Blazers interested in Aaron Gordon

[illmatic99]

Besides I doubt Jones would have much value for a team like Orlando given his contract situation. Taking him on for 25 games and watching him leave in the summer is just a waste.

 

[wizenheimer]

some CBA expert check me on this: pretty sure, it would have to be a 2-for-1, or 3-for-2 trade in order for Portland to stay within the minimum roster size. That is, unless the Blazers sign somebody first, but then the tax line becomes an obstacle

if the Blazers signed somebody to a pro-rated minimum contract right now, I believe it would be about 700K. That would put them at 15 players meaning a 3 for 1 trade drops them to 13 players, which they are allowed to have for 2 weeks. That would leave them about 1.1M below the tax line. So, Portland would have to send out at least 17M in salary to take on Gordon's 18.1M salary and stay below the line.

but they would also have to leave enough room to get back up to 14 players within 2 weeks of the trade. They might be able to finesse that by using 10-day contracts till signing another pro-rated minimum deal fits into their margin

Hood + Zach + Trent leaves Portland well less than 100K in space so I don't think that works. Hood + Zach + Simons leaves Portland at least 600K in space and that would be enough to sign a 14th player. But that's probably not nearly good enough for Orlando. It might have to be a 3 team trade. Maybe some team would place a lot of value on Zach or Simons, but I don't know why

 

[wizenheimer]

I would not take Jones off the table, but his defense sure would be nice to have around in the playoffs

at the same time Gordon + RoCo offers a lot of defensive versatility

 

[GDiama]

I would do Hood + Trent + Collins.

I want to keep Jones.

Then fill out the roster with whoever we find in the buyout market.

Dame (34) / CJ (14)
CJ (20)/ Ant (20) / Nas (8)
Roco (20)/ Jones (20)/ Nas (8)
Gordon (28) / Melo (20
Nurk (28) / Kanter (20)


A veteran guard would then be perfect to complete the roster.

In this scenario I guess RoCo also takes the backup C minutes from Kanter. i cannot see him playing only 20 mins.

 

[Minstrel]

I like Gordon as a long-term piece. I'd be willing to give up anyone not among Dame, CJ, Nurkic, Covington or Little. So if Trent is a significant enough piece to them, that's fine. Trent/Collins/Jones, also okay by me. Though obviously I'd prefer to dump Hood.

 

[RR7]

some CBA expert check me on this: pretty sure, it would have to be a 2-for-1, or 3-for-2 trade in order for Portland to stay within the minimum roster size. That is, unless the Blazers sign somebody first, but then the tax line becomes an obstacle

if the Blazers signed somebody to a pro-rated minimum contract right now, I believe it would be about 700K. That would put them at 15 players meaning a 3 for 1 trade drops them to 13 players, which they are allowed to have for 2 weeks. That would leave them about 1.1M below the tax line. So, Portland would have to send out at least 17M in salary to take on Gordon's 18.1M salary and stay below the line.

but they would also have to leave enough room to get back up to 14 players within 2 weeks of the trade. They might be able to finesse that by using 10-day contracts till signing another pro-rated minimum deal fits into their margin

Hood + Zach + Trent leaves Portland well less than 100K in space so I don't think that works. Hood + Zach + Simons leaves Portland at least 600K in space and that would be enough to sign a 14th player. But that's probably not nearly good enough for Orlando. It might have to be a 3 team trade. Maybe some team would place a lot of value on Zach or Simons, but I don't know why

Yeah, the tax and the roster size minimum really make working a deal with Orlando for Gordon tricky. At least with the pieces we all are including in deals. A Hood/Jones/Trent for Gordon and MCW adds only about 500K in salary, giving us the space to bring in a buyout, but it hurts us on the wing. Depending on buyout possibilities, it leaves us with Little and Melo as the only sf/pfs off the bench.

