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I paid 3k for my bike. Go find me a scooter that can easily traverse a freeway at that price.

MPXY260T-4. This bike is a cross between a Vespa and motorcycle yet it looks good with plenty of power. It's ETA and Dot approved with plenty of safety features along with a smooth ride, storage space and get-up and go. Maximum at 80 MPH and 70-100 MPG. It's 250cc priced at $1,699.00 plus $300 shipping.

And that's brand new. How did you pay $3,000 for a brand new crotch rocket like that?
 
This isn't about getting the cheapest. This is about paying in excess. There isn't a car out there for 13k, brand new, that is in the same size, comfort, mpg, and reliability. There are a ton of cars in the 18-25k range. What exactly are you getting for an extra 10-20k in a BMW or Mercedes that a Toyota or Honda doesn't have?

Better leather, power, handling and performance.
 
Actually the Honda was more expensive. We drove an Accord, which was the most comparable in size/quality. It was a few thousand more, but we found it less comfortable. It did have some cool toys though. They have a camera on your right side mirror that lets you see if there is anyone in your blind spot. Very cool. I also liked their dash, but the way the car was set up was really uncomfortable for us. No amount of money is worth being uncomfortable in a car.

We also looked at Kia, Nissan, and Mazda, but in terms of size, comfort, mpg, and reliability, we felt that the Toyota was the best option. We did shop around though. We could have gotten a bitchin deal on a smaller car, but we're making the step down from an SUV to a sedan, so we wanted something with some room. The Camry is huge, but still gets decent mpg.

The thing is, there isn't that much of a price difference between a Camry and the other comparable cars in their class. There's a huge difference in price between a BMW, Mercedes, etc and a car like a Camry, or an Accord, or a Mazda, etc. So is the luxury worth the extra 10-20k?

For my money, if I'm spending that kind of cash, I'm getting a Tesla. Awesome car and amazing gas mileage.

I like the Tesla but it didn't fit what I needed. If I had mags money, that would be my 3rd or 4th car. :)

For BMWs, I don't think it is the luxury as much as it is the performance. But whether the luxury is worth it is up to each person. Just like the comfort thing with you, maybe pay couple thousand more but you would sit on a bag of rocks before paying 10K extra (I get that). Isn't that really what it comes down to, what one is willing to pay for extra comfort (I am almost at the stage of life where I will pay to fly first class . . . almost . . . 2-3Xs the price before seemed out of the question and now I think about it each time before I decide to pay for the standard class). Point is that is an individual thing as everyone wants more luxury the question is what they are willing to pay for it.

And with BMWs, if you are paying for luxury, you will be disappointed with how much you pay for the luxury you get. However, probably not going to be disappointed with performance. If I want purely luxury, I'm would go mercedes to lexus. But this all goes back to what I was saying, there might be a few who buy BMWs for their name, but most are buying for the performance. Here is what Edmunds says about the 3 series (used to own one of these and that is what got me hooked (I went from toyotas, to acuras, to BMWs)

The BMW 3 Series is the company's top seller in the United States and a favorite in the marketplace for good reason: It's a well-built, premium compact car endowed with world-class fit and finish, ample power, and a comfortable ride and handling trade-off that is unmatched by most vehicles at any price. And that applies no matter what model or year you choose, as generation after generation of 3 Series enjoy the same benefits despite a constant evolution. This makes buying a used 3 Series a solid bet -- there's not a dud model among them.

As for new 3 Series shoppers, the current model year represents one of transition. While the coupe, convertible and wagon continue on from last year's design, the sedan represents the new sixth-generation 3 Series. It's slightly larger and faster than the previous 3 Series generations, but lighter and considerably more efficient. It also has a bolder look inside and out, revised suspension and steering, and more interior space. Beyond its improvements, however, the current 3 Series is just the latest generation in a well-bred family of sport sedans.



To be fair they talk about the high cost of a BMW and say some may find it to be overpriced.
 
Easily. And they will get better MPG.

Why did you overpay so much for your bike? Why is it all about status with you?

