Trade Ben Simmons poll

[illmatic99]

There's a huge problem from Morey's side and it's that they don't have a top shelf facilitator to initiate their offense without Ben or trading Ben for someone that can. So if they want to lose games with Seth bringing the ball up and initiating the offense or with Shake doing the same thing then they can try and call Ben's bluff but it's going to go badly for them. This is a team that will want the number one seed in the East again and every regular season win they can get. Every loss (if it comes to that) will give opposing GMs more and more leverage over Morey.

It just came out that the Cavs are making headway on an extension with Sexton and see him there long term. Unless DLo is coming over in a Minny deal that deal doesn't make the Sixers better and DLo is a worse fit than CJ. They really have limited options and the way the Sixers have handled this has been a complete clusterfuck.

they appear to be really high on Maxey

 

[Natebishop3]

If I’m a star there’s no way I’m wanting to go to Philly after this mess. No way in hell.

 

[illmatic99]

If I’m a star there’s no way I’m wanting to go to Philly after this mess. No way in hell.

that's the picture Rich Paul will try to portray, but I don't really see the merit. Ben does seem quite thin skinned. Embiid was commenting yesterday on how he wouldn't get offended if he were offered in trades for other stars. I think that was direct shot at Ben for getting all in his feelings about being put in trade offers. And that's justified.

The criticism and commentary among Philly fans/local media is nasty, but that comes with the territory. How much crap has CJ gotten here the past five years? Doesn't affect his mindset one bit.

 

[Natebishop3]

that's the picture Rich Paul will try to portray, but I don't really see the merit. Ben does seem quite thin skinned. Embiid was commenting yesterday on how he wouldn't get offended if he were offered in trades for other stars. I think that was direct shot at Ben for getting all in his feelings about being put in trade offers. And that's justified.

The criticism and commentary among Philly fans/local media is nasty, but that comes with the territory. How much crap has CJ gotten here the past five years? Doesn't affect his mindset one bit.

The combination of Embiid and Rivers throwing him under the bus after the playoffs and the team mishandling the whole situation and then refusing to trade him after the whole thing is just a bad look for that organization. I wouldn’t want to go there.

Also I don’t know many people who hate CJ. They might think he’s a bad fit and they might want to trade him but I don’t know anyone who hates him or burned his jersey. And I’d say he shit the bed just as bad as Simmons in the playoffs.

 

[illmatic99]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/9/28/22698824/ben-simmons-trade-philadelphia-76ers


Offers for Simmons have thus far included draft picks or young players, not anything a contender like Philadelphia would want. And since nearly half the league is ineligible to be dealt until December 15, teams that might be willing to offer a veteran can’t do that yet. One league source framed it like this: Reasonable offers have been made, but acceptable offers likely won’t come until December or January because players acquired this offseason will become available for trades and more teams will know how they stack up.

It has been widely reported that the Kings, Raptors, Timberwolves, and Warriors have interest in Simmons. Bleacher Report’s Jake Fischer also reported that the Spurs have made inquiries. More teams will inevitably make serious efforts to acquire Simmons if they underwhelm to begin the season. Of the known teams with interest, Sacramento could theoretically provide Simmons with the offensive environment he seeks, with a group of dynamic guards and a fast-paced system. Minnesota could flank Simmons with an All-Star big man, though unlike Embiid, Karl-Anthony Towns feasts from the perimeter as an elite shooter. But to make a significant offer for Simmons, any team will need to have the right trade pieces and believe in his ability to thrive in a more featured role, all potentially without seeing him play another game.

For now, Philadelphia’s best bet is to wait. The Sixers can bide their time, to see whether Damian Lillard or Bradley Beal demands a trade. Waiting may ultimately get Simmons what he wants, too: The Trail Blazers or Wizards could rebuild their rosters around Simmons. League sources say the Rockets planned on building their system around Simmons before eventually taking Brooklyn’s offer for Harden. Perhaps another team in a retooling phase will look to feature Simmons to find out whether he indeed does have the untapped potential he and those around him think he does.

