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BlazerBeliever said:
It is so funny to hear the ESPN fools blasting us in the first quarter and then praising us after the game.
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I thought they, especially john barry, were very complimentary of us throughout the night.
 
Samuel said:
I think Houston is third; they own the tiebreaker. If the playoffs were to begin today, we'd have HCA against the Spurs. Yikes...
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Yikes. I just read the rules. I think we are still 5th:

Three way ties

1. Division champion = San Antonio? not sure about that (2-2 vs Houston)
2. Best record among the three (Houston 5-3 Portland 4-4)
 
VenomXL said:
WTF Gooden just went Kobe on us. Where's the weak side help?
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anyone else notice when this happened in the first quarter that kurt thomas was holding oden keeping him from being able to rotate(which clearly should have been a foul) but jon barry blasted oden for it anyway?
 
bobf said:
Yikes. I just read the rules. I think we are still 5th:

Three way ties

1. Division champion = San Antonio? not sure about that (2-2 vs Houston)
2. Best record among the three (Houston 5-3 Portland 4-4)
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Wouldn't that be to determine the top of the three? Then be reg tie breaker of the bottom two? Hope.
 
bobf said:
Yikes. I just read the rules. I think we are still 5th:

Three way ties

1. Division champion = San Antonio? not sure about that (2-2 vs Houston)
2. Best record among the three (Houston 5-3 Portland 4-4)
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For seeding, division champion matters. Not for HCA. The NBA divorced those two things. Also, I think Houston is leading the division now, after this loss by the Spurs.
 
tlongII said:
Great win, but I'm not going to get too excited. The Spurs are a shell of their former self. No Ginobili and Duncan can hardly move. They need their Big 3 to be a good team. Once their jumpers stopped falling it was a matter of time before we caught them.
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Survival of the fittest!
 
Minstrel said:
For seeding, division champion matters. Not for HCA. The NBA divorced those two things. Also, I think Houston is leading the division now, after this loss by the Spurs.
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So first seeding is determined and then HCA is determined on a matchup by matchup basis?
 
Minstrel said:
For seeding, division champion matters. Not for HCA. The NBA divorced those two things. Also, I think Houston is leading the division now, after this loss by the Spurs.
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I thought for the first round division champs do get HCA regardless? But in the next round it's the team witht he best records.
 
bobf said:
So first seeding is determined and then HCA is determined on a matchup by matchup basis?
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Yeah. Assume Houston didn't exist...San Antonio wins division and Portland ends up tied with them in record. Spurs would get the 4 seed, Portland the 5 seed, but Portland would get HCA against them in the playoffs.
 
mgb said:
I thought for the first round division champs do get HCA regardless? But in the next round it's the team witht he best records.
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Check it out.

http://www.nba.com/features/seedingprimer07.html

The top four seeds will be the three division winners plus the team with the next best record. Those four will be ordered by record (and tiebreakers if needed), so it's possible that two teams in the same division could hold the top two spots, with the other two division winners at Nos. 3 and 4.
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mgb said:
I thought for the first round division champs do get HCA regardless? But in the next round it's the team witht he best records.
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Not accoring to this.

http://www.nba.com/features/seedingprimer07.html

"Homecourt advantage for any series is determined by record, not seed. So, it's possible that the 5 seed could have homecourt advantage over the 4, or that the 6 seed could have homecourt advantage over the 3."

My question. Right now we'd be seeded 4th and San Anatonio 5th. We both have the same record. So what's the next HCA tie-breaker: Division champs or Our record vs the Spurs.
 
mgb said:
I thought for the first round division champs do get HCA regardless? But in the next round it's the team witht he best records.
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Division winners are only assured of a top-4 seed, not of HCA. At least, that's my understanding.
 
mgb said:
I thought for the first round division champs do get HCA regardless? But in the next round it's the team witht he best records.
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The division winners are only guaranteed a top 4 spot. They don't get HCA.