Seriously, show me the scooter. You can't get a scooter that goes 65+ for under 3k. You can get a 50cc scooter for 2500ish. I have a 250 that gets 73mpg. Good luck beating that.
 
You got a brand new camry for $13k?

I got the Camry for 23k. I couldn't find a BMW for under 35k. I'm saying the price gap between a BMW/Camry does not fit the quality gap. If you can find a brand new car for 13k (which I doubt you can), then we'll talk about me spending in excess on a Camry.
 
MPXY260T-4. This bike is a cross between a Vespa and motorcycle yet it looks good with plenty of power. It's ETA and Dot approved with plenty of safety features along with a smooth ride, storage space and get-up and go. Maximum at 80 MPH and 70-100 MPG. It's 250cc priced at $1,699.00 plus $300 shipping.

And that's brand new. How did you pay $3,000 for a brand new crotch rocket like that?

Dude, the regular price on that thing is $4,999.00. They're practically giving them away right now (which isn't a good sign). If you want to get a scooter from a reputable company like Honda, or Vespa, or whatever, it's going to cost you a lot more than 1,699.00. And by reputable, I mean not a chinese piece of shit that will break on you in the first few years.

My bike is an 03. It runs like it's brand new. I never said the bike was new. Blazerboy asked why I ride a bike and not a scooter. I have a 250 that's a 2012. It gets 73 mpg. That scooter company is flat out lying to you if they say that thing can get 100 mpg. I could see between 70-80 mpg tops.
 
I got the Camry for 23k. I couldn't find a BMW for under 35k. I'm saying the price gap between a BMW/Camry does not fit the quality gap. If you can find a brand new car for 13k (which I doubt you can), then we'll talk about me spending in excess on a Camry.

You can get a Subaru Legacy for under 20K. I would like to know why a camry is over 3K more than a subaru.
 
Dude, the regular price on that thing is $4,999.00. They're practically giving them away right now (which isn't a good sign). If you want to get a scooter from a reputable company like Honda, or Vespa, or whatever, it's going to cost you a lot more than 1,699.00. And by reputable, I mean not a chinese piece of shit that will break on you in the first few years.

My bike is an 03. It runs like it's brand new. I never said the bike was new. Blazerboy asked why I ride a bike and not a scooter. I have a 250 that's a 2012. It gets 73 mpg. That scooter company is flat out lying to you if they say that thing can get 100 mpg. I could see between 70-80 mpg tops.

Dude, I'm just busting your balls man. Chillax! I was pulling a Sly
 
Nate, thought you might find this interesting as I found it looking up Hyundai line of cars (Funny because the Toyota is sort of like the BMW in it's class in that it gets top ratings but some consider overpriced given other car prices in it's category)



It seems like only yesterday that the Hyundai Sonata set the midsize family sedan market ablaze with sharp styling, class-leading comfort, generous feature offerings and overall value. Now, just two years on, the pressure is mounting from newly redesigned competitors made by Chevrolet, Ford, Honda, Nissan and Toyota.

To its credit, the 2013 Hyundai Sonata remains an excellent choice. With a long list of standard features -- some of which are options on other sedans -- the Sonata provides a lot of bang for the buck. Add to this the availability of two strong engine choices (along with a Sonata hybrid model that is covered in a separate review), admirable fuel economy, top safety scores and a lengthy warranty and it becomes clear why the Sonata is far from becoming yesterday's news.

Still, recent redesigns to the 2013 Ford Fusion and 2013 Honda Accord mean that the Sonata now has some company at the top. We would suggest that potential buyers take a look at all three of these midsize sedans, as the advantages among them are slight. By the same token we'd recommend the Kia Optima, which shares much of the Hyundai's underpinnings wrapped in an evocative exterior. Though not quite as impressive as these others, the Toyota Camry also earns our recommendation, buoyed by its reputation for bulletproof reliability.

