Blazers interested in Aaron Gordon

[blazerkor]

I get your point, there is a lot of standing in the corners. But I have noticed that Little has no problem attacking the basket and Jones does cut to the basket. Watching the film of Gordon, he does look like he has good handles for his position. He is even listed on the depth chart as Orlando's 3rd team PG. (On ESPN) I doubt that is really true but none the less I would not mind seeing Little at SF and Gordon at PF when teams trap Dame. (With a passing center like Nurk)

This is what makes including CJ in a package for him acceptable, if Neil puts a high value on Gary. If Neil liked Gordon more than Randle (which would be a mistake) and the Knicks are as into CJ as has been reported. This might be the deal.



We'd have Dame, Gary, RoCo, Gordon, Nurk with Melo, MCW, DJ, Nas and Enes all getting playing time off of the bench. Hood would be the odd man out but he'd be good insurance for any injury situation. Hell if it meant more picks we could even throw Ant to the Magic or Knicks. Gordon is the right kind of PF to play with Nurk. There would be a lot of options even with Stoffense.

 

[Chris Craig]

This is what makes including CJ in a package for him acceptable, if Neil puts a high value on Gary. If Neil liked Gordon more than Randle (which would be a mistake) and the Knicks are as into CJ as has been reported. This might be the deal.

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We'd have Dame, Gary, RoCo, Gordon, Nurk with Melo, MCW, DJ, Nas and Enes all getting playing time off of the bench. Hood would be the odd man out but he'd be good insurance for any injury situation. Hell if it meant more picks we could even throw Ant to the Magic or Knicks. Gordon is the right kind of PF to play with Nurk. There would be a lot of options even with Stoffense.

I don't think it does. Neil is not trading CJ.

 

[tester551]

and if it's true that Orlando is looking to dump next season salary off their roster (and I think they are), then Jones represents negative value to them. He could opt into his 9.7M salary and monkey wrench all their off-season plans. I don't think there is any binding way they can get an agreement from Jones that he'd opt out, but maybe there is.

Technically Jones could opt out right now... but there's no incentive for him to do so.

I think the possible trade would need to be: DJJ + Hood + extra piece (either Trent/Ant/Little/orPick) => Gordon + MWC

Hood + DJJ are about equal in salary to Gordon + MWC, so worst case - the magic drop $10M off their payroll next season for cutting Hood.

 

[Pinwheel1]

This is what makes including CJ in a package for him acceptable if Neil puts a high value on Gary. If Neil liked Gordon more than Randle (which would be a mistake) and the Knicks are as into CJ as has been reported. This might be the deal.

People here keep including Julius Randal in a lot of trade scenarios. But does NY want to get rid of him? I keep reading they are not interested in moving him.

 

[Chris Craig]

They might get an assurance from Aldridge, but there's little incentive for the Spurs to buy out Aldridge before the deadline

Yeah, this is the issue. Spurs are going to wait till after the deadline to buy him out. Blazers would have to make a trade work with Orlando for Gordon that leaves cap space for Aldridge and doesn't leave too many roster spots open for Portland.

 

[Chris Craig]

In the end, Drummond, Gordon and Aldridge will all end up as a Nets

I wouldn't be surprised

 

[kjironman1]

I don't think it does. Neil is not trading CJ.

Eventually these guys have to understand all things eventually come to an end.
IMO they get this year to put something together. After this year nobody is off limits out side of Lillard.
I do understand this is about Aaron Gordon and this year so I agree CJ won't be part of a deal. My feeling though is CJ is pretty much in the same position as Stotts. They got to give us a reason to keep them.

 

[Chris Craig]

Eventually these guys have to understand all things eventually come to an end.
IMO they get this year to put something together. After this year nobody is off limits out side of Lillard.
I do understand this is about Aaron Gordon and this year so I agree CJ won't be part of a deal. My feeling though is CJ is pretty much in the same position as Stotts. They got to give us a reason to keep them.

CJ will be traded sooner or later. It's an inevitable eventuality. Blazers are feeling pressure to go all in to suit Dames closing window. CJ will be part of that. At least for the remainder of this season, one in which CJ is having the best stats of his career.

Neil will try to trade for Gordon without trading CJ - his idea of going all in. And will look to sign Aldridge if Spurs buy him out. Neil will see that as putting together a contender...though realistically it falls short of that because the Blazers can only get players who used to be good but have already seen their best years and are on the decline.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I will be shocked if LMA wants to return to Portland.
Think about who we are talking about. For him to return now seems like an extreme long shot.
What is the draw? Playing with Dame again? Being coached by Terry again? Those are the only two I can think of.
Is that enough to come crawling back now?