Lillard/MCW
CJ/Simons
Gordon/Little
Roco/Melo/Collins
Nurk/Kanter/Giles

I actually don't mind the 9 man shortened playoff rotation with that move, but one injury on the wings leaves you really struggling for depth

 

[wizenheimer]

if RoCo is moved to SF and Portland still has Trent and Little, Jones does become a little redundant. I just have no idea how much trade value Jones has

 

[wizenheimer]

Yeah, the tax and the roster size minimum really make working a deal with Orlando for Gordon tricky. At least with the pieces we all are including in deals. A Hood/Jones/Trent for Gordon and MCW adds only about 500K in salary, giving us the space to bring in a buyout, but it hurts us on the wing. Depending on buyout possibilities, it leaves us with Little and Melo as the only sf/pfs off the bench.

Lillard/MCW
CJ/Simons
Gordon/Little
Roco/Melo/Collins
Nurk/Kanter/Giles

I actually don't mind the 9 man shortened playoff rotation with that move, but one injury on the wings leaves you really struggling for depth

I don't like the wing depth after that trade either. I think the value wing depth increases in the playoffs

maybe the ideal trade (for Portland at least) would be Hood + Jones + Zach for Gordon + Ennis. But with Orlando's cap situation next season, I'd think Jones would have to be routed to another team. Unless Jones can opt-out of his 2nd year now, but I don't know why he's do that

but bringing in Ennis is a better outcome for Portland than MCW

I could easily be wrong about this but I' guessing that Orlando would like to clear Gordon't contract off their cap next year. Jone opting in would torpedo that option

 

[julius]

I'd rather give up Trent (over Simons and Little) because his contract is up and I'm sure he'll get an offer that the blazers should refuse.

 

[RR7]

I don't like the wing depth after that trade either. I think the value wing depth increases in the playoffs

maybe the ideal trade (for Portland at least) would be Hood + Jones + Zach for Gordon + Ennis. But with Orlando's cap situation next season, I'd think Jones would have to be routed to another team. Unless Jones can opt-out of his 2nd year now, but I don't know why he's do that

but bringing in Ennis is a better outcome for Portland than MCW

I could easily be wrong about this but I' guessing that Orlando would like to clear Gordon't contract off their cap next year. Jone opting in would torpedo that option

I think Portland has to give up some young piece(other than Collins) to entice Orlando. Be it Simons, Little, or Trent. Agreed on Ennis, or Bacon over MCW. Was just thinking they might want to also move his 3 million from next season.

I can see them liking Jones' length on the wings, would form an intriguing defensive pair with Isaac, if the latter ever gets healthy. Overall, though, Orlando is just a mess of bad management over the last like 7 or 8 years that has left that team in an unenviable position, IMO.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think Portland has to give up some young piece(other than Collins) to entice Orlando. Be it Simons, Little, or Trent. Agreed on Ennis, or Bacon over MCW. Was just thinking they might want to also move his 3 million from next season.

I can see them liking Jones' length on the wings, would form an intriguing defensive pair with Isaac, if the latter ever gets healthy. Overall, though, Orlando is just a mess of bad management over the last like 7 or 8 years that has left that team in an unenviable position, IMO.

I wasn't looking at the contract page for Orlando, so I forgot that MCW had a guaranteed 3M next year...yuck.

and I agree they would want a young player. So unless it was Simons that would put Portland into that wing dilemma you mentioned (isn't Zach young?)

I wouldn't be surprised if the PDX/ORL talks are stalled unless a 3rd team was found. Or, Maybe TBpup is correct and Olshey is low-balling again. But I think Orlando was high-balling when they were suggesting they wanted a "good young player AND a 1st round pick"

 

[James lamphear]

I don't think Olshey will trade Zach it's not how Olshey do things. I think if we trade and it's depends who we getting back I believe it would be Trent especially if Olshey knows he might be able pay him. Hood contract expires if they don't pick is contract and Jones has player option next. Simons if they need throw in those player think would on table in the trade. Why not Zach you give up on young bigs that can play defense plus Olshey gave up 2 draft picks to get him and Olshey just not a person that don't like to be wrong.