The good news is that among these choices, there's really no loser in the bunch. The 2013 Hyundai Sonata may not enjoy the sizable lead it recently had, but the standard it set is still very much a bright spot in what used to be a bland and uninspiring class of cars.

 
You can get a Subaru Legacy for under 20K. I would like to know why a camry is over 3K more than a subaru.

We actually liked the Subaru, but they don't get good gas mileage because they're AWD. And actually the Legacy is right around the same price point as the Camry. Just depends on which model. We got the SE, which has a couple of extra frills for a few thousand more. You can get a Camry for 21k.
 
Can get one of these for about 13K: The Chevy Sonic gets a number of worthwhile additions for 2013. All models get standard Bluetooth phone connectivity and blind-spot mirrors, along with the option of the Chevrolet MyLink infotainment system that includes a touchscreen, Bluetooth streaming audio, a navigation app and additional smartphone-compatible services. A new performance-inspired RS model is also added to the roster.

If you can tell I can procrastinate all day looking at cars. Worse is I will spend all day shopping boats (at least a handful of days wasted there) and have yet to buy a boat. :)
 
Can get one of these for about 13K: The Chevy Sonic gets a number of worthwhile additions for 2013. All models get standard Bluetooth phone connectivity and blind-spot mirrors, along with the option of the Chevrolet MyLink infotainment system that includes a touchscreen, Bluetooth streaming audio, a navigation app and additional smartphone-compatible services. A new performance-inspired RS model is also added to the roster.

If you can tell I can procrastinate all day looking at cars. Worse is I will spend all day shopping boats (at least a handful of days wasted there) and have yet to buy a boat. :)

How fast have you driven your BMW? Just curious.
 
I got the Camry for 23k. I couldn't find a BMW for under 35k. I'm saying the price gap between a BMW/Camry does not fit the quality gap. If you can find a brand new car for 13k (which I doubt you can), then we'll talk about me spending in excess on a Camry.

You bought a brand new car, and you didn't have to. You paid more than you had to because you wanted certain things that the brand new Camry offered.

The difference between a BMW and Camry doesn't justify the price to you, with your circumstances and what you can afford.

To others, the price difference between a BMW and a Camry is like choosing between name brand Cheerios or store-brand cereal.
 
How fast have you driven your BMW? Just curious.

Well funny you ask as I just had to drive down to medford this weekend (for one soccer game but that is a different thread itself). I love that the speed limit is 65 and I'm cursed with knowing how understaffed OSP is. SO while I got comfortable averaging 75 MPH, everyone once in a while I caught myself averaging between 80-90 and took it to 110 when I got pissed at a truck. I'm actually a mellow driver, but it is easy to get up to that speed without even realizing it and when I was going 110, I had both hands on wheel and was fully concentrating but never felt concerned at the speed it was going. BMWs really hug the road well.

But overall I rarely take it above 80. My vice is I like to drive around 50-60 on the open road that has a lot of curves and bends to it. The way the car hugs the road around those turns is what I enjoy. But I just know I'm going to get a ticket one of these days doing that and that will slow me down to mellow crusing speeds for at least a year.
 
Dude, the regular price on that thing is $4,999.00. They're practically giving them away right now (which isn't a good sign). If you want to get a scooter from a reputable company like Honda, or Vespa, or whatever, it's going to cost you a lot more than 1,699.00. And by reputable, I mean not a chinese piece of shit that will break on you in the first few years.

My bike is an 03. It runs like it's brand new. I never said the bike was new. Blazerboy asked why I ride a bike and not a scooter. I have a 250 that's a 2012. It gets 73 mpg. That scooter company is flat out lying to you if they say that thing can get 100 mpg. I could see between 70-80 mpg tops.

Dude, you're telling him he can't use that comparison because it isn't the "regular price". The $3k you paid for your used bike isn't the "regular" price either.

Your arguments are looking ridiculous at this point.
 
We actually liked the Subaru, but they don't get good gas mileage because they're AWD. And actually the Legacy is right around the same price point as the Camry. Just depends on which model. We got the SE, which has a couple of extra frills for a few thousand more. You can get a Camry for 21k.