 

[Tince]

CJ will be traded sooner or later. It's an inevitable eventuality. Blazers are feeling pressure to go all in to suit Dames closing window. CJ will be part of that. At least for the remainder of this season, one in which CJ is having the best stats of his career.

I read stuff like this on the message boards, but I've never heard or read anything from the Blazers or someone with a source inside the Blazers that supports this.

Are you aware of something or do you just assume/hope this is true?

 

[Tince]

I will be shocked if LMA wants to return to Portland.
Think about who we are talking about. For him to return now seems like an extreme long shot.
What is the draw? Playing with Dame again? Being coached by Terry again? Those are the only two I can think of.
Is that enough to come crawling back now?

"I keep telling him I'm going to come back and finish [in Portland]," Aldridge said. "That's something him and I have talked about—playing together again."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...eturning-to-trail-blazers-with-damian-lillard

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Technically Jones could opt out right now... but there's no incentive for him to do so.

I think the possible trade would need to be: DJJ + Hood + extra piece (either Trent/Ant/Little/orPick) => Gordon + MWC

Hood + DJJ are about equal in salary to Gordon + MWC, so worst case - the magic drop $10M off their payroll next season for cutting Hood.

I think the extra piece would have to be Trent. And I like the idea of including MCW, apparently this guy can play defense: "When he’s been on the floor, the Magic have a defensive rating of 96.4. That is the NBA’s best mark among players who have appeared in at least five games and average a minimum of 20 minutes of action." (However, some of his advanced stats on both O and D are terrible)

We might as well trade DJJ because he will not be coming back; I don't think he likes the way Stotts uses him. And I've come around to the idea that Trent needs to go now also, as I don't think Blazers have the money to re-sign him.
I don't know if Gordon is the guy but I think we need to trade DJJ and Trent now.

 

[Chris Craig]

I read stuff like this on the message boards, but I've never heard or read anything from the Blazers or someone with a source inside the Blazers that supports this.

Are you aware of something or do you just assume/hope this is true?

Neil has talked about being in win now mode and Jody wanting the acceleration of that since Paul passed.

Dame isn't getting younger. Every year is one closer to the end of his career. If the Blazers want to win one with Dame they have to do it soon. Dame has 6-8 years left...4 or so in his prime. You can bet the Blazers are feeling the pressure. Dame is the best chance at another championship the Blazers will have in a long time. They may never get another player like him.

 

[Phatguysrule]

"I keep telling him I'm going to come back and finish [in Portland]," Aldridge said. "That's something him and I have talked about—playing together again."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...eturning-to-trail-blazers-with-damian-lillard

If he had any loyalty or heart he would have never left. He could have been a part of something special...

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[wizenheimer]

the author had one thing wrong, right from the start: Blazers can trade a 1st round pick, it would just need to be conditional

some of his assumptions seem off as well

 

[Tince]

Neil has talked about being in win now mode and Jody wanting the acceleration of that since Paul passed.

Dame isn't getting younger. Every year is one closer to the end of his career. If the Blazers want to win one with Dame they have to do it soon. Dame has 6-8 years left...4 or so in his prime. You can bet the Blazers are feeling the pressure. Dame is the best chance at another championship the Blazers will have in a long time. They may never get another player like him.

I agree with you the Dame isn't getting younger and that we should be trying to win now.

Most the moves Olshey has made do not line up with "win now mode" unless you consider 23-16 winning now. Not going over the lux tax, not signing a backup center for 20 games, none of that is consistent with an owenrship and front office wanting to accelerate anything.

If we're not going to believe Stotts when he says he's serious about getting better defensively because he's not making major scheme changes, we shouldn't believe Olshey saying he's in "win now mode" without making the moves to back it up.

 

[Tince]

If he had any loyalty or heart he would have never left. He could have been a part of something special...

People make mistakes and it appears he might feel he made one. I'm willing to forgive and accept him back.

 

[TBpup]

As much as I've heard from a couple of different places, almost makes it seems like nothing will happen. Most of Neil's Deals, even the garbage, periphery ones, have very little knowledge until Woj announces them.

So the more that comes out, the less likely historically it seems. As for what it will take, whatever keeps the Blazers under the cap. That is priority #1. Second is getting an upgrade in talent.

