Trade Blazers trade Hezonja for Kanter!

[SharpesTriumph]

Maybe I was wrong and it does happen a lot in the last year of the contract but as much as I may have overlooked that you are overlooking a huge phenomenon of multiyear buyouts. Just go to any team's payroll and look for dead money. That's because of a buyout and stretch provision on a deal that had more than a year left on it. Just on our team we still have Varejao and Nicholson that are dead money from buying out and stretching multiyear deals. Tons of teams have the same thing.

Those are not buy outs, those are waive and stretch mechanism only for the teams salary cap. It's considered waiving a player, not buying out. Waiving has nothing to do with the paychecks the player gets. They get the money the same days and amounts as specified in the normal contract if they were playing. The cap hit is spread out on the team's salary cap as dead money for multiple years which does not match the year of the actual paycheck the player gets.

A buyout is when a player gives up some money owed to be released from a contract and can sign with a new team. Usually they only give up a tiny amount or agree to offset part of future new contracts.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think it's more one "way too" big year stretched over 3-4 years? Certainly that was the case with Varejao.

Waive and stretch terms is the current years on the contract doubled plus one. So if the player has;

1 years left its stretched over 3 years
2 years left its stretched over 5 years
3 years left its stretched over 7 years

 

[blazerkor]

Those are not buy outs, those are waive and stretch mechanism only for the teams salary cap. It's considered waiving a player, not buying out. Waiving has nothing to do with the paychecks the player gets. They get the money the same days and amounts as specified in the normal contract if they were playing. The cap hit is spread out on the team's salary cap as dead money for multiple years which does not match the year of the actual paycheck the player gets.

A buyout is when a player gives up some money owed to be released from a contract and can sign with a new team. Usually they only give up a tiny amount or agree to offset part of future new contracts.

OK, I get it now. I always thought that the team that exercised the stretch provision had to take the entire amount left on the deal in salary cap hits stretched over the future but had the opportunity to negotiate a buyout to pay the player less, thus reducing the team's expenses but not getting salary cap absolvement. I was wrong. Thanks for telling me. You can only stretch a player if you straight up waive them. One more piece of the CBA that I now understand.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

OK, I get it now. I always thought that the team that exercised the stretch provision had to take the entire amount left on the deal in salary cap hits stretched over the future but had the opportunity to negotiate a buyout to pay the player less, thus reducing the team's expenses but not getting salary cap absolvement. I was wrong. Thanks for telling me. You can only stretch a player if you straight up waive them. One more piece of the CBA that I now understand.

Actually I think you are sort of right sometimes, the Hawks negotiated a buyout with Crawford first and then waived and stretched it over multiple years. Josh Smith could have been like this too.

In practice I think players very rarely take take less and just get stretched for the full amount.

When I think of "buy out" I think of only the deals done in the final year to end a contract as those are much more common and thats what I was saying in the original response.

 

[blazerkor]

Actually I think you are sort of right sometimes, the Hawks negotiated a buyout with Crawford first and then waived and stretched it over multiple years. Josh Smith could have been like this too.

In practice I think players very rarely take take less and just get stretched for the full amount.

When I think of "buy out" I think of only the deals done in the final year to end a contract as those are much more common and thats what I was saying in the original response.

Do you remember what we did with Steve Francis? I don't know if we just had to eat the $17 million cap hit for both of the next two seasons or if there was some kind of stretch provision but we definitely bought him out with 2 years and $34 million left on his contract.

 

[kjironman1]

Waive and stretch terms is the current years on the contract doubled plus one. So if the player has;

1 years left its stretched over 3 years
2 years left its stretched over 5 years
3 years left its stretched over 7 years

Ahh... Facts is facts. I learned something today. Thank you.