This is hilarious. Seriously.

You rag on people spending thousands more for a BMW, but you just spent a few thousand more for some "frills". Did you do that for a status symbol?

Let me get this straight...

If you spend several thousand more on a car that is Natebishop approved, then it is completely justified. But if you spend some thousands more on a non-Natebishop approved car, then it's all about the status.

Got it.
 
Well funny you ask as I just had to drive down to medford this weekend (for one soccer game but that is a different thread itself). I love that the speed limit is 65 and I'm cursed with knowing how understaffed OSP is. SO while I got comfortable averaging 75 MPH, everyone once in a while I caught myself averaging between 80-90 and took it to 110 when I got pissed at a truck. I'm actually a mellow driver, but it is easy to get up to that speed without even realizing it and when I was going 110, I had both hands on wheel and was fully concentrating but never felt concerned at the speed it was going. BMWs really hug the road well.

But overall I rarely take it above 80. My vice is I like to drive around 50-60 on the open road that has a lot of curves and bends to it. The way the car hugs the road around those turns is what I enjoy. But I just know I'm going to get a ticket one of these days doing that and that will slow me down to mellow crusing speeds for at least a year.

Sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread, but which BMW do you have?
 
Dude, you're telling him he can't use that comparison because it isn't the "regular price". The $3k you paid for your used bike isn't the "regular" price either.

Your arguments are looking ridiculous at this point.

You asked why I ride my bike and not a scooter. I said why. The scooters that are made for the freeway are usually more than 3k. He found a bike that is being sold at less than half the retail price. If that doesn't raise red flags, I don't know what to tell you.

I bought my 600 to work on it. The 250 that I bought brand new for 4k is a commuter and gets just as good mpg as almost any scooter. The 250 is like the Camry. It might be boring, and less flashy, not a high performance vehicle, but it gets good gas mileage and it's comfortable. The 600 was a bike that I got to customize and work on. Do you do a lot of customization and work on your BMW? Do you even know how to work on it? Just curious.

As I said earlier in the thread, the 600 is my toy. The Camry is my transportation.
 
This is hilarious. Seriously.

You rag on people spending thousands more for a BMW, but you just spent a few thousand more for some "frills". Did you do that for a status symbol?

Let me get this straight...

If you spend several thousand more on a car that is Natebishop approved, then it is completely justified. But if you spend some thousands more on a non-Natebishop approved car, then it's all about the status.

Got it.

OH I see, a couple thousand more for things like fog lamps, navigation, moon roof is the same as 10-12k more for a BMW? You're hilarious. We paid a little more for function. Not sure how that equates to status.
 
Well funny you ask as I just had to drive down to medford this weekend (for one soccer game but that is a different thread itself). I love that the speed limit is 65 and I'm cursed with knowing how understaffed OSP is. SO while I got comfortable averaging 75 MPH, everyone once in a while I caught myself averaging between 80-90 and took it to 110 when I got pissed at a truck. I'm actually a mellow driver, but it is easy to get up to that speed without even realizing it and when I was going 110, I had both hands on wheel and was fully concentrating but never felt concerned at the speed it was going. BMWs really hug the road well.

But overall I rarely take it above 80. My vice is I like to drive around 50-60 on the open road that has a lot of curves and bends to it. The way the car hugs the road around those turns is what I enjoy. But I just know I'm going to get a ticket one of these days doing that and that will slow me down to mellow crusing speeds for at least a year.

I know how that feels. When I ride my 600 I can barely turn the grip and I'm at 95. I've never gone over 100 because... well.... I don't think it's worth the risk. I think you get hand cuffs if they catch you going over 100.
 
I know how that feels. When I ride my 600 I can barely turn the grip and I'm at 95. I've never gone over 100 because... well.... I don't think it's worth the risk. I think you get hand cuffs if they catch you going over 100.

Funny story....

