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blazerkor said:
Yeah, I'm hoping that this press release is more of an announcement of a deal already done or on the verge of being done. If that is the case, I sincerely hope the new owner or ownership group already have some of their own basketball minds with experience either consulting with them or ready to take over basketball ops.

So, if it's just some super billionaire that just read the same story on ESPN that I did and called up Vulcan with a huge offer without having any basketball experience or anyone in their employ with a ton of basketball experience, I hope they never touch basketball ops because that would be an insane thing to do. I think most super billionaires looking to buy a sports franchise will have a lot of basketball minds on their payroll before they buy a team. Again if that's the case, I hope we get the vision of those new basketball people close to the new owner being implemented sooner rather than later, so things can start to be cohesive.
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We don't need an owner to have a bunch of basketball people on their payroll. The basketball people should be under the GM and on the Blazers payroll. Your basically describing having a bunch of Bert Kolde or Vulcan management interfering with the Blazers basketball operations.

If a new owner eventually wants to fire Cronin then fine go do that. But we don't need to have a new owner plus 3 other bosses Joe and Chauncey have to juggle dealing with.
 
THE HCP said:
I continue to read on here and twitter about how happy people are about this and I haven’t got one reply on WHY? Change ain’t always good FAMS!
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Bro get over it lol.. nobody in this town ever liked the Vulcans you know that..
 
THE HCP said:
I continue to read on here and twitter about how happy people are about this and I haven’t got one reply on WHY? Change ain’t always good FAMS!
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I think it's the uncertainty of ownership that is a bigger issue, and one that doesn't appear long term invested in the franchise. Yeah, she's (or the estate) has done things to make things better, but it's always been under the guise of prepping it for a sale/solidifying the franchise for the most profit available.

She's not the reason why the team is bad right now, nor is she the reason why they missed out on Cooper Flagg, but she's not technically the owner of the team. She runs the estate of Paul Allen. That does not make for long term stability for the franchise.

Could things be worse under a new ownership group? Sure. They could be like what's happened in Phoenix, and get massively fucked over by an idiot owner who didn't know to leave well enough alone. But it also might be nice to not have Toht running things.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
We don't need an owner to have a bunch of basketball people on their payroll. The basketball people should be under the GM and on the Blazers payroll. Your basically describing having a bunch of Bert Kolde or Vulcan management interfering with the Blazers basketball operations.

If a new owner eventually wants to fire Cronin then fine go do that. But we don't need to have a new owner plus 3 other bosses Joe and Chauncey have to juggle dealing with.
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Agreed. I want the GM dealing directly with the owner or president.
 
AldoTrapani said:
Bro get over it lol.. nobody in this town ever liked the Vulcans you know that..
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Oh so because fans don’t like the owner, the new owners will be better? Is that how it works? I can’t believe you actually got somebody to LIKE your collections of words here.
 
THE HCP said:
I continue to read on here and twitter about how happy people are about this and I haven’t got one reply on WHY? Change ain’t always good FAMS!
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I can give you a reason why this could be good. No not sure it's best but I'm intrigued.
The current owner situation has no skin in the game. They did not purchase the team and therefore are less likely to have a real interest in how the team performs.
This situation seems stale at best. The decisions have seemed more about business as usual than actually making choices to try to win a championship. This has been going on now for over 6 years.
I think I'm like most Blazer fans in saying that while Jody has stepped in and actually seemed fairly involved she certainly has never brought any fire or charisma to the table and obviously has used Bert Kolde to continue the status quo. They have done a fine job keeping the MODA in good condition. They have also kept the team in the Black for the most part.

Can you say that a new owner won't do those things or even more while also spending to get more out of the Blazers? This is where many of us are standing. It's time and has been time to move forward and sell the team but Yes i agree, The grass isn't always greener. I'm hoping a new owner or ownership group will be looked into with the best interest of the team and the city in mind.
 
THE HCP said:
And the future owners?
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Worse than what? The last 3 or 4 years were not great, we can all admit that. If this would happen during the prime Dame era, I would have been a bit wary about a change. The structure seemed solid with an owner, Paul Allen, that was dedicated to the success of the franchise. Can we say the same about Jody Allen? She is not bad, but not great either in all that I can read and hear from different media that I follow. That's as much as I know and I am aware that it's just the tip of the iceberg.

But let's be honest. After 3 consecutive tanking years and just little progress this year, you can understand some fans wanting an ownership change. That doesn't guarantee anything. But could it be worse than 3 tanking years? Some may hope not and I am one of them.
 
SwissBlazer said:
Worse than what? The last 3 or 4 years were not great, we can all admit that. If this would happen during the prime Dame era, I would have been a bit wary about a change. The structure seemed solid with an owner, Paul Allen, that was dedicated to the success of the franchise. Can we say the same about Jody Allen? She is not bad, but not great either in all that I can read and hear from different media that I follow. That's as much as I know and I am aware that it's just the tip of the iceberg.

