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yankeesince59 said:
Ummm, as you've pointed out more than once, the popular vote doesn't mean squat...once again, you cannot have it both ways.
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Understood. The point is, Hillary has already shown she can (help) garner votes. A lot of them. Not to mention, (as the Vanity Fair article points out), should Joe not be able to fulfill his role as President, whom might the American public want as the ensuing Commander in Chief.....Kamala Harris? Hmmmm

At any rate, I'm sure Biden is being counseled to consider these aspects very carefully when choosing his VP.

From the Vanity Fair article..

.....they (the Dems at large) view choosing a V.P. not as checking a demographic box, but picking someone who can do the job on day one, if necessary, because that’s what Biden needs to do to win.”
 
ABM said:
Fill me in. I thought Hillary had actually won the popular vote in 2016. Plus, she's already spent 8 years in (the same) office with the guy.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/the-competing-strategies-of-bidens-vp-pick

....(Biden) is 77 years old and has worked in Washington for nearly his entire adult life. “The focus groups will start out saying, ‘He should pick a woman of color,’” a top adviser to a former 2020 contender says. “They will end with, ‘You know, he really should pick someone who could be president, because there’s a chance he could die.’ The way voters phrase it is, ‘Everybody I know is worried about Biden being old.’ Democrats have made their decision that they want somebody who can beat Trump. So they view choosing a V.P. not as checking a demographic box, but picking someone who can do the job on day one, if necessary, because that’s what Biden needs to do to win.”
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I truly think more people dislike her more/now than 2016. That wouldn't bode well with Bern & the Bro's.
 
Hoopguru said:
I truly think more people dislike her more/now than 2016. That wouldn't bode well with Bern & the Bro's.
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Well, you could be right about that.

But, BUT......I watched the new Hillary documentary on Hulu! She was completely done-in on all sides!!
 
Biden has adopted some of Warren's and Sanders' plans.
 
All things considered and given his cognitive abilities, Biden could actually provide the country with Trumpian levels of entertainment coming out of the White House. You gotta think glass half full. Get the guy a Twitter account that he actually controls and I think you could ease a lot of peoples pain who didn’t want an establishment clown for a president. Laughter cures more ailments than Medicare. At least I think that’s how the saying goes.
 
ABM said:
Understood. The point is, Hillary has already shown she can (help) garner votes. A lot of them. Not to mention, (as the Vanity Fair article points out), should Joe not be able to fulfill his role as President, whom might the American public want as the ensuing Commander in Chief.....Kamala Harris? Hmmmm

At any rate, I'm sure Biden is being counseled to consider these aspects very carefully when choosing his VP.

From the Vanity Fair article..

.....they (the Dems at large) view choosing a V.P. not as checking a demographic box, but picking someone who can do the job on day one, if necessary, because that’s what Biden needs to do to win.”
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Vanity Fair?...c'mon man, you're better than that.

Their view is no more valid or compelling than yours or mine.
 
Biden just declared that if he is nominated he will select a female as a running mate...Bernie said that in all likely hood, he would too.

I'm guessing Kamala Harris or Amy Klobuchar....but there are also some VERY smart others who might be in the mix.
 
Kind of a fascinating, if pointless, debate. Nothing happened to change the direction of the race. Biden did not make any contributions to the Republican effort to brand him as having dementia. I was surprised at how hard they went at each other. I was surprised at how many things Joe promised, it was as if his strategy was 'we can't have Bernie being the king of free shit, let's outdo him tonight!'. The VP announcement makes me think he already has made a decision, and I guess the most likely choice is Kamala. Unless she's the black female supreme court pick. Maybe that's Stacy Abrams? I think Bernie could have announced the end of his campaign at the end of the debate, in order to save lives of voters in FL, IL, OH, and AZ. That would have been a nice touch. Instead he's going to take a drubbing Tuesday and then drop out.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Kind of a fascinating, if pointless, debate. Nothing happened to change the direction of the race. Biden did not make any contributions to the Republican effort to brand him as having dementia. I was surprised at how hard they went at each other. I was surprised at how many things Joe promised, it was as if his strategy was 'we can't have Bernie being the king of free shit, let's outdo him tonight!'. The VP announcement makes me think he already has made a decision, and I guess the most likely choice is Kamala. Unless she's the black female supreme court pick. Maybe that's Stacy Abrams? I think Bernie could have announced the end of his campaign at the end of the debate, in order to save lives of voters in FL, IL, OH, and AZ. That would have been a nice touch. Instead he's going to take a drubbing Tuesday and then drop out.

barfo
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You think he’ll drop out? Interesting. I kinda think he’s gonna draw it out, but your, version sounds better.
 