Like Utah and Houston one year (last year?) where Utah was the division winner, and Houston had HCA.
 
mgb said:
I thought for the first round division champs do get HCA regardless? But in the next round it's the team witht he best records.
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i think it's that division champs automatically get a top 4 seed, but don't automatically get home court. last year utah won the division and got the 4th seed, but houston was the 5 seed and had homecourt because they had a better record
 
bobf said:
My question. Right now we'd be seeded 4th and San Anatonio 5th. We both have the same record. So what's the next HCA tie-breaker: Division champs or Our record vs the Spurs.
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As things stand now, San Antonio isn't the division leader, I don't think. But if they were, they'd get the 4 seed and Portland would get the 5. But Portland would get the HCA. Division championship would break tie for seeding, head-to-head would break tie for HCA.
 
rocketeer said:
i think it's that division champs automatically get a top 4 seed, but don't automatically get home court. last year utah won the division and got the 4th seed, but houston was the 5 seed and had homecourt because they had a better record
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Not according to this

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139397

Division winners could theoretically have like the 9th best record if their division totally sucked.
 
Minstrel said:
As things stand now, San Antonio isn't the division leader, I don't think. But if they were, they'd get the 4 seed and Portland would get the 5. But Portland would get the HCA. Division championship would break tie for seeding, head-to-head would break tie for HCA.
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Cool, I think we are much better off playing SA anyway. Based on how we mactch up and the fact that SA is hobbled.

I think SA might be Div leader. I just checked and their in-division record is 9-6, while Houston is 8-6 if that's how it works since SA is 2-2 vs Houston.
 
New Orleans just tanked it against Phoenix. Now two games up on the Hornets.
 
bobf said:
So what's the next HCA tie-breaker: Division champs or Our record vs the Spurs.
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Huh? I believe Houston would beat SA and Portland on H2H for the division title and Portland would beat SA on H2H for the 4-5 seed. Since H2H would be telling in both cases, record vs. conference would not be taken into account. Why wouldn't H2H determine HCA? I don't see it, bob.
 
Samuel said:
Huh? I believe Houston would beat SA and Portland on H2H for the division title and Portland would beat SA on H2H for the 4-5 seed. Since H2H would be telling in both cases, record vs. conference would not be taken into account.
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I'm not sure of the rules for Division Champs when two teams are tied. Currently SA vs Houston are tied in record and tied 2-2 head to head. But SA has the better in-division record. So I think SA are currently Division leaders over Houston.

Seeding in a three way ties works like this:
1. Division Champ (that puts SA 1st among the three teams since they are currently Div Champs)
2. Record among the 3 teams (Houston beats us there)

Why wouldn't H2H determine HCA? I don't see it, bob.
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Your're right about that. I was treating HCA based on seeding which was wrong.
 
rocketeer said:
if the division winner had the 9th best record in their conference, they'd be the 4th seed in the playoffs and would not have home court advantage in any round.
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I thought the link I quoted is only for tie breakers when records are equal and that records are the first thing looked at. I guess not though.
 
Slim chances left at the NW Division title.

If Denver loses to OKC (close game tonight), loses to the Lakers tomorrow and wins against Sacramento on Monday, they are 53-28.
If the Blazers beat the Lakers on Friday, Clippers on Saturday and OKC on Monday, we're 53-28.

Leaves one game left for both teams:
Denver @ Portland, April 15 for the NW Division championship.
 
alex42083 said:
Slim chances left at the NW Division title.

If Denver loses to OKC (close game tonight), loses to the Lakers tomorrow and wins against Sacramento on Monday, they are 53-28.
If the Blazers beat the Lakers on Friday, Clippers on Saturday and OKC on Monday, we're 53-28.

Leaves one game left for both teams:
Denver @ Portland, April 15 for the NW Division championship.
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Can we pssibly tie Denver by winning the last game and still win the Division?
 
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