Batum's Inconsistency

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Natebishop's line saying Batum is a rarer player than Paul George is the worst line of the thread

Like you honestly don't believe Paul George could take a lesser role, average fewer shots, be more of a facilitator and average at least 5apg?

Come on.

The great players in the NBA could do exactly what Batum is doing right now if they wanted to take a lesser role.

Instead they're too busy leading their teams.

My point from the beginning is that you're comparing apples to oranges saying kawhi is better is irrelevant because they fill different roles. Others have made this point as well.

Yes I personally think guys like Batum are harder to find. How many players could put up the elusive 5 points, 5 board, 5 assists, 5 steals and 5 blocks? The only guy I can think of is ak47.
 
Wait, after reading this thread I've learned the following...

1. Every stat posted by anyone other than RoyToy is pure junk. Only the stats posted by RoyToy mean anything.

Wrong. He RoyToy liked my stats too.

I will not be ignored!!
 
How many players could put up the elusive 5 points, 5 board, 5 assists, 5 steals and 5 blocks? The only guy I can think of is ak47.

Well now you're just cherry-picking stats. :)

I wonder how many guys can put up 5 fouls/5 turnovers/5 missed FTs a game over a season. That would be a unique player!
 
Wrong. He RoyToy liked my stats too.

I will not be ignored!!

You weren't using hyperbole, though. Plus, your use of stats illustrated that Leonard is a uniquely good role player, too, which isn't at all an extreme position.
 
So who is better

Kawhi Leonard or Nicolas Batum?

Leonard is a little better. But the Spurs are also the best coached team in the league and one of the best coached ever. I think Batum might look a lot like Leonard had he developed in the Spurs' system (and the Spurs also wanted to draft him).
 
Leonard is a little better. But the Spurs are also the best coached team in the league and one of the best coached ever. I think Batum might look a lot like Leonard had he developed in the Spurs' system (and the Spurs also wanted to draft him).

Since Stotts became coach, Nic's assists have skyrocketed. He's really only been "New Nic" for 2 years now, and yes, McMillan parked him in the corner and didn't utilize his skillset. I think Nic's going to have a huge year again, but it won't be mind-blowing in terms of stats because he isn't asked to finish offensive plays consistently. Which makes a player seem, well, inconsistent, I suppose if you just look at stats.
 
You're killing it today

All it is is an anomaly

Averaging 13/7.5/5 for an entire season isn't an anomaly, though, especially when you also have to defend PGs at times when your own point guard is getting torched. That's a nice anomaly to have for a starter, even if you do consider it an anomaly.
 
Leonard is a little better. But the Spurs are also the best coached team in the league and one of the best coached ever. I think Batum might look a lot like Leonard had he developed in the Spurs' system (and the Spurs also wanted to draft him).

I think Leonard has certain traits (toughness, aggressiveness, crazy fast twitch fibers) that Batum doesn't posses

When he's really going he can impose his will on both sides of the floor, and he just turned 23

Give me Kawhi Leonard 10 times out of 10
 
Averaging 13/7.5/5 for an entire season isn't an anomaly, though, especially when you also have to defend PGs at times when your own point guard is getting torched. That's a nice anomaly to have for a starter, even if you do consider it an anomaly.

It's a nice stat line
 
My point from the beginning is that you're comparing apples to oranges saying kawhi is better is irrelevant because they fill different roles. Others have made this point as well.

Yes I personally think guys like Batum are harder to find. How many players could put up the elusive 5 points, 5 board, 5 assists, 5 steals and 5 blocks? The only guy I can think of is ak47.

Guys like Paul George are much harder to find than Batum

I feel like this is pretty elementary
 
It's a nice stat line

It's a stat line that helped lead to a 54-win season on a team that had a horrible bench. 13/7.5/5 on the Kings is a stat line. 13/7.5/5 on a 54-win team is a productive and very good player.
 
I would rather have Leonard to be fair. And Roytoy is right. Leonard is more aggressive and has that killer instinct
 
It's a stat line that helped lead to a 54-win season on a team that had a horrible bench. 13/7.5/5 on the Kings is a stat line. 13/7.5/5 on a 54-win team is a productive and very good player.

Agreed

He played a good role on the Blazers last year as a nice complimentary piece to Lillard and Aldridge

Probably the 4th best starter last year for the Blazers, as I think Robin Lopez was more important
 
Guys like Paul George are much harder to find than Batum

I feel like this is pretty elementary

Paul George's TS% last season was only .551, though his USG was 28.3. Maybe Stotts should utilize Nico and his .586 TS$ even more in the offense? :dunno:

.551 TS% player are a dime a dozen. :)
 
I would rather have Leonard to be fair. And Roytoy is right. Leonard is more aggressive and has that killer instinct

So now we're debating on who you'd rather have. The NBA Finals MVP, or Nic Batum, and it's a serious discussion.

That kind of tells me Nic's a very good player.
 
