it his all, Stotts would punch you right in the nose.

 

[RoyToy]

You compared him to Tayshaun Prince. Have you looked at Prince's numbers?

Last season Batum averaged 13 points, 5 assists, 7.5 rebounds, and 15.8 PER.

Prince never averaged more than 3.3 assists, 5.8 rebounds, and his highest PER was 16.2. Batum's highest PER was 17.3 (twice).

You compare Nic to a guy that never really played as well as Batum already has at 25.

So the difference between Nic's highest PER and Prince's highest PER is 1

Difference between Nic and Leonard in PER from last season: 4

You weren't convinced Leonard was clearly better than Nic, yet for some reason you believe Prince isn't even in Batum's league.

I'm off by 1 PER, you're off by 4 PER.

Christ man. You're so inconsistent with your reasoning, probably because you're not looking at it objectively.

Prince is not a bad comp. for Batum at all. Similar roles and numbers.

Who is your comparison for Batum? HINT: DON'T SAY SCOTTIE PIPPEN

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Is he coasting or is he playing with himself and managing his resources through out the game? If you ask him it's probably the later

If Baum would stopping playing with himself throughout the game, he might be able to dribble with both hands...

 

[B-Roy]

Nic had a PER of 16 on a USG of 16.5 last season. At 36 minutes per game, that's some nice production on low usage for a secondary scoring option.

He's not a secondary scoring option. Hell he's not even the tertiary scoring option.

Those expecting him to turn into a star....at this point in his career, come on....

He's a good player, an above average starter, and a critical part of the team. I don't understand why people feel the need to furiously defend him when people don't think he's one of the best SF in the league?

 

[magnifier661]

So the difference between Nic's highest PER and Prince's highest PER is 1

Difference between Nic and Leonard in PER from last season: 4

You weren't convinced Leonard was clearly better than Nic, yet for some reason you believe Prince isn't even in Batum's league.

I'm off by 1 PER, you're off by 4 PER.

Christ man. You're so inconsistent with your reasoning, probably because you're not looking at it objectively.

Prince is not a bad comp. for Batum at all. Similar roles and numbers.

Who is your comparison for Batum? HINT: DON'T SAY SCOTTIE PIPPEN

Leonard's per is a joke. Use players that actually play the game bro. This "per" argument is comical

 

[magnifier661]

He's not a secondary scoring option. Hell he's not even the tertiary scoring option.

Those expecting him to turn into a star....at this point in his career, come on....

He's a good player, an above average starter, and a critical part of the team. I don't understand why people feel the need to furiously defend him when people don't think he's one of the best SF in the league?

The same was said about Aldridge... Just sayin'

 

[RoyToy]

Batum averaged more rebounds. A full 1.3 more per game.

Is Mo a better passer than Dame? The averages don't think so, but the asst% says he is. Just wondering.

Well I've never said ast% makes you a better passer or playmaker, so your question doesn't really pertain to me

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Those expecting him to turn into a star....at this point in his career, come on....

He's 25.

 

[BBert]

I don't understand why people feel the need to furiously defend him when people don't think he's one of the best SF in the league?

Speaking only for myself, I'm not defending him vs. people who don't think he's one of the best SF in the league, I'm defending him against people who think he's garbage and we should dump him and play...who exactly in his place??? (Also, I'm not furious. )

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Leonard's per is a joke. Use players that actually play the game bro. This "per" argument is comical

I think they're talking about Kawhi, not Meyers.

 

[RoyToy]

Leonard's per is a joke. Use players that actually play the game bro.

What does this even mean?

 

[magnifier661]

I think they're talking about Kawhi, not Meyers.

Ooooooh hahaha I was like "that seems like the biggest reach ever!"

 

[BBert]

Ooooooh hahaha I was like "that seems like the biggest reach ever!" .

One toke over the line, sweet Jesus, one toke over the line....

 

[magnifier661]

What does this even mean?

Hahaha came late to the party. Thought you were talking about Meyers Leonard!