 

[Hoopguru]

The combination of Embiid and Rivers throwing him under the bus after the playoffs and the team mishandling the whole situation and then refusing to trade him after the whole thing is just a bad look for that organization. I wouldn’t want to go there.

Also I don’t know many people who hate CJ. They might think he’s a bad fit and they might want to trade him but I don’t know anyone who hates him or burned his jersey. And I’d say he shit the bed just as bad as Simmons in the playoffs.

Rivers was the reason they are in this boat and he's not being truthful about how he's answered the question.

 

[Natebishop3]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/9/28/22698824/ben-simmons-trade-philadelphia-76ers


Offers for Simmons have thus far included draft picks or young players, not anything a contender like Philadelphia would want. And since nearly half the league is ineligible to be dealt until December 15, teams that might be willing to offer a veteran can’t do that yet. One league source framed it like this: Reasonable offers have been made, but acceptable offers likely won’t come until December or January because players acquired this offseason will become available for trades and more teams will know how they stack up.

It has been widely reported that the Kings, Raptors, Timberwolves, and Warriors have interest in Simmons. Bleacher Report’s Jake Fischer also reported that the Spurs have made inquiries. More teams will inevitably make serious efforts to acquire Simmons if they underwhelm to begin the season. Of the known teams with interest, Sacramento could theoretically provide Simmons with the offensive environment he seeks, with a group of dynamic guards and a fast-paced system. Minnesota could flank Simmons with an All-Star big man, though unlike Embiid, Karl-Anthony Towns feasts from the perimeter as an elite shooter. But to make a significant offer for Simmons, any team will need to have the right trade pieces and believe in his ability to thrive in a more featured role, all potentially without seeing him play another game.

For now, Philadelphia’s best bet is to wait. The Sixers can bide their time, to see whether Damian Lillard or Bradley Beal demands a trade. Waiting may ultimately get Simmons what he wants, too: The Trail Blazers or Wizards could rebuild their rosters around Simmons. League sources say the Rockets planned on building their system around Simmons before eventually taking Brooklyn’s offer for Harden. Perhaps another team in a retooling phase will look to feature Simmons to find out whether he indeed does have the untapped potential he and those around him think he does.

It’s so weird to me that we aren’t in the teams mentioned.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

It’s so weird to me that we aren’t in the teams mentioned.

They mentioned us.

As a team Philly is waiting on, to get Dame.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Just make a move already….

 

[illmatic99]

Reading that KOC article about how Ben wants to be more of a focus on offense. On initial look, it seems ridiculous. Why would a guy with his lack of offensive skill deserve more touches?

But then you look at usage rates, he's not wrong. He's a PG who averages 8 assists per game with only 20% usage through his career! That's crazy. CJ is at 27% and only puts up 4 assists a game. Trying to find any other primary ball handlers with lower usage than him.. and i can't find any.

On the Sixers, this was their breakdown of usage last year:

Embiid - 35
Milton - 25
Harris - 24
Maxey - 23
Korkmaz - 20.5
Simmons - 20.2

That is insane!

 

[julius]

I think it's safe to say the team has moved on from Benny

 

[PtldPlatypus]

But then you look at usage rates, he's not wrong. He's a PG who averages 8 assists per game with only 20% usage through his career! That's crazy. CJ is at 27% and only puts up 4 assists a game. Trying to find any other primary ball handlers with lower usage than him.. and i can't find any.
!

Ricky Rubio?

 

[illmatic99]

Ricky Rubio?

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Nice! These guys with > 30% AST% on <25% USG% are not easy to find but they do exist. I just had to look on the NBA stats page.



This was in the playoffs, btw.



(Check out Ben's NET rating).

 

[Buffalo Custard]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/9/28/22698824/ben-simmons-trade-philadelphia-76ers


Offers for Simmons have thus far included draft picks or young players, not anything a contender like Philadelphia would want. And since nearly half the league is ineligible to be dealt until December 15, teams that might be willing to offer a veteran can’t do that yet. One league source framed it like this: Reasonable offers have been made, but acceptable offers likely won’t come until December or January because players acquired this offseason will become available for trades and more teams will know how they stack up.