 

[wizenheimer]

Do you remember what we did with Steve Francis? I don't know if we just had to eat the $17 million cap hit for both of the next two seasons or if there was some kind of stretch provision but we definitely bought him out with 2 years and $34 million left on his contract.

it was just a buy-out. I don't know if the terms of the buy-out were ever released



but even though the stretch provision was available, Portland didn't use it. This was during Pritchard's lame "Bake-a-Cake" period since they had just drafted Oden after Aldridge and Roy had just finished their rookie seasons. And integral to the bake-a-cake BS was the 2009 cap-space plan (which precluded using the stretch on Francis)....which ended up a bust for a variety of reasons

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Good example, yeah Francis was bought out 2 years.... I think those are pretty rare as usually the team wants to keep them until the final season so they can potentially trade the contract. Once its bought out it is permanently on the cap.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Speaking of buyouts I wonder if the Spurs will buy out LaMarcus? Id think once we get to the trade deadline they will. If we have an injury or a big underperforming maybe we try and pick him up.

 

[riverman]

Mario should go home to Europe and play big minutes...he's going to waive towels in the NBA

 

[riverman]

Speaking of buyouts I wonder if the Spurs will buy out LaMarcus? Id think once we get to the trade deadline they will. If we have an injury or a big underperforming maybe we try and pick him up.

That ship has sailed....if we didn't make a move for him earlier...I don't see us doing it now with our current roster at all.

 

[Scalma]

That ship has sailed....if we didn't make a move for him earlier...I don't see us doing it now with our current roster at all.

we’re in a better position to trade for him at the deadline than we were in the offseason. We were in no position, minus a Whiteside sign and trade, which as it turns out wasn’t realistic at all.

Actually if I had to put money on the most likely trade target, it would be Aldridge. And if we don’t trade for him, signing him next summer is pretty realistic as well. I guess it just depends on Zach and possibly Giles’ development.

 

[B-Roy]

That ship has sailed....if we didn't make a move for him earlier...I don't see us doing it now with our current roster at all.

I think there’s a much better chance now.

 

[riverman]

I think there’s a much better chance now.

I think there's a better chance he becomes a Pacer, Rocket, Wizard or Knick...we have talent at his position now that's ten years younger and cheaper. If we sign him next offseason then in my view....Zach didn't work out

 

[B-Roy]

I think there's a better chance he becomes a Pacer, Rocket, Wizard or Knick...we have talent at his position now that's ten years younger and cheaper. If we sign him next offseason then in my view....Zach didn't work out

I'm speaking for feasibility from a contracts (both duration and salaries) point of view. Of course they (the Blazers) aren't going to do that now, they're going to try to win with the team they just signed, but if things are looking less than ideal at the deadline, I'd definitely look for them to explore trade opportunities.

 

[blazerkor]

Good example, yeah Francis was bought out 2 years.... I think those are pretty rare as usually the team wants to keep them until the final season so they can potentially trade the contract. Once its bought out it is permanently on the cap.

I think I remember our GM saying something about letting him pursue other options he had. That's probably just spin but it also could have just been good will.

 

[wizenheimer]

I think there’s a much better chance now.

I disagree

even assuming the Blazers would be willing to go into the tax, they are still hard-capped. And the assumption they would be willing to spend a 3rd straight season as a tax-payer, putting them on the edge of repeater tax, doesn't seem a safe assumption. They don't have the contracts to make a reasonable trade IMO. To stay out of the tax it would have to be something like Nurkic + Hood + Simons; or Hood + Zach + Kanter + Simons + Little. If they are willing to pay tax this year & risk repeater tax over the next 2 seasons, they have to send out 19M in salary. That would have to be something like Hood + Jones; or Covington + Zach + Simons

I don't really see any reasonable cost option for Aldridge. His 24M salary is way too big.