But let's be honest. After 3 consecutive tanking years and just little progress this year, you can understand some fans wanting an ownership change. That doesn't guarantee anything. But could it be worse than 3 tanking years? Some may hope not and I am one of them.
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What if it’s a meddling owner? There are shit owners. Jerry Jones, Dan Schneider, James Dolan. Then there are guys like John Fisher and Al Davis who would up and leave a city for money. Clay Bennett who lied to everyone to move the team to his hometown. I’ll take hands off, not caring and uninvolved over that other shit
 
THE HCP said:
Oh so because fans don’t like the owner, the new owners will be better? Is that how it works? I can’t believe you actually got somebody to LIKE your collections of words here.
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Short answer, we just don't know.
 
crandc said:
Paul Allen didn't behead journalist or bribe the president or force women to wear veil.
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Given the political climate in the US, I don't think Americans can/should look down their noses at anyone else about this sorta stuff.
 
illmatic99 said:
Given the political climate in the US, I don't think Americans can/should look down their noses at anyone else about this sorta stuff.
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Ah yes, both-sides-ism. A favorite rhetorical device of Vladimir Putin.

There's "bad owners" like the new Suns guy who thinks he knows best, and then there's "bad owners" who are literally EVIL. Let's see if we can avoid both please.
 
Serious question: why hasn't the Green Bay model ever happened anywhere else? Why can't it?
 
THE HCP said:
Oh so because fans don’t like the owner, the new owners will be better? Is that how it works? I can’t believe you actually got somebody to LIKE your collections of words here.
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"Let's never change in case things get (even) worse."
 
I have not read up on this thread, so I apologize if that was already brought up, but does anyone else see the coincidence of the lottery with the announcement?

Meaning if we had landed Flagg, maybe no sale because of the assumed uptick in ticket sales and inevitable team value increasing?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Serious question: why hasn't the Green Bay model ever happened anywhere else? Why can't it?
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NFL banned it after Green Bay as they didn't want it to become a trend. The leagues don't want teams to be publicly owned - they want all owners to be able to take profit and sell for a gain. If one team has no need for profits it could put all the other privately held teams at a competitive disadvantage.

But even if it was allowed - today the cost of teams is just way to high. No city in the world can pay the billions needed in cash to buy a team.

I guess maybe some owner some day could create a trust to allow the team to transfer to nonprofit status at their death. If ever there was a situation for that to happen it would be this type of case where Allen estate had more cash than it knows what to do with and everything is just getting donated to charity anyways. But then is the ~$4 billion better off staying in a Blazers trust vs just going to charities in the next few year? Who would manage the Blazers if it was owned by a nonprofit? Who decides if a player is worth hundred million + contracts? Can the team give a contract to a player like Kobe charged with rape at a max contract?
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
I have not read up on this thread, so I apologize if that was already brought up, but does anyone else see the coincidence of the lottery with the announcement?
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Don't think anyone will ever know - perhaps it was a minor factor.

But a 4+ billion dollar sale is such a bigger asset than what happens with one unproven 19 year old player - seems unlikely that was a large factor.
 
I did hear the NBA is very happy with the Celtics $6 billion valuation as they can use that as leverage to charge a similar amount to an expansion franchise fee.

I wonder if part of the Blazers going to sell now is to try and get the whole NBA to support a high sale price? It could directly impact the expansion fee so all 29 teams and the league are going to want to see the Blazers sold for a very high price. If it was 5 years ago or 5 years from now the other teams just might not care much one way or the other.
 
Other explanation I heard was this is related to the Seahawks. Seahawks had an agreement with Seattle over stadium funding that if the team was sold prior to 2025 there would be a big fee. Perhaps the trust wanted to ensure there weren't any arguments from Seattle or others that the trust was trying to duck that fee by artificially delaying a Seahawks sale. Since none of the Allen owned sports teams were sold prior to 2025 there is now no argument for that.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Other explanation I heard was this is related to the Seahawks. Seahawks had an agreement with Seattle over stadium funding that if the team was sold prior to 2025 there would be a big fee. Perhaps the trust wanted to ensure there weren't any arguments from Seattle or others that the trust was trying to duck that fee by artificially delaying a Seahawks sale. Since none of the Allen owned sports teams were sold prior to 2025 there is now no argument for that.
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According to Google:
The Seattle Seahawks are not expected to be put up for sale until 2025, at the earliest. This is due to a provision in the 1997 referendum that funded Lumen Field, which would require Jody Allen to pay 10% of the sale price to the state of Washington if the team were sold before May 2025. A 10% tax is no longer applicable for a sale after May 2025, according to The Spokesman-Review.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Just stop it with the -- no new owners from Seattle crap

The chances this team gets moved is between slim and none and none is half way out the building

What i want from a new owner is the following

1) Wants to WIN
2) Willing to spend money ( when needed )
3) Can be from anywhere just not middle eastern blood money so no ownership group from Saudi Arabia -- period
4 through infinity -- WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN .......... did I mention wants to WIN -
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Cut the fucking cord from Seattle...sick of their arrogance up there towards us down here in our 1 sport town. We dont need to be their wholly owned subsidiary as a cash cow.
 
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THE HCP said:
Why are you so happy? You know something we don’t?
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You work for the team, you should know more than me...

I'm happy because I feel like I can end my boycott. Fan is short for fanatic. After being lied to by Cronin and after their treatment of
Dame I stopped watching and attending games. That treatment just confirmed my belief that your boss doesn't give a fuck about my favorite team.
Now she's finally starting the sale process. Lots of fans are reacting the same way. I get to enjoy my favorite team again knowing sometime next season she won't be running it into the ground anymore.
As a new owner they'd also come in and evaluate Cronin and Chauncey and they BOTH could be gone. This possibility makes me happy. I can't be happy MF? :dunno:
 
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