I had my E63 years ago and I usually love driving +100 on the freeway to my son's school (without him in the car of course). Anyway, I was racing down the freeway (probably around 120 mph) and I noticed this car coming up on me. After realizing that this wasn't a black and white, I decided to play around with the driver. The moment he got close; I gunned it going at least 135-140 and smoking him to wear he was barely visible. Then I would slow down enough for him to catch up to me, only to gun it again. Rinse and Repeat.

So the moment I got to my exit, I began to turn into the off-ramp. Waiting for the light, I noticed that the car I was playing around with was an undercover cop. When the light went green, he turned on his lights and pulled me over. When he got out, he raced to my car and told me to give him my keys. He then called a local sheriff to come to the location. He screamed "How the fuck you think its okay to drive over 130 mph on the freeway?!" I simply replied, "Officer, I don't believe I was going that fast but if you show me the radar shot to prove I was going that fast, then I may believe him"

After keeping me in my car for about 30 minutes, he walked back with the local sheriff and said "We have the right to tow your vehicle and arrest you for reckless driving". I replied again, "Officer, I don't believe I was going that fast and I haven't seen proof that you or any police officer, proving I was going that fast" The local officer yelled "Stop being a fucking smart ass and admit that you went that fast!" I replied "I will not admit to anything I don't believe I DID!" I also added that I was picking up my son from school and if I am unlawfully arrested, I will file a civil suit to his department for child endangerment.

The cop told me to get out of my car. I asked again "Are you arresting me?" He screamed "Fucking get out of the car or I will arrest you!" I replied "I am only getting out of my car because I feel threatened by his accosting demeanor and do not want physical harm. When I was out, he went right in my face and told me that I am some rich smart ass that thinks he can get away with this shit. I replied that I am not a smart ass and just know my rights. Either give me proof that I committed this infraction or let me go. All the while the other officer was writing me a ticket. On the ticket it said "Driving 140+". I told both of them they better be in court, because I will most definitely fight this ticket. They said they would both be there.

Finally, my court day comes and I have everything prepared. I was ready to cross examine the under cover about his training methods for pacing a vehicle, credentials, and how many training days he had on pacing. I also had a few sections on how the local police cannot issue me a ticket because that officer did not witness the violation, etc. I looked around for the undercover, since I knew that officer was the only one that could bust me. I only saw the local police officer and she starred right at me. I waved and whispered; "I hope you know you are not a credible witness". She scowled at me and sat with the chippies and other law enforcement. I could see her talking with the Chippies as they would look at me, then look at her. Eventually I saw her stand up and walk towards the bench. About 5 minutes later, I hear that my case was dropped and as the officer walked out, she whispered "You are fucking lucky!"
 
Mags... you are a crazy fucker. You played car tag with an undercover.

Brilliant! :lol:
 
Side topic: anyone pay to fly first class? Buyers remorse after the flight or well worth it?

I don't think it's worth it, but I'm really cheap. My current firm and last two firms paid for me to fly business class/first class and I always buy coach and keep the difference.
 
Is that the first year of the new platform or the last year of the old one?

With as much as I like to say I'm into cars, I don't even know.

It started as negotiations for a lease (under the business, easier that way) and I agreed to the price they were going to sell the car. (Bought in Dec 2011 and they priced it 12K below sticker to make the lease work) But they told me the residual amount was not negotiable and was based on the sticker price (bunch of BS if ask me). I was thinking about buying the car at the end (I baby my cars and couldn't believe I was returning a car in mint condition, didn't buy last one because I want an AWD living in the hills but determined to buy my next lease).

Anyways after about 6 hours at the dealership, I decided to buy the car at the selling price they put on the lease and then personally lease the car to my business. It was a headache finding out if I can do this and honestly I got worn down. So while I don't care if the model is changing if I'm leasing, I hate buying a new car only to find out they change the body style the nest year. Didn't even think about it until after I drove off the lot and didn't want to research it after bought car because afraid of answer. I don't see much difference in the newer models, at least that is what I tell myself. :)

Don't know why I threw all that out there on your question but for some reason thought you might find that story interesting.
 

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