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The Blazers trade #7 for?

  • Multiple picks - keep one, trade one for Grant

  • Multiple picks - keep one, trade one for Collins

  • Down to #11 and get Randle

  • Down to #17 and get Wood

  • Include #7 with Nurk (S&T) for Ayton

  • OG Anunoby

  • Plus other assets to move up

  • Other - please specify

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MickZagger said:
I’d prefer more length on the team. Ability to guard more positions.
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hart and Dort guard multiple positions. You can find a forward elsewhere and you still have Nas, Winslow, and Watford.
 
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AmirIcon said:
Lazy response. If that's your bar, might as well not make any moves then.

Can anyone beat a healthy Warriors? The Blazers just need to get within earshot and see where the chips fall. I don't see why this team can't be a top 4 in the West to be honest. Probably even better if everything lines up.
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It isn’t a lazy response. If we’re gonna shoot our shot and our best shot is a fucking 5th seed, we need to blow it up and trade Dame while he has good value. Sorry but I’m not the least bit interested in climbing back on the Neil Olshey treadmill of mediocrity.
 
blazerfan11 said:
That's exactly what Cronin's goal should be. Get better but don't sacrifice the future.
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Cronins goal should be to build a team that’s capable of winning a championship. And if the team as it’s currently constructed can’t get there, we need to make the moves to put us on the path to a ring. That includes trading literally anyone on the roster.
 
What move makes Portland a contender exactly? All they can do is put the best team around Dame as they can. And no, trading him doesn’t get them closer to a championship either. That’s just a bullshit dream teams feed their gullible fan bases when their best player leaves. TRUST THE PROCESS. I don’t remember the last time a team traded their best player and then won a championship or even sniffed the finals shortly after. We will probably never have a player like him on the Blazers again in our lifetime. Maximize it. Cronin made the move that Olshey resisted for years. Let’s see what else he has in store.
 
Scalma said:
What move makes Portland a contender exactly? All they can do is put the best team around Dame as they can. And no, trading him doesn’t get them closer to a championship either. That’s just a bullshit dream teams feed their gullible fan bases when their best player leaves. I don’t remember the last time a team traded their best player and then won a championship or even sniffed the finals shortly after.
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So we fuck around for another three or four years while we waste the last few drops of Dames prime and then we are right back where we are now. Sounds like a blast and not at all like the last six years.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It isn’t a lazy response. If we’re gonna shoot our shot and our best shot is a fucking 5th seed, we need to blow it up and trade Dame while he has good value. Sorry but I’m not the least bit interested in climbing back on the Neil Olshey treadmill of mediocrity.
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It is, though, because you're basically expecting Rome to be built in a day. This offseason doesn't have to be championship or bust. as long as it gets us pieces and/or assets that helps move that goal even closer next year it's a positive. So many don't see a path to a title with dame because they expect that to be next year only. Shit, wade added LeBron and bosh and didn't win a title that first season.
 
RR7 said:
It is, though, because you're basically expecting Rome to be built in a day. This offseason doesn't have to be championship or bust. as long as it gets us pieces and/or assets that helps move that goal even closer next year it's a positive. So many don't see a path to a title with dame because they expect that to be next year only. Shit, wade added LeBron and bosh and didn't win a title that first season.
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No. I'm not expecting it to be built in a day. Adding Lu Dort isn't going to win a championship. If we really want to win a ring with Dame, there's only a few possible ways to do it.

One, you go all in on a short window. You trade Ant and whoever else it takes to acquire a second bonafide star. We aren't going to win a championship with Dame and a bunch of role players. It's not happening. We need a second All-Star caliber player (preferably at the wing.) I don't consider Dort or Grant or really even Collins to be that guy. Maybe Collins. We would need to subscribe to the 2007/2008 Celtics plan. They had Paul Pierce and they went and got aging stars in KG and Ray Allen. This is the short window but if you can pull it off, it's probably the best shot at a ring with Dame.