Paul George's TS% last season was only .551, though his USG was 28.3. Maybe Stotts should utilize Nico and his .586 TS$ even more in the offense? :dunno:

.551 TS% player are a dime a dozen. :)

Keep bringing the jokes!
 
So now we're debating on who you'd rather have. The NBA Finals MVP, or Nic Batum, and it's a serious discussion.

That kind of tells me Nic's a very good player.

It's not really a debate imo, and I said that in 2013
 
I wasn't meaning you. I don't expect you to budge from bashing Nic during game threads. It's what you do!

Batum might get the year off

I hated the BLANKEY signing because he sucks, so I'm sure I'll be directing my posts towards that
 
After awhile one needs to look at the team collectively instead of individual stats. You want a stat pad guy, Kevin Love is your guy. You want an allstar? Jeremy Lin is a 2 time allstar. Batum is the opposite of that. This team is trying to get the best shot and Nic makes the extra pass. Comparing the Blazers under Stotts to the Spurs? Compare them when LaMarcus and Stotts have been together for almost 2 decades like Pops and Duncan. Spurs are a great team. I respect them but I like the Blazers chances. An improved bench should see Batum getting some rest this season. He carried this team's bench more often than not. I think he's a keeper and I'm glad we have him. After last season's playoffs, every team in the league wants to be the Spurs. They set the bar pretty high.
 
I think Leonard has certain traits (toughness, aggressiveness, crazy fast twitch fibers) that Batum doesn't posses

Leonard wasn't naturally aggressive, either. Popovich had to encourage him to take more shots as his natural inclination was to keep the ball moving. I think he'd have gotten something similar out of Batum. I don't think there's a toughness/athleticism gap between them of great significance. I do think Leonard has proven to be a bit better at creating his own shot. I'd take Leonard over Batum, but I think they're very similar types of players and actually better comps for each other than Prince would be for either.
 
You want a stat pad guy, Kevin Love is your guy.

This runs contrary to my view of the player, because I really like Chris Paul, but he's also become a bit of a stat beast who even with other All-Stars can't get past the 2nd-round of the playoffs. He's nearing 30, and some are calling him the best PG of all-time, which bewilders me because as a former HS PG at a school with 2300 students, you're judged on winning at that position more than any other.
 
Agreed

He played a good role on the Blazers last year as a nice complimentary piece to Lillard and Aldridge

Probably the 4th best starter last year for the Blazers, as I think Robin Lopez was more important

If that was what you're getting at, I agree with it.

Maybe that's why Mo went to Minny? We told him to sign there to stick it to Minny for signing Batum to such a big contract. :lol:
 
Batum is consistently the most versatile player on the Portland roster. Batum consistently defers his game to benefit the team and his teammates. Batum consistently provides, night in and night out, the specific tangibles his coach asks: one night, (or for one quarter, or for one play in the clutch), it's to defend a specific player; another it's to distribute the ball and set up teammates; another it's to crash the boards; or set up for the three; and sometimes it's all of those. When he chases down an opponent who is racing down the court, to block the shot, that shows desire. I've seen Batum take, and make, plenty of clutch shots in high pressure points in a game. In fact, I'd say he excels when the pressure is on, or when the team needs him to make a play. And through it all, Batum is consistently bashed by ignoramuses who don't understand the nuance of team basketball.
DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING! WE HAVE A WINNER!
 
Batum might get the year off

I hated the BLANKEY signing because he sucks, so I'm sure I'll be directing my posts towards that

So you don't plan on having any positive posts?

Not. Surprised.
 
DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING! WE HAVE A WINNER!

BBert's comment is spot-on to me, too.

Originally Posted by BBert View Post
Batum is consistently the most versatile player on the Portland roster. Batum consistently defers his game to benefit the team and his teammates. Batum consistently provides, night in and night out, the specific tangibles his coach asks: one night, (or for one quarter, or for one play in the clutch), it's to defend a specific player; another it's to distribute the ball and set up teammates; another it's to crash the boards; or set up for the three; and sometimes it's all of those. When he chases down an opponent who is racing down the court, to block the shot, that shows desire. I've seen Batum take, and make, plenty of clutch shots in high pressure points in a game. In fact, I'd say he excels when the pressure is on, or when the team needs him to make a play. And through it all, Batum is consistently bashed by ignoramuses who don't understand the nuance of team basketball.

Batum may not appear "consistent" because he's the one who is asked to adapt his game based on match-ups above all other players in the starting line-up. LMA and Lillard are going to be the focus on offense. RoLo is going to crash offensive boards and protect the rim on the weakside. Wes is going to share #1 perimeter defensive responsibilities with Batum, but offensively all he's asked to do is make 3s off of ball rotations, for the most part. Batum? He guards everyone from PGs to PFs, he at times handles the ball as a PG on offense, he at times spots up on offense, and he at times (such as late in Game 6 against Houston) is asked to create his own shot.

His role is inconsistent based on on what he's asked to do, so by nature he should be viewed as an inconsistent player.
 

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