 

[blazerkor]

the author had one thing wrong, right from the start: Blazers can trade a 1st round pick, it would just need to be conditional

some of his assumptions seem off as well

I thought that too but you can't make trade conditions on a pick that go past 2017 and our first round picks are locked up with the Rockets until 2017 when they would get our second so we can't say a team gets our pick two years after the Rockets do and then if it's not conveyed in that time they get a second. Maybe we could say that if it wasn't conveyed in that time that they would not get the pick but I'm still unsure about that. I think the only way we can trade a first right now is to get the Rockets to agree to remove the conditions on this year's pick. Then we can trade any first rounder 2023 and beyond.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://www.espn.com/radio/play/_/id/31087675

Aaron Gordon, Magic talk start at the 15 minute mark.

 

[blazerkor]

I don't like this trade but Olshey has been about Gordon for so long. Maybe he thinks he's worth the guy we just traded Ariza and two firsts for and happens to be our best defender.

 

[wizenheimer]

I thought that too but you can't make trade conditions on a pick that go past 2017 and our first round picks are locked up with the Rockets until 2017 when they would get our second so we can't say a team gets our pick two years after the Rockets do and then if it's not conveyed in that time they get a second. Maybe we could say that if it wasn't conveyed in that time that they would not get the pick but I'm still unsure about that. I think the only way we can trade a first right now is to get the Rockets to agree to remove the conditions on this year's pick. Then we can trade any first rounder 2023 and beyond.

first off, you mean 2027, not 2017. Although, the 2017 pick was Zach so maybe Portland will trade their 2017 pick

and from what I have read, Portland can trade the pick conditionally. The wording would be '2 years after the Houston pick conveys; if not traded by 2027, Orlando gets a 2nd round pick. As far as I know, those are legal conditions. Of course, that means the pick doesn't deliver much leverage

 

[kjironman1]

I don't like this trade but Olshey has been about Gordon for so long. Maybe he thinks he's worth the guy we just traded Ariza and two firsts for and happens to be our best defender.
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I just don't think you get out of Aaron Gordon what you are getting from RoCo right now. Doesn't seem like a move I would make.
I really like RoCo. He has been a game changer in a number of game this year. And now he is shooting over 36% from 3.

 

[blazerkor]

first off, you mean 2027, not 2017. Although, the 2017 pick was Zach so maybe Portland will trade their 2017 pick

and from what I have read, Portland can trade the pick conditionally. The wording would be '2 years after the Houston pick conveys; if not traded by 2027, Orlando gets a 2nd round pick. As far as I know, those are legal conditions. Of course, that means the pick doesn't deliver much leverage

You caught be on the 2017 thing but if we convey our 2027 second rounder to Houston then we are talking about a 2028 second rounder gong to Orlando which is not legal. I can't remember which poster was saying trading any first is illegal right now but when I looked up our conditions with Houston and and then at how strict the CBA is about the years out you can trade a pick, I was convinced that we have to get Houston to agree to this year's pick no longer being conditional which is exactly what we would do if we needed to convey a future pick in a trade, not put illegal and/or complicated conditions on it.

 

[blazerkor]

I just don't think you get out of Aaron Gordon what you are getting from RoCo right now. Doesn't seem like a move I would make.
I really like RoCo. He has been a game changer in a number of game this year. And now he is shooting over 36% from 3.

I wouldn't do it either. I was just saying that the rumors for a few years now have been that Olshey wants Gordon. So if he does overvalue Gordon, I could see this move going down. Maybe Neil is detached enough to figure that our defense sucks with RoCo so why not completely sell out for offense. Who knows with this current Olshey/Stotts debacle.

 

[wizenheimer]

You caught be on the 2017 thing but if we convey our 2027 second rounder to Houston then we are talking about a 2028 second rounder gong to Orlando which is not legal. I can't remember which poster was saying trading any first is illegal right now but when I looked up our conditions with Houston and and then at how strict the CBA is about the years out you can trade a pick, I was convinced that we have to get Houston to agree to this year's pick no longer being conditional which is exactly what we would do if we needed to convey a future pick in a trade, not put illegal and/or complicated conditions on it.

you may be right but I'm not sure the 7 year restriction applies to 2nd round picks. It might....I just haven't read that anywhere. I guess if it does not apply, by the time Olshey is fired he'll have traded every 2nd round pick till 2137

 

[DDolla]

Cmon Olshey and Jody, don’t be cheap now. Help Dame at all cost. Pay for the taxes too if you have too. Get him Help Now!!!!

 

[Chris Craig]

Cmon Olshey and Jody, don’t be cheap now. Help Dame at all cost. Pay for the taxes too if you have too. Get him Help Now!!!!

They will go into the tax next season to do that

 

[blazerkor]

They will go into the tax next season to do that

Hopefully not they, just Jody, the Vulcans and whoever the hire to run the team.