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cdub503 said:
sure they had a better PER in their rookie season than scoot but when you factor in College career/games played/and age it kinda fuckin is.... but we just gonna ignore those facts in eh? thats coo... Ive seen enough flashes of scoot to not be worried about his overarching career. You can stress, bitch and moan about it all you want but he's not going anywhere for at least a couple years. Might as well enjoy the ride for what it is... a ride, ups and downs and everything else with a young PG trying to find his way.
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I’m not stressed nor was I bitching and moaning. I simply was making an observation that he better be a lot better than Jalen Suggs and if turns into Jalen Suggs, great… But that’s not exactly what you want from the 3rd (1st in any other draft lol) pick.
 
blazerkor said:
It won't be fair at the end of the season but could we please at the very least wait until Scoot has the second half of his rookie season before we compare his advanced stats to the full rookie seasons of legends?

Again it will still be stupid because there are a lot of paths to success in this league but fuckin a... these arguments throwing out hall of famers' stats after like 80 games against Scoot's after 35 are preposterous. I know that some people have disclaimed in one way or another but it just doesn't make any sense to compare until the season is over. Mostly because even the greats that came out great still had an upswing from the beginning to the end of their rookie season. I mean everyone has a learning curve.
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I wasn’t the one who was comparing him to legends, lol.

I was even careful to say, “thus far” because things can rapidly change.
 
kjironman1 said:
No champ!
The title of the thread literally says “Bust”.
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The conversation I started / responded to had nothing to do with bust. It was about Jalen Suggs and how we better hope Scoot is a lot better than that.

Yes this is the Scoot is a bust thread but I think there are maybe 2-3 posters who actually think he is a bust based on half of a rookie season (lol).
 
Predator said:
I wasn’t the one who was comparing him to legends, lol.

I was even careful to say, “thus far” because things can rapidly change.
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Yeah whoever started that at this point in the season made a questionable judgment call. We'll see what his stats look like at the end of the season. Obviously he wasn't prepared to contribute to winning big like Joe advertised he was but he still has a lot of promise.
 
Scoot is going to be our tank commander this year, after we trade Brogdon. He's going to be shooting us out of games, and playing stupid defense...
 
Predator said:
PER isn’t the only thing that matters.

And, I’ve been really consistent saying this - I’m not declaring anything definitive about Scoot for at least 2 years, maybe 3, for the reasons you state.

But there has definitely been players to come to the NBA of similar age to Scoot - including straight from HS.

People are acting like I said Scoot is a bust or some shit.

I said - in order for him to be an all-nba player or all-star player - he will have to make one of the largest leaps of all time. I don’t know why that is so controversial.

I didn’t even say it was doubtful or he couldn’t do it.

Find me a player that had a 7 PER that became an all-star or all-NBA player.

If you can’t find one… that kinda proves my point.

Same if you find a couple or even a handful.
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I think he has the right coach, mindset and work ethic that he will be fine. Maybe not an all star but we don’t need all stars at every position. Solid starter for a contending team is my hope.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
I think he has the right coach, mindset and work ethic that he will be fine. Maybe not an all star but we don’t need all stars at every position. Solid starter for a contending team is my hope.
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I never said he didn’t have those things.

But I do think if we want to turn this tank around, we can’t be having top 3-5 picks (and Shaedon) turning into “good” role players. They need to be borderline allstars at a bare minimum. If Scoot is Jalen Suggs type, we need Shaedon to be an allstar and vice versa. Can’t have both of those guys not be an allstar.
 
Predator said:
I never said he didn’t have those things.

But I do think if we want to turn this tank around, we can’t be having top 3-5 picks (and Shaedon) turning into “good” role players. They need to be borderline allstars at a bare minimum. If Scoot is Jalen Suggs type, we need Shaedon to be an allstar and vice versa. Can’t have both of those guys not be an allstar.
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Agreed. We need to land one or two all stars in that range to be contenders.
 
Predator said:
Off the top of my head, Tyrese Maxey, Lamelo Ball, Ja Morant, Trae Young and Cade Cunningham were 19 when they were drafted.
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And none of those came from the G league. Which Scoot did, and showed pretty well. But didn't really face a high level of competition.

I don't think the G league is very good at developing players.

I think the G league should go more international and feature playing more high level teams and tournaments in other countries, and even host some high level international tournaments here in the US.
 
How did SGA look his rookie season? It appears he had similar numbers being a year older. Granted he did start 73 games. I think Scoot will adjust and become much better in year 2. If anything I’m worried more about him staying healthy.
 
The improvement in Scoot this season gives me hope for years 2 and 3. He’s physical and tough-minded with a joy for the game and competition. It’s early, but I like him as the long-term PG for this team … and I like Billups’ influence on him.
 