Two, you keep the pick and you draft the BPA. You hope upon hope that the guy you're taking is a star. This could take a couple years but Dame would still potentially be in his prime. This could give you that second star without needing to trade Ant or Nas or any of the other young guys.

Three, you take a guard at 7 (Mathurin, Daniels, Sharpe) and then you trade Ant for another similar talented player but at another position.

I'm just not at all convinced that Dame/Ant is going to work. We're trying to straddle contending with Dame while preserving the future, but trading the pick for a fucking role player isn't going to get it done. We probably won't be back in the lottery next year, which means we lose the pick to Chicago. Most of the moves that people are describing will make us just good enough to make the playoffs. It's not even the least bit exciting, and Dame is another year older. Trading for Dort is basically Robert Covington all over again. Or Norm Powell. Or Arron Afflalo. It's not the kind of move that changes our trajectory.
 
The notion that Dame’s remaining prime years are wasted unless the Blazers contend for a title seems off to me. I don’t know if Cronin can build a contending roster in the next 3-4 years or not. I do know that outside of the Lakers and Celtics, who have each won 17 titles, championships are pretty rare. One third of NBA teams have never won a title. Nine teams, including the Blazers, have only managed to win 1 title. Six more have only won 2 titles in their history. The Spurs won 5, the Bulls 6 and the Warriors 7. If winning a title is your metric, you’re going to be disappointed most of the time. To me, watching Dame play his last few years of greatness in another team’s jersey, while the Blazers rebuild another team that likely won’t win a title, would be wasting those years.
 
e_blazer said:
The notion that Dame’s remaining prime years are wasted unless the Blazers contend for a title seems off to me. I don’t know if Cronin can build a contending roster in the next 3-4 years or not. I do know that outside of the Lakers and Celtics, who have each won 17 titles, championships are pretty rare. One third of NBA teams have never won a title. Nine teams, including the Blazers, have only managed to win 1 title. Six more have only won 2 titles in their history. The Spurs won 5, the Bulls 6 and the Warriors 7. If winning a title is your metric, you’re going to be disappointed most of the time. To me, watching Dame play his last few years of greatness in another team’s jersey, while the Blazers rebuild another team that likely won’t win a title, would be wasting those years.
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You're old enough to have witnessed a Blazers championship. Some of us aren't. One player is not worth more than the team.

I would have zero problem with Dame winning a title elsewhere. I would root for him like crazy. Obviously, i would love to have it here. If that doesn't appear to be a possibility in the next year or two, move the fuck on.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
You're old enough to have witnessed a Blazers championship. Some of us aren't. One player is not worth more than the team.

I would have zero problem with Dame winning a title elsewhere. I would root for him like crazy. Obviously, i would love to have it here. If that doesn't appear to be a possibility in the next year or two, move the fuck on.
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I’m not opposed to trading Dame if it becomes clear that this push to reload around him isn’t going to pan out. I’m just opposed to trading him without giving the reload a shot at working.
 
e_blazer said:
The notion that Dame’s remaining prime years are wasted unless the Blazers contend for a title seems off to me. I don’t know if Cronin can build a contending roster in the next 3-4 years or not. I do know that outside of the Lakers and Celtics, who have each won 17 titles, championships are pretty rare. One third of NBA teams have never won a title. Nine teams, including the Blazers, have only managed to win 1 title. Six more have only won 2 titles in their history. The Spurs won 5, the Bulls 6 and the Warriors 7. If winning a title is your metric, you’re going to be disappointed most of the time. To me, watching Dame play his last few years of greatness in another team’s jersey, while the Blazers rebuild another team that likely won’t win a title, would be wasting those years.
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I don't disagree with this. I'm not a title or bust fan. There is more than just a title to root for as a fan. But what I do have a problem with is the Blazers trading away youth and picks to try to win now with Dame when there's no realistic chance of that.

Either trade Dame, or let him play here as Kobe did in LA, where the team stealth tanks to aim to contend many years from now.