 

[B-Roy]

I disagree

even assuming the Blazers would be willing to go into the tax, they are still hard-capped. And the assumption they would be willing to spend a 3rd straight season as a tax-payer, putting them on the edge of repeater tax, doesn't seem a safe assumption. They don't have the contracts to make a reasonable trade IMO. To stay out of the tax it would have to be something like Nurkic + Hood + Simons; or Hood + Zach + Kanter + Simons + Little. If they are willing to pay tax this year & risk repeater tax over the next 2 seasons, they have to send out 19M in salary. That would have to be something like Hood + Jones; or Covington + Zach + Simons

I don't really see any reasonable cost option for Aldridge. His 24M salary is way too big.

You listing all those options are exactly why I think it's way more likely than last year, when all we had was Whiteside.

 

[BonesJones]

You listing all those options are exactly why I think it's way more likely than last year, when all we had was Whiteside.

So what trade outside do you think is likely? And why would we downgrade or defense so mightily?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I think I remember our GM saying something about letting him pursue other options he had. That's probably just spin but it also could have just been good will.

We had such shitty chemistry with Zach Miles the team didn't want an immature selfish ball hog around.

 

[Buffalo Custard]

I disagree

even assuming the Blazers would be willing to go into the tax, they are still hard-capped. And the assumption they would be willing to spend a 3rd straight season as a tax-payer, putting them on the edge of repeater tax, doesn't seem a safe assumption. They don't have the contracts to make a reasonable trade IMO. To stay out of the tax it would have to be something like Nurkic + Hood + Simons; or Hood + Zach + Kanter + Simons + Little. If they are willing to pay tax this year & risk repeater tax over the next 2 seasons, they have to send out 19M in salary. That would have to be something like Hood + Jones; or Covington + Zach + Simons

I don't really see any reasonable cost option for Aldridge. His 24M salary is way too big.

Perhaps more to the point - what do we want him for? He really isn't a PF anymore, and I seriously question whether he can play alongside Nurk. We already have a decent back-up center who is paid a lot less!

 

[wizenheimer]

You listing all those options are exactly why I think it's way more likely than last year, when all we had was Whiteside.

which one of those trades do you think would be a good one for Portland?

personally, I think they would all be bad trades

 

[B-Roy]

which one of those trades do you think would be a good one for Portland?

personally, I think they would all be bad trades

I'm not saying they should, or would consider those deals now. But a lot can change between now and the trade deadline.

And again, this is all comparing to the same situation last year, where all we had to trade was Whiteside.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'm not saying they should, or would consider those deals now. But a lot can change between now and the trade deadline.

And again, this is all comparing to the same situation last year, where all we had to trade was Whiteside.

but Whiteside and Aldridge have matching salaries. Blazers also had future DPOY winner Zach Collins and the most gifted athlete Olshey has ever drafted in Simons

I think the Aldridge ship sailed out of Portland for good in 2015

 

[riverman]

Aldridge you pick up on a vet minimum in a few years and let him retire here...now we need people Dame's age or younger that can run the floor. It might have worked bringing Aldridge back but not since we picked up Kanter, Roco and Giles...Aldridge should get another payday with a bottom feeder like the Bulls or Knicks and then play with Portland after that contract is up...

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Hopefully our rotation is deep and playing great so we have no interest in bringing in Aldridge.

If we have a big with an injury or severely underperforming maybe we look at signing Aldridge if he gets a buyout after the trade deadline.

I dont think we'll try to trade for Aldridge as we don't have bigs with salary to match him except Nurk. If we have wings like DJJ Hood underperforming it wouldn't make sense to trade them for a big.

Next summer I could see maybe signing Aldridge if we have a Melo role for him. I dont expect a big market for him.

 

[Hoopguru]

LaMarcus seem's like the type of guy that would want to retire where is kids & mother are, Texas.
Which is one of the main reasons he left here after 9 years.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Blazers will win the championship, and then Aldridge will sign for the midlevel!

 

[kjironman1]

Blazers will win the championship, and then Aldridge will sign for the midlevel!

I could actually see something like that happening.

 

[42N8Bounce]

With just a bit more practice, I’m sure Kanter can be shooting these just as well as Dame.



Or maybe not....