 

[Hoopguru]

He's a not any better imo, than RoCo.
AG shoots 32% from three RoCo 36%
He not as good on/off ball defender than RoCo.
They both board about the same.
Gordon is Hurt a lot.

 

[Hoopguru]

Ig Gordon was so damn good why hasn't he helped Orlando be a factor in the east? They have a bunch of high draft picks and veterans.

 

[Minstrel]

Ig Gordon was so damn good why hasn't he helped Orlando be a factor in the east? They have a bunch of high draft picks and veterans.

Gordon isn't "so damn good." But neither are Trent, Collins, Jones or Hood...the players people are advocating possibly including.

 

[julius]

Gordon isn't "so damn good." But neither are Trent, Collins, Jones or Hood...the players people are advocating possibly including.

I think the point is that Blazer fans over embellish the talent of players, both on the Blazers or a player they want to trade for (in this case, Gordon).

If they could do it without trading Little or Simons, it would be good. Trent is going to cost them a lot of $ next year, and realistically, he's more limited (potential wise) than Simons or Little are.


And I say that as someone who doesn't want to see him traded.

 

[Hoopguru]

Gordon isn't "so damn good." But neither are Trent, Collins, Jones or Hood...the players people are advocating possibly including.

Why dump Trent & Collins or Jones for a guy to come in a take minutes from RoCo? Now if you were talking Randle Im on board because he improves the team.
The idea I would guess most in here want is to improve the team not just the GM and coach.

 

[Zach Collins Enthusiast]

I don't want Aaron Gordon and wouldn't trade for him. Definitely not sacrifice CJ if that's what people here are offering. You're wasting your time in this thread

 

[Pinwheel1]

Why dump Trent & Collins or Jones for a guy to come in a take minutes from RoCo? Now if you were talking Randle Im on board because he improves the team.
The idea I would guess most in here want is to improve the team not just the GM and coach.

I think the idea is playing both Roco and Gordon together. His ball-handling skills for a PF is what has me intrigued. He can attack the basket.
But I agree he is not a difference-maker.

Randle is not going anywhere.

 

[Minstrel]

Why dump Trent & Collins or Jones for a guy to come in a take minutes from RoCo? Now if you were talking Randle Im on board because he improves the team.

You can play Gordon and Covington together. Covington is a natural small forward and a small ball power forward. Gordon is a natural power forward. So you can very easily play them together, plus they give you opportunities to mix and match depending on matchups.

I think the point is that Blazer fans over embellish the talent of players, both on the Blazers or a player they want to trade for (in this case, Gordon).

If they could do it without trading Little or Simons, it would be good. Trent is going to cost them a lot of $ next year, and realistically, he's more limited (potential wise) than Simons or Little are.


And I say that as someone who doesn't want to see him traded.

I don't think Gordon's talents are being embellished, considering the players people are suggesting trading for him aren't that great.

You and I apparently disagree on Simons, as I don't consider him particularly valuable. I wouldn't want to include Little, but Trent I think is a one-dimensional shooter--I had hopes for him to develop as a defender but right now, he's looking a lot like Crabbe. If Portland can cash out on him before he becomes overpaid, great. Hood is a shadow of himself since the injury. Simons is looking like a more athletic version of Trent--a good shooter, inefficient at everything else and can't defend. Collins is always injured and doesn't look likely to become much more than maybe a solid player.

If people were suggesting trading CJ or something then yes, I'd agree people are overrating the heck out of Gordon. I think his name just comes up so much because he's a decent talent, available and potentially attainable without damaging the core of the team.

 

[Hoopguru]

You can play Gordon and Covington together. Covington is a natural small forward and a small ball power forward. Gordon is a natural power forward. So you can very easily play them together, plus they give you opportunities to mix and match depending on matchups.



I don't think Gordon's talents are being embellished, considering the players people are suggesting trading for him aren't that great.