Don't trade away the future to try and get Dame a couple playoff wins with zero chance to contend.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It isn’t a lazy response. If we’re gonna shoot our shot and our best shot is a fucking 5th seed, we need to blow it up and trade Dame while he has good value. Sorry but I’m not the least bit interested in climbing back on the Neil Olshey treadmill of mediocrity.
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All conjecture. I don't agree that we'd be a 5th seed. We'd have some really terrific perimiter defense. Even if that's what you think, we ain't trading Dame right now. Neil's treadmill was all talent and zero fit. The lineup I provided is totally different with big time defense.
 
e_blazer said:
The notion that Dame’s remaining prime years are wasted unless the Blazers contend for a title seems off to me. I don’t know if Cronin can build a contending roster in the next 3-4 years or not. I do know that outside of the Lakers and Celtics, who have each won 17 titles, championships are pretty rare. One third of NBA teams have never won a title. Nine teams, including the Blazers, have only managed to win 1 title. Six more have only won 2 titles in their history. The Spurs won 5, the Bulls 6 and the Warriors 7. If winning a title is your metric, you’re going to be disappointed most of the time. To me, watching Dame play his last few years of greatness in another team’s jersey, while the Blazers rebuild another team that likely won’t win a title, would be wasting those years.
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It isn’t about wasting Dames prime so much as wasting his value. I love Dame but I want to see a championship in my lifetime. If trading him can acquire enough talent to help in a rebuild that puts us on a track to contending, then that’s what we should do. Give them this summer to try to retool and give Dame the first half of next season to show he’s still a top 10 player, but if it’s not happening then it’s time to move on.
 
AmirIcon said:
All conjecture. I don't agree that we'd be a 5th seed. We'd have some really terrific perimiter defense. Even if that's what you think, we ain't trading Dame right now. Neil's treadmill was all talent and zero fit. The lineup I provided is totally different with big time defense.
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To contend you need two stars at minimum. Who is our second star in these scenarios?
 
AmirIcon said:
Ant if everything works out just right. Perhaps Little after him.
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I think Ant could be a star, but my personal opinion is that he will never reach that level while he’s paired with Dame.

I don’t see it in the cards for Little. If he can stay healthy he could be a very good starter.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
True... but there isn't a move that can be made this summer that will make us a contender.

You have to take one step at a time to get there.
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Basically any team with an aging over 30 star like Damen regardless of how shitty their roster is could say this.

So if someone believes your post, then when should a team trade away sich a player and rebuild?
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Basically any team with an aging over 30 star like Damen regardless of how shitty their roster is could say this.

So if someone believes your post, then when should a team trade away sich a player and rebuild?
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Immediately. Last summer would have been great
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
True... but there isn't a move that can be made this summer that will make us a contender.

You have to take one step at a time to get there.
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The problem is you have a finite amount of time where Dame is still good enough to be the primary piece for a title. If your steps outnumber the amount of time we have left, it’s better to trade Dame and reset the clock.
 
Over the last 30 years 12 teams of 30 have won titles.
Every year practically 2/3 of the league is mediocre at best.
I think this last year over half the league finished under 500.
I watch the game because Ive always enjoyed watching it, way before Portland even had a team.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Basically any team with an aging over 30 star like Damen regardless of how shitty their roster is could say this.

So if someone believes your post, then when should a team trade away sich a player and rebuild?
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32 is not old. Curry is 34 you don’t hear anyone calling him aging.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think Ant could be a star, but my personal opinion is that he will never reach that level while he’s paired with Dame.

I don’t see it in the cards for Little. If he can stay healthy he could be a very good starter.
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We shall see.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
They have multiple pieces to contend. We aren't close. It is not the same.
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It's like people forget that they still have Draymond, they still have Klay, and then they added Wiggins, a few lottery picks, and GSW is also extremely good at drafting talent. God I wish we had their front office.
 
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