It has been widely reported that the Kings, Raptors, Timberwolves, and Warriors have interest in Simmons. Bleacher Report’s Jake Fischer also reported that the Spurs have made inquiries. More teams will inevitably make serious efforts to acquire Simmons if they underwhelm to begin the season. Of the known teams with interest, Sacramento could theoretically provide Simmons with the offensive environment he seeks, with a group of dynamic guards and a fast-paced system. Minnesota could flank Simmons with an All-Star big man, though unlike Embiid, Karl-Anthony Towns feasts from the perimeter as an elite shooter. But to make a significant offer for Simmons, any team will need to have the right trade pieces and believe in his ability to thrive in a more featured role, all potentially without seeing him play another game.

For now, Philadelphia’s best bet is to wait. The Sixers can bide their time, to see whether Damian Lillard or Bradley Beal demands a trade. Waiting may ultimately get Simmons what he wants, too: The Trail Blazers or Wizards could rebuild their rosters around Simmons. League sources say the Rockets planned on building their system around Simmons before eventually taking Brooklyn’s offer for Harden. Perhaps another team in a retooling phase will look to feature Simmons to find out whether he indeed does have the untapped potential he and those around him think he does.

Don't overlook the part of that article that says Simmons wants to go to a team where he is THE #1 guy. If that is true Simmons is A) delusional, because he isn't that good, and B) a horrible match with Dame.

 

[Idog1976]

that's the picture Rich Paul will try to portray, but I don't really see the merit. Ben does seem quite thin skinned. Embiid was commenting yesterday on how he wouldn't get offended if he were offered in trades for other stars. I think that was direct shot at Ben for getting all in his feelings about being put in trade offers. And that's justified.

The criticism and commentary among Philly fans/local media is nasty, but that comes with the territory. How much crap has CJ gotten here the past five years? Doesn't affect his mindset one bit.

Well, I mean zero compared to Simmons in Philly. Was he eviscerated for his stepping out of bounds? Not that I recall. That was the single worst, single play Blazers blunder since Drexler did one pass too many in the 1991 WCF to uncle Cliffy, or maybe that was 1990. He should have been roasted and nobody said anything, except how great his vineyards are and stuff. I've seen nothing but kid gloves from the media with CJ, they've gone harder after Dame for crying out loud.

 

[blazerkor]

Don't overlook the part of that article that says Simmons wants to go to a team where he is THE #1 guy. If that is true Simmons is A) delusional, because he isn't that good, and B) a horrible match with Dame.

If his next team has any sense he'll be playing the 4 and be their second scoring option and second ball handler. He would do amazing in that role. They'll also get him about 15 shot attempts in the restricted area. I think when you hear that he wants to be the number one option he just doesn't want to have to constantly feed a guy that dominates the paint like Embiid does so he has no ability to score. If he came here I would hope he would be our number one interior scoring option.

 

[Predator]

Yes, I do think they would hold him an entire year if it made sense.

If Philly makes a bad trade, while it might give them more value than Simmons sitting out right now it will basically guarantee they can't contend for a title. Morey is a title or bust GM.

I think Morey would rather hold on to Ben with the idea his trade value could go up or another all star will be available.

Morey and Philly owners aren't emotional in the moment like the Cleveland, Minny, New Orleans owners. They will take a step back now, even for many months, to take a bigger step forward later if that looks like the better avenue to a title.

We will agree to disagree.

Ben Simmons trade value next year, no matter what, is going to be lower than it currently is if he sits out an entire year without playing. So I have a hard, hard hard time believing they’d keep him going into next year.

Unless he is playing, there is no way they can keep him beyond the trade deadline.

If it gets into next year(!) then the 76ers really have to trade him for something or else they’ve just wasted 2 years of Embiids knees, since Simmons made it clear he will sit out. And if they play chicken again, teams will just say… forgot the additional pick, the new offer is this. Take it or leave it or watch Simmons sit out for another year.

I also HIGHLY doubt Embiid is fine with throwing away this year by keeping Simmons on the team without trading him. He wants help NOW.


imagine if CJ requested a trade, sat out, and we just let it happen. Dame would probably request a trade shortly thereafter for wasting his time or demand that a trade is made because “this season matters too.”

