Blazers trade the #7 pick for.....? (2 Viewers)

[SharpesTriumph]

The Blazers are better starting Simons than McCollum. You believe McCollum is the better starter than Simons. Different opinions.

I'm fine with the Blazers moving forward with Simons starting in place of McCollum. No problem with that opinion whatsoever.

I'm not fine with giving away Norm for nothing and getting scrubs for Roco both a week before the deadline offers were made.
I'm not fine with coming away basically getting just Hart for CJ and Nance.

Ideally the Blazers should've shopped for better returns of talent. All players were fine to trade. But they didn't have to be traded. The Blazers didn't have to trade the players to the players preferred destinations. The Blazers didn't have to hold out for this Ben Simmons cap space pipe dream that evaporated 2 days later.

The Blazers needed to make good moves to increase their talent to contend. Instead they reduced their talent at the deadline. They got cap space flexibility when its nearly worthless. They didn't gain useful draft assets. It was an epic fail then, and has put the team in position to fail now. This is evident in the Blazers having the 3rd worst future roster rank in the NBA per ESPN even with Dame.

 

[blazerfan11]

I don't blame them. The sad part is if we did something like Hart + 7 for OG, you STILL would have folks defending Cronin saying we are improved and can make some noise next year.

And what if the Blazers did make some noise next season?

I'm fine with the Blazers moving forward with Simons starting in place of McCollum. No problem with that opinion whatsoever.

I'm not fine with giving away Norm for nothing and getting scrubs for Roco both a week before the deadline offers were made.
I'm not fine with coming away basically getting just Hart for CJ and Nance.

Ideally the Blazers should've shopped for better returns of talent. All players were fine to trade. But they didn't have to be traded. The Blazers didn't have to trade the players to the players preferred destinations. The Blazers didn't have to hold out for this Ben Simmons cap space pipe dream that evaporated 2 days later.

The Blazers needed to make good moves to increase their talent to contend. Instead they reduced their talent at the deadline. They got cap space flexibility when its nearly worthless. They didn't gain useful draft assets. It was an epic fail then, and has put the team in position to fail now. This is evident in the Blazers having the 3rd worst future roster rank in the NBA per ESPN even with Dame.

I'm fine with all of it. The players that were shipped out had so much "talent" they helped the Blazers get a 10-10 record to start the season with only 1 road victory.
None of them will be missed.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

If Cronin’s dream is to flip #7 into OG—and it hasn’t happened yet—I worry that Toronto is trying to squeeze Cronin for more than 7 (which is already an overpay for a non-star player).

Sadly I think there’s a good shot we give Toronto all of our assets on draft night for OG.

Portland cannot trade the pick. They have to make the selection on draft night and then can trade the player. You can't trade your first-round pick two years in a row. So, in theory, there could be a deal in place, but it would not be announced until draft night at the earliest.

 

[Scalma]

Portland cannot trade the pick. They have to make the selection on draft night and then can trade the player. You can't trade your first-round pick two years in a row. So, in theory, there could be a deal in place, but it would not be announced until draft night at the earliest.

i mean these are just semantics. If there’s a deal lined up you’ll hear about it before the draft imo. Like when we traded for Roco and drafted for Houston.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I don't blame them. The sad part is if we did something like Hart + 7 for OG, you STILL would have folks defending Cronin saying we are improved and can make some noise next year.

I think that would be a massive overpay. Especially if that pick is Sharpe. No thanks.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

And what if the Blazers did make some noise next season?

then hell froze over. Ain't gonna happen as currently constructed.

Curry > Dame
Klay >>> Hart
Wiggins >>> Nas
Draymond >>>>> Winslow
Looney < Nurkic

Poole, GP2, Wiseman, Kuminga >>> Simons, Didi, Watford, Keon

 

[blazerkor]

then hell froze over. Ain't gonna happen as currently constructed.

Curry > Dame
Klay >>> Hart
Wiggins >>> Nas
Draymond >>>>> Winslow
Looney < Nurkic

Poole, GP2, Wiseman, Kuminga >>> Simons, Didi, Watford, Keon

The truth is that Cronin fucked up in February. If he didn't know that he fucked up before the Pelicans made the playoffs he definitely knew he did after. Now the guy has to make some combination of the 7th pick, the big TPE, EBEC, the 36th pick and the Bucks 2025 FRP into two starting forwards that fit better around Dame and Ant than any of the starting forward combos we put around Dame and CJ. There are ways for Cronin to pull that off but it won't be easy. GMs make bad deals and gamble and lose... Cronin just so happens to have already done both. GMs also come back from failures and make a bad situation much better. That's what I'm hoping for.