ABM said:
Understood. The point is, Hillary has already shown she can (help) garner votes. A lot of them. Not to mention, (as the Vanity Fair article points out), should Joe not be able to fulfill his role as President, whom might the American public want as the ensuing Commander in Chief.....Kamala Harris? Hmmmm

At any rate, I'm sure Biden is being counseled to consider these aspects very carefully when choosing his VP.

From the Vanity Fair article..

.....they (the Dems at large) view choosing a V.P. not as checking a demographic box, but picking someone who can do the job on day one, if necessary, because that’s what Biden needs to do to win.”
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Hillary is retired and will stay that way.
Biden is picking a woman to be his running mate. I don't know who that will be but I think Kamala Harris would be better suited as Attorney General, a position in the most populous state in the United States that she has filled.
I think Biden's woman selection will be either Senator Warren or Senator Klobuchar. Either one is fine with me although Klobuchar is closer to his thinking I suspect that Warren has a lot of appeal to women.
 
barfo said:
Kind of a fascinating, if pointless, debate. Nothing happened to change the direction of the race. Biden did not make any contributions to the Republican effort to brand him as having dementia. I was surprised at how hard they went at each other. I was surprised at how many things Joe promised, it was as if his strategy was 'we can't have Bernie being the king of free shit, let's outdo him tonight!'. The VP announcement makes me think he already has made a decision, and I guess the most likely choice is Kamala. Unless she's the black female supreme court pick. Maybe that's Stacy Abrams? I think Bernie could have announced the end of his campaign at the end of the debate, in order to save lives of voters in FL, IL, OH, and AZ. That would have been a nice touch. Instead he's going to take a drubbing Tuesday and then drop out.

barfo
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I felt a little bit the same about the free stuff proclamations, but they were all good and should be considered goals to work toward. Baby steps.
 
barfo said:
Kind of a fascinating, if pointless, debate. Nothing happened to change the direction of the race. Biden did not make any contributions to the Republican effort to brand him as having dementia. I was surprised at how hard they went at each other. I was surprised at how many things Joe promised, it was as if his strategy was 'we can't have Bernie being the king of free shit, let's outdo him tonight!'. The VP announcement makes me think he already has made a decision, and I guess the most likely choice is Kamala. Unless she's the black female supreme court pick. Maybe that's Stacy Abrams? I think Bernie could have announced the end of his campaign at the end of the debate, in order to save lives of voters in FL, IL, OH, and AZ. That would have been a nice touch. Instead he's going to take a drubbing Tuesday and then drop out.

barfo
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Agreed.
 
Joe Biden’s Platform Is More Progressive Than You Think

Pretty good article, which gets at something I've been saying--while Sanders is obviously far more progressive and ambitious in his scope, even Joe Biden is going to come in to the left of what Congress will be willing to pass. I like Sanders' (and Warren's) agendas more than Biden's, but none of their agendas are going to get fully implemented. Biden is still going to push the country more towards the left, with the main constraint being what Congress will pass, not his ambition or lack thereof.
 
Minstrel said:
Joe Biden’s Platform Is More Progressive Than You Think

Pretty good article, which gets at something I've been saying--while Sanders is obviously far more progressive and ambitious in his scope, even Joe Biden is going to come in to the left of what Congress will be willing to pass. I like Sanders' (and Warren's) agendas more than Biden's, but none of their agendas are going to get fully implemented. Biden is still going to push the country more towards the left, with the main constraint being what Congress will pass, not his ambition or lack thereof.
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Here come the establishment attempts to reconcile with the ‘Bernie Bros’ they’ve been shitting all over past few months. They just remembered they needed their votes.
 
jonnyboy said:
Here come the establishment attempts to reconcile with the ‘Bernie Bros’ they’ve been shitting all over past few months. They just remembered they needed their votes.
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If you say so. There's nothing in that article that's incorrect, IMO.
 
Minstrel said:
If you say so. There's nothing in that article that's incorrect, IMO.
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Biden’s history in politics directly negates the entire premise of that article and it’s headline. His current “platform” suggests a lot of things that I can assure you will never come to fruition. The game right now is to get votes, and those votes are held by pissed off progressive Bernie supporters. Biden’s fake progressiveness will be on full display until Bernie is out of the picture. Then he will morph back into a Republican centrist to try and snatch a few votes from Trump.
 
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