You and I apparently disagree on Simons, as I don't consider him particularly valuable. I wouldn't want to include Little, but Trent I think is a one-dimensional shooter--I had hopes for him to develop as a defender but right now, he's looking a lot like Crabbe. If Portland can cash out on him before he becomes overpaid, great. Hood is a shadow of himself since the injury. Simons is looking like a more athletic version of Trent--a good shooter, inefficient at everything else and can't defend. Collins is always injured and doesn't look likely to become much more than maybe a solid player.

If people were suggesting trading CJ or something then yes, I'd agree people are overrating the heck out of Gordon. I think his name just comes up so much because he's a decent talent, available and potentially attainable without damaging the core of the team.

If RoCo can play at 3 Im sure he can which maybe it works, Id include Simons versus Trent however. Again, Gordon is injury prone but maybe his luck will change?

 

[wizenheimer]

Ig Gordon was so damn good why hasn't he helped Orlando be a factor in the east? They have a bunch of high draft picks and veterans.

he's a role player and role players don't significantly alter a team's trajectory. Orlando has one player above the level of role player, and that's Vucevic, and he's a fringe all-star. The Magic have not been well managed

 

[Hoopguru]

he's a role player and role players don't significantly alter a team's trajectory. Orlando has one player above the level of role player, and that's Vucevic, and he's a fringe all-star. The Magic have not been well managed

Gordon was drafted #4, Bamba #6, Fultz #1, MCW #11, Issacs #6, Ross #8.
Gordon certainly wasn't drafted to be a role player, hell, neither RoCo or DJ were drafted.
You are right their management sucks muck like Charlotte's has for several years.

 

[illmatic99]

In this scenario I guess RoCo also takes the backup C minutes from Kanter. i cannot see him playing only 20 mins.

Sorry I screwed that up. Yes. About 30 mpg total for Roco in some way

 

[ehizzy3]

Aaron Gordon provides a lot more than you guys are giving him credit for. His 4 assists a game will go up if played here and we need another facilitator. He is a better 3pt shooter than Zach or Jones. He can create his own shot better than any of Jones, Simons. Zach or Trent, and he plays solid defense. He and RoCo at the 3/4 for the next couple years until Little is ready to start would be fine with me. I don’t want to give up Jones Jr or Little though

 

[PCmor7]

Harry Giles and a second round pick for Gordon. Make it so.

 

[illmatic99]

Ig Gordon was so damn good why hasn't he helped Orlando be a factor in the east? They have a bunch of high draft picks and veterans.

Gordon isn't "so damn good." But neither are Trent, Collins, Jones or Hood...the players people are advocating possibly including.

I think Gordon is similar to Batum. He's trash in an environment when asked to be a top 2 player on a team. But he'd be asked to be the 4th or 5th best player here. I think he would play really well off more talent.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Gordon was drafted #4, Bamba #6, Fultz #1, MCW #11, Issacs #6, Ross #8.
Gordon certainly wasn't drafted to be a role player, hell, neither RoCo or DJ were drafted.
You are right their management sucks muck like Charlotte's has for several years.

Half those they didn't draft though. Fultz, MCW, Ross

 

[damianlillard]

He's a not any better imo, than RoCo.
AG shoots 32% from three RoCo 36%
He not as good on/off ball defender than RoCo.
They both board about the same.
Gordon is Hurt a lot.

Don’t look now but Aaron Gordon has been shooting 41.1% from 3 point land this year. But he’s just as streaky as a shooter as RoCo is. He definitely better than DJJ. His passing would unlock the potential of Little and DJJ if we can keep him.

 

[James lamphear]

Well you got ask your self is he worth 16 million dollars for next year. Can he get shot opportunities in our style offense because right covington average 6 and Jones average 4. Our offense base on our guard play and our fowards are outlets. So are we going pay player 16 million and ever remaining on his contract to put up 6-10 a game. Remember know this our offense not going change just because we bring Gordon in and that's fact.