Labinot41 said:
Just fucking trade Brogdon and Grant. I want to see Shaedon and Scoot take over
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I am not sure what Grant has to do with Shaedon and Scoot taking over. They don't play the same positions. Now if you want to continue to get even worse, for draft purposes, then it makes sense. (albeit painful to watch) But it seems to me that surrounding Shae with other offensive options will only help him.....so he is not double-teamed.

I can see moving Brogdon because of the depth at guard, but until we have another scoring option at forward to groom, I think it would be unwise. And I am guessing we are at least another 2 years away from having his replacement.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Plus they will have to be healthy.
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Pinwheel1 said:
I am not sure what Grant has to do with Shaedon and Scoot taking over. They don't play the same positions. Now if you want to continue to get even worse, for draft purposes, then it makes sense. (albeit painful to watch) But it seems to me that surrounding Shae with other offensive options will only help him.....so he is not double-teamed.

I can see moving Brogdon because of the depth at guard, but until we have another scoring option at forward to groom, I think it would be unwise. And I am guessing we are at least another 2 years away from having his replacement.
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It's Grant's 15 ISO's per game that can get on fans nerves. Even though Jeremi can connect with efficiency, I think Blazer fans expected more team oriented motion basketball with Scoot running point.

Instead we sometimes get Scoot standing in the corner watching Ant, Grant, and Malcolm do their thang. Then Chauncey has Scoot guarding the gigantic players in the paint, so Jerami can flash around the perimeter, and get the occasional leak out in transition.

When Scoot's not balling with the Blazers main guns, that's when we can see his talents shine. When he's the 4th or 5th option, and given PF duties on defense, the Blazers seem to run into a lot of problems, especially with rim protection.
 
Whyachi said:
It's Grant's 15 ISO's per game that can get on fans nerves. Even though Jeremi can connect with efficiency, I think Blazer fans expected more team oriented motion basketball with Scoot running point.

Instead we sometimes get Scoot standing in the corner watching Ant, Grant, and Malcolm do their thang. Then Chauncey has Scoot guarding the gigantic players in the paint, so Jerami can flash around the perimeter, and get the occasional leak out in transition.

When Scoot's not balling with the Blazers main guns, that's when we can see his talents shine. When he's the 4th or 5th option, and given PF duties on defense, the Blazers seem to run into a lot of problems, especially with rim protection.
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Yeah if this was all intended to build the trade value of those three (Ant, Jerami, Malcolm) then it makes sense but if not it's been idiotic.
 
Whyachi said:
It's Grant's 15 ISO's per game that can get on fans nerves. Even though Jeremi can connect with efficiency, I think Blazer fans expected more team oriented motion basketball with Scoot running point.

Instead we sometimes get Scoot standing in the corner watching Ant, Grant, and Malcolm do their thang. Then Chauncey has Scoot guarding the gigantic players in the paint, so Jerami can flash around the perimeter, and get the occasional leak out in transition.

When Scoot's not balling with the Blazers main guns, that's when we can see his talents shine. When he's the 4th or 5th option, and given PF duties on defense, the Blazers seem to run into a lot of problems, especially with rim protection.
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Well, they shouldn't be nervous about that. Most teams try to run a team-oriented offense until they need a basket with the shot clock running down. Then they turn to their best offensive players to create their own shot. Grant is not the problem. It's not like he dancing around the perimeter so he can throw up a 25-footer. Like you said his efficiency is pretty good.

As far as Scoot, I am a fan, but until he shows he is capable of doing more on the offensive end, he deserves to be the 4th or 5th option. As for Scoot's "PF" duties on defense so Grant can leak out....if true (which I doubt) that is a Chauncey issue not a Grant one. What makes you think he wouldn't do the same with Grant's replacement?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Well, they shouldn't be nervous about that. Most teams try to run a team-oriented offense until they need a basket with the shot clock running down. Then they turn to their best offensive players to create their own shot. Grant is not the problem. It's not like he dancing around the perimeter so he can throw up a 25-footer. Like you said his efficiency is pretty good.

As far as Scoot, I am a fan, but until he shows he is capable of doing more on the offensive end, he deserves to be the 4th or 5th option. As for Scoot's "PF" duties on defense so Grant can leak out....if true (which I doubt) that is a Chauncey issue not a Grant one. What makes you think he wouldn't do the same with Grant's replacement?
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It's a Billups strategy that won't change. Nor should it. Playing the PF out top on D works OK not very often, and improves the Blazers odds for a significant draft pick.
 
chauncey has a really long leash with me given our expectations this season. but the one way I would be fully on board the fire chauncey train is if he continues this bullshit that he is with Scoot.

we gave up our whole franchise for this kid to sit in the corner for 22 minutes while a guy we are about to trade next week almost plays 40 minutes?

for fucks sake... have some common sense.
 
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