 

[Natebishop3]

There is a better player available at 7 than OG.

 

[Phatguysrule]

There is a better player available at 7 than OG.

Agreed. If we aren't adding an all star, or 2 high level starters by trading the pick we should probably just keep it.

That's the best chip we have available to improve and we need to maximize it. I don't care about attitudes or bullshit like that. We need some talent. Lots of it.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

i mean these are just semantics. If there’s a deal lined up you’ll hear about it before the draft imo. Like when we traded for Roco and drafted for Houston.

I dunno. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

i mean these are just semantics. If there’s a deal lined up you’ll hear about it before the draft imo. Like when we traded for Roco and drafted for Houston.

Correct. Happens all the time, deal could be reported as done even today, but the trade call is finalized with the league after the draft.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I dunno. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

If sometimes no is true to your statement "Blazers cannot trade the pick"...... then your whole statement is false

If deals couldn't be announced until official with the league there would be literally zero trades reported at the draft.

 

[Stevenson]

I'm fine with the Blazers moving forward with Simons starting in place of McCollum. No problem with that opinion whatsoever.

I'm not fine with giving away Norm for nothing and getting scrubs for Roco both a week before the deadline offers were made.
I'm not fine with coming away basically getting just Hart for CJ and Nance.

Ideally the Blazers should've shopped for better returns of talent. All players were fine to trade. But they didn't have to be traded. The Blazers didn't have to trade the players to the players preferred destinations. The Blazers didn't have to hold out for this Ben Simmons cap space pipe dream that evaporated 2 days later.

The Blazers needed to make good moves to increase their talent to contend. Instead they reduced their talent at the deadline. They got cap space flexibility when its nearly worthless. They didn't gain useful draft assets. It was an epic fail then, and has put the team in position to fail now. This is evident in the Blazers having the 3rd worst future roster rank in the NBA per ESPN even with Dame.

This.

And yes, "cap space" in Portland is fool's gold. Only good for the front office. I can't think of a time when it has EVER transformed into a better squad on the court.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

This.

And yes, "cap space" in Portland is fool's gold. Only good for the front office. I can't think of a time when it has EVER transformed into a better squad on the court.

And even when we signed a good player in Andre Miller, our star player was a dickwad to him because of the fit.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Natebishop3]

This.

And yes, "cap space" in Portland is fool's gold. Only good for the front office. I can't think of a time when it has EVER transformed into a better squad on the court.

I think Kenny Anderson was a free agent signing.

Brian Grant was a really solid get.

I also really loved Andre Miller.

I can't think of a time though where we went out and got a really big name star though.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

If sometimes no is true to your statement "Blazers cannot trade the pick"...... then your whole statement is false

If deals couldn't be announced until official with the league there would be literally zero trades reported at the draft.

Thanks. Forgot to call into the World's Smartest Man. But I was responding about how the trade would already likely be known if agreed to. Learn to read, then post (famous S2 words, brah).

So.... what are you babbling about?

You should stick to your "Nurk can't be traded cuz he's a free agent schtick." At least you were 50% correct (he can't be traded, but he's not technically a free agent).

 

[Hoopguru]

I don't get the hype on OG A? I know he's a decent player, but you'd think after 5 years in the league he'd be an all star if he's was as good as advertised in here?

 

[Hoopguru]

Remember this trade?


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[SharpesTriumph]

This headline implies the Pistons are the ones who have not agreed to the deal being offered by Portland.

If so that's sick and Cronin should be fired for it.

So much smoke with this rumor it either 1 Has some truth or 2 Is being epically pushed in the media, similar to Morey's BS.

 

[Scalma]

This headline implies the Pistons are the ones who have not agreed to the deal being offered by Portland.

If so that's sick and Cronin should be fired for it.

So much smoke with this rumor it either 1 Has some truth or 2 Is being epically pushed in the media, similar to Morey's BS.

lmao if Portland offered that it would’ve already been done. It’s just poorly worded by Scotto

 

[blazedanugz]

lmao if Portland offered that it would’ve already been done. It’s just poorly worded by Scotto

you’re probably right. Pistons would jump on that before a team offered us something better

 

[SwissBlazer]

This headline implies the Pistons are the ones who have not agreed to the deal being offered by Portland.