I just can’t see your perspective at all my friend

 

[Hoopguru]

Sacramento he would be the man and they can build around him. They've got young and older talent that could help Philly now.

 

[Hoopguru]

Simmons for D.Fox, Jones & Metu

 

[SharpesTriumph]

We will agree to disagree.

Ben Simmons trade value next year, no matter what, is going to be lower than it currently is if he sits out an entire year without playing. So I have a hard, hard hard time believing they’d keep him going into next year.

Unless he is playing, there is no way they can keep him beyond the trade deadline.

If it gets into next year(!) then the 76ers really have to trade him for something or else they’ve just wasted 2 years of Embiids knees, since Simmons made it clear he will sit out. And if they play chicken again, teams will just say… forgot the additional pick, the new offer is this. Take it or leave it or watch Simmons sit out for another year.

I also HIGHLY doubt Embiid is fine with throwing away this year by keeping Simmons on the team without trading him. He wants help NOW.


imagine if CJ requested a trade, sat out, and we just let it happen. Dame would probably request a trade shortly thereafter for wasting his time or demand that a trade is made because “this season matters too.”

I just can’t see your perspective at all my friend

I agree with much of your reasons and overall I do expect Simmons to be dealt by the trade deadline.

The question was if Philly doesn't get quality offers would they be willing to do that crazy long wait instead of a bad trade? I think Morey would, he is a title or bust GM, and if a Simmons trade doesn't give them a better chance at a title I think they would wait, even past the trade deadline, even if it unthinkably went on an entire calendar year.

That seems very unlikely to happen though, as by the trade deadline there will be many more players available, signed free agents trade restrictions will all be lifted, and many teams that have given up on the year after losses or injuries, so I expect he will be traded by then.

But the people who are saying Morey is an idiot for waiting and Simmons value is going down every day and they will have to trade him for whatever they can get because they have no options are wrong IMO. The 6ers have options, they can wait, and I expect them to do so until they get a fair return that they think gets them closer to a title.

 

[boredinsalem]

Sacramento he would be the man and they can build around him. They've got young and older talent that could help Philly now.

I think Davion Mitchell would be perfect with Ant and Dame if CJ wasn't here. We'd have a hole in our offense, but I'd love to see something like this:

CJ and kings pick(s) to Philly
Ben to Sacramento
Mitchell/Barnes to Portland

With that said, I value CJ less than most and like D Mitch more than most.

Lillard/Mitchell
Powell/Simons
Barnes/Little
Covington/Nance
Nurkic/Zeller

Most of our action would be based on 1/5 pick n roll and we'd be extremely dependent on Dame's health and Ant's growth, but that would be a fun team to watch on defense for sure. With Mitchell and Powell taking point of attack on defense (and having fresh legs) we could unleash Covington and Nance as help defenders going for steals.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

On the one hand:


On the other:

 

[Hoopguru]

Morey referred to the Rogers situation so I do think there is a chance Simmons and Morey strike a deal where he comes back to improve his value and they will make an effort to trade him to a team in CA by the deadline. Rogers is probably gone after this year. Otherwise he can lose all the money he wants and the Sixers will move on without him, why put off the inevitable, and wait for the best deal before the deadline.
If Ben's not getting paid I doubt his agent is?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If Ben's not getting paid I doubt his agent is?

Agent gets paid for procuring the contract, not for the athlete fulfilling it. Guarantee you there's no way the agent gives a dime back.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Every time a Ben Simmons report happens he comes off looking dumber and dumber by the minute and his trade value just goes down if I was the 76ers I would tell him -- " you want to get traded then STFU and let us trade you but your killing your value"

All these reports and not ONE of them if I take a team fandom out of it and just be an NBA fan makes me think ANY team should trade for him if anything I would tell him go find a team in Europe or China to play for and come back once you get a clue in that pea sized friggin brain of yours. All i see is what team he might play for and other BS stuff and very few IF any reports that he is fixing his game after he made himself look foolish in the playoffs last season so again Ben Simmons go pound sand .