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Hahaha came late to the party. Thought you were talking about Meyers Leonard!

He was. lol

 

[magnifier661]

He was. lol

Really?!

 

[magnifier661]

One toke over the line, sweet Jesus, one toke over the line....

And Booooom goes the dynamite

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Really?!

Kawhi 'Leonard'

 

[RoyToy]

Let's see some player comparisons for Batum since comparing him to Tayshaun Prince is seen as a disgrace on this forum

All welcomed to join in

 

[magnifier661]

Let's see some player comparisons for Batum since comparing him to Tayshaun Prince is seen as a disgrace on this forum

All welcomed to join in

I actually like the prince comparison, but he's (batum) better. Pippen is the best version of them all.

 

[Natebishop3]

So the difference between Nic's highest PER and Prince's highest PER is 1

Difference between Nic and Leonard in PER from last season: 4

You weren't convinced Leonard was clearly better than Nic, yet for some reason you believe Prince isn't even in Batum's league.

I'm off by 1 PER, you're off by 4 PER.

Christ man. You're so inconsistent with your reasoning, probably because you're not looking at it objectively.

Prince is not a bad comp. for Batum at all. Similar roles and numbers.

Who is your comparison for Batum? HINT: DON'T SAY SCOTTIE PIPPEN

No, you clearly don't understand what I'm getting at.

Kawhi Leonard is the prototypical scoring small forward. He's a Paul George type guy. I'm sure he'll have numerous All-Star games, and in that regard he is better than Batum. I won't argue that.

Batum is a utility player. He's arguably the best utility player in the league. He scores, he passes, he rebounds, and he defends. The only name you could come up with is Tayshaun Prince, and Batum is better than Prince. He's a better passer, a better rebounder, and if you compare their numbers at 25 years old, he's a better shooter.

Utility guys like Batum are rare. Much rarer than scoring wings like George or Leonard. You don't appreciate that aspect of the game, and that's fine. That's your prerogative.

I will also point out that averages are a statistical fact of what actually happened. Rebound percentages and per 36 are projections of what could happen. There are other variables that could affect those numbers. The only fact that matters is that Batum averaged more rebounds than Leonard, so based on that fact, he is a better rebounder.

 

[Natebishop3]

Let's see some player comparisons for Batum since comparing him to Tayshaun Prince is seen as a disgrace on this forum

All welcomed to join in

The fact that you can't come up with someone else besides Prince as the base line, or Pippen as the extreme, proves how difficult it is to find players like Batum.

How many scoring wings are there in the league? How many have there been in the last ten years? There are a bunch of guys like Kawhi Leonard. He's not a unique snowflake, no matter how much you want him to be.

 

[RoyToy]

No, you clearly don't understand what I'm getting at.

Kawhi Leonard is the prototypical scoring small forward. He's a Paul George type guy. I'm sure he'll have numerous All-Star games, and in that regard he is better than Batum. I won't argue that.

Batum is a utility player. He's arguably the best utility player in the league. He scores, he passes, he rebounds, and he defends. The only name you could come up with is Tayshaun Prince, and Batum is better than Prince. He's a better passer, a better rebounder, and if you compare their numbers at 25 years old, he's a better shooter.

Utility guys like Batum are rare. Much rarer than scoring wings like George or Leonard. You don't appreciate that aspect of the game, and that's fine. That's your prerogative.

I will also point out that averages are a statistical fact of what actually happened. Rebound percentages and per 36 are projections of what could happen. There are other variables that could affect those numbers. The only fact that matters is that Batum averaged more rebounds than Leonard, so based on that fact, he is a better rebounder.

So who is better

Kawhi Leonard or Nicolas Batum?

 

[RoyToy]

I will also point out that averages are a statistical fact of what actually happened. Rebound percentages and per 36 are projections of what could happen. There are other variables that could affect those numbers. The only fact that matters is that Batum averaged more rebounds than Leonard, so based on that fact, he is a better rebounder.

Also, lol

K.