If so that's sick and Cronin should be fired for it.

So much smoke with this rumor it either 1 Has some truth or 2 Is being epically pushed in the media, similar to Morey's BS.

Why not asking for Cronin's head on the wording of a tweet aggregating a Mike fuckin Scotto rumour

 

[illmatic99]

Casey and Brooke both predicted we'll trade 7 for a player who is more ready to help now and Casey added a detail that we'll prolly get a first rounder as well.

Casey also thinks we'll draft a center in the second round

 

[Ripcity4life77]

What the HELL is legion hoops ?? or whatever site that is --- this deal might happen in some way but I would be shocked if it was a straight up 7 for Grant deal

 

[perkinsfor3]

What the HELL is legion hoops ?? or whatever site that is --- this deal might happen in some way but I would be shocked if it was a straight up 7 for Grant deal

I think it's a Chinese clickbait site.

 

[perkinsfor3]

I’m all in on the OG.

Love what he brings and I think he could be a star. Excellent defense as well. Chaunce would be smitten.

I also love OG. I also think Nas and OG could co-excist. Much like what we see the Suns doing with Birdges and Crowder.

Furthermore, the more I look at this draft, the more I'd like to stay away from it. Ivey and Daniels seem nice but I don't see the fit with us. Other than that, too many red flags among the top picks.

Bledsoe + #7 for OG? Bring back Dunn at a minimum. I'm perfectly fine with not keeping Nurk, I like him, but he's just not reliable. What are our options with him?

I like Hart enough to keep him around and guarantee that 12.4M. I'd also love to make a move to sign a few FA's so we can maybe let Greg Brown play in the G-League.

Jalen Smith
Kyle Anderson
Deandre Ayton
Gary Payton II (will probably be overpaid?)
Tyus Jones (I'd like him over Dunn, but probably too expensive?)

Obviously, I like Zach Lavine a lot, but that would mean moving Ant Simons back to the bench (or trade him: if he would net us a great C , I'd be fine with that > anyway we could use him to obtain Ayton in a S+T?).


Dame / Payton II
Lavine / Simons / Hart / Keon
Little / Watford
OG / Winslow
Nurk / Smith / Eubanks

Would be a pretty amazing team. Would there be a realistic path to getting this team together? The weakness could be shooting, maybe. Defense options could be insane, and I like surrounding Dame with players, as opposed to one trick ponies.

 

[BonesJones]

You can intentionally miss my point if you prefer. I'm saying Hart and Justise have more value with the Trail Blazers than CJ (made expendable by Simons), Nance (always hurt), Powell (didn't buy in) and Covington (very over-rated).

But they don't have more value to us than those guys do to other teams.

 

[BonesJones]

I also love OG. I also think Nas and OG could co-excist. Much like what we see the Suns doing with Birdges and Crowder.

Furthermore, the more I look at this draft, the more I'd like to stay away from it. Ivey and Daniels seem nice but I don't see the fit with us. Other than that, too many red flags among the top picks.

Bledsoe + #7 for OG? Bring back Dunn at a minimum. I'm perfectly fine with not keeping Nurk, I like him, but he's just not reliable. What are our options with him?

I like Hart enough to keep him around and guarantee that 12.4M. I'd also love to make a move to sign a few FA's so we can maybe let Greg Brown play in the G-League.

Jalen Smith
Kyle Anderson
Deandre Ayton
Gary Payton II (will probably be overpaid?)
Tyus Jones (I'd like him over Dunn, but probably too expensive?)

Obviously, I like Zach Lavine a lot, but that would mean moving Ant Simons back to the bench (or trade him: if he would net us a great C , I'd be fine with that > anyway we could use him to obtain Ayton in a S+T?).


Dame / Payton II
Lavine / Simons / Hart / Keon
Little / Watford
OG / Winslow
Nurk / Smith / Eubanks

Would be a pretty amazing team. Would there be a realistic path to getting this team together? The weakness could be shooting, maybe. Defense options could be insane, and I like surrounding Dame with players, as opposed to one trick ponies.

How are you getting Lavine in this situation?

 

[BonesJones]

I don't get the hype on OG A? I know he's a decent player, but you'd think after 5 years in the league he'd be an all star if he's was as good as advertised in here?

You need role players that fill a specific roll. It's not as simple as just adding up all-star appearances until you hit a magic number. OG is perfect for what we need from our SF.