I want him NOWHERE near this team and at this point if the Blazers could trade him for a box of rocks I would rather have the box of rocks then this complete loser.

PS -- I was going to mention the report he wants to be traded to a team that makes him focus of the offense but that is so laughable - ROFL.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Agent gets paid for procuring the contract, not for the athlete fulfilling it. Guarantee you there's no way the agent gives a dime back.

Maybe, or maybe not. Clutch is the most powerful agent in the NBA right now so I could see them doing something else where they even front Ben money but get it all paid back later... in the end it wouldn't cost them anything, but it would be a hell of a selling point to acquire future clients.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think Davion Mitchell would be perfect with Ant and Dame if CJ wasn't here. We'd have a hole in our offense, but I'd love to see something like this:

CJ and kings pick(s) to Philly
Ben to Sacramento
Mitchell/Barnes to Portland

With that said, I value CJ less than most and like D Mitch more than most.

Lillard/Mitchell
Powell/Simons
Barnes/Little
Covington/Nance
Nurkic/Zeller

Most of our action would be based on 1/5 pick n roll and we'd be extremely dependent on Dame's health and Ant's growth, but that would be a fun team to watch on defense for sure. With Mitchell and Powell taking point of attack on defense (and having fresh legs) we could unleash Covington and Nance as help defenders going for steals.

There is no way the Blazers would trade CJ for a rookie. Dame is 31.

The idea of acquiring Barnes isn't bad, but not for CJ, who is a superior player. If the Blazers do a trade it should be a consolidation trade to upgrade the starting lineup, not give up the better player.

That lineup you list will have trouble creating offense and would rely too much on Lillard to initiate everything. He might be fine for 5-10 games of it, but not for 82 games, nor the double teams in the playoffs.

 

[illmatic99]

Scotto: I spoke with one agent who reps a player on the 76ers over the weekend. He said, “If they can’t figure it out, the season’s over before it even starts.” It seems, as of right now, the best Philly can theoretically get for a win-now player in the short-term would be a deal with Portland for CJ McCollum, but Philly has had their eyes on Damian Lillard for a while, and they don’t want to settle.

Well, Dame is fully bought into Portland. He ain't leaving this year. So our continued hope should be for Dame to openly recommit even more vigorously to take himself out of any potential trade picture, while Rich Paul makes it uglier.

 

[boredinsalem]

There is no way the Blazers would trade CJ for a rookie. Dame is 31.

The idea of acquiring Barnes isn't bad, but not for CJ, who is a superior player. If the Blazers do a trade it should be a consolidation trade to upgrade the starting lineup, not give up the better player.

That lineup you list will have trouble creating offense and would rely too much on Lillard to initiate everything. He might be fine for 5-10 games of it, but not for 82 games, nor the double teams in the playoffs.

Agreed that it would be unlikely, but if Mitchell shows out in pre-season, I think he's an unusual rookie (already 24) and could be a bargain contract for several years that allows the team to take on another decent size contract and stay out of luxury tax this year.

You're right, we'd give up a fair amount of offense and be dependent on pick n roll, but we have three bigs that are competent in the short roll (Nurkic/Nance/Zeller) and would be hoping for offensive leaps from Powell and Ant. I think we would be in a better place for double teams. Still lots of shooting and Barnes/Mitchell can handle fine as well. CJ spaces the court but can't run an offense for shit.

I think that team basically has a clear #1 (Dame) and three #3 options (Powell/Barnes/Nurkic). The offense wouldn't be terrible, just not top 5 anymore. I think it could have a top 10 offense and top 5 defense.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Scotto: I spoke with one agent who reps a player on the 76ers over the weekend. He said, “If they can’t figure it out, the season’s over before it even starts.” It seems, as of right now, the best Philly can theoretically get for a win-now player in the short-term would be a deal with Portland for CJ McCollum, but Philly has had their eyes on Damian Lillard for a while, and they don’t want to settle.

Well, Dame is fully bought into Portland. He ain't leaving this year. So our continued hope should be for Dame to openly recommit even more vigorously to take himself out of any potential trade picture, while Rich Paul makes it uglier.

If you're Morey you're used to people lying, so it wouldn't help anyway.