CIA: Russia influenced the election

[riverman]

the situation he made is horrible

let's call it like it is......the situation Assad made is horrible..hold that asshole accountable for a change

 

[Denny Crane]

now this is a practice we should change...but don't insult our brave troops by painting cowardly imagery about getting to go home as "running away"...bullshit

The troops did what the commander in chief ordered. It's not on them. They won the war and established a fragile peace.

A CIC with a clue would have assured that peace endured.

 

[Denny Crane]

let's call it like it is......the situation Assad made is horrible..hold that asshole accountable for a change

Obama had the chance. He blinked. Putin stepped in.

The only good thing about Assad is that he kept his country out of civil war for a long time. If Obama played his cards right, his overthrow might have happened later but without all the mess.

 

[riverman]

A CIC with a clue would have assured that peace endured.

Not our job.....talk to Assad about peace in his country

 

[Denny Crane]

Not our job.....talk to Assad about peace in his country

Obama's surrender destabilized Iraq to the point where the terrorists in Syria gained a foothold.

Assad is fighting ISIS. We're fighting Assad. Who are we really helping?

 

[riverman]

Obama's surrender

STOP!!!!! This nullifies any chance of you making sense

 

[Denny Crane]

again...we don't dictate Iraqi policy...Obama didn't give Maliki an executive order.....that's Maliki's job..why don't you give a scathing critique of Maliki?

Maliki was as bad as Saddam. Obama gave Iraq to him. What does that say about our foreign policy under Clinton?

Obama has an excuse. He was well trained for the job by being a community organizer.

Clinton was supposedly a great pick for secretary of state.

 

[riverman]

Assad is fighting ISIS. We're fighting Assad. Who are we really helping?

off the cuff....Turkey

 

[Denny Crane]

STOP!!!!! This nullifies any chance of you making sense

But it is true. It's a fact.

Facts make the whole story real.

 

[Denny Crane]

off the cuff....Turkey

Off the cuff; ISIS.

 

[riverman]

Obama gave Iraq to him

wasn't Obama's to give...that's like saying Germans gave the US to colonists and made England go away

 

[Denny Crane]

wasn't Obama's to give...that's like saying Germans gave the US to colonists and made England go away

It fucking was his to give.

What is Maliki going to do against our 50,000 troops?

We had the moral high ground, too. Blood and treasure.

Or is Obama just a piss poor negotiator and couldn't convince al maliki to do the right thing? That's no doubt partially the problem.

 

[riverman]

It fucking was his to give.

I missed the part where we annexed Iraq and planted our flag while claiming to be a conquering empire

 

[riverman]

couldn't convince al maliki to do the right thing

Maliki not doing the right thing is Obama's responsibility? You act like he's the head hobo at a carboard home convention

 

[riverman]

It fucking was his to give.

What is Maliki going to do against our 50,000 troops?

We had the moral high ground, too. Blood and treasure.

Or is Obama just a piss poor negotiator and couldn't convince al maliki to do the right thing? That's no doubt partially the problem.

So in a nutshell, you favor the US influencing the Iraqi and Syrian political decision making process because we have a bigger army than they do?

 

[Denny Crane]

I missed the part where we annexed Iraq and planted our flag while claiming to be a conquering empire

You missed years of occupation?

I find that hard to believe.

There are all sorts of international laws covering the situation. We were within our rights. And it would have meant no ISIS, saved many many lives in the area, and prevented several terrorist attacks throughout the world including within the US.

 

[Denny Crane]

So in a nutshell, you favor the US influencing the Iraqi and Syrian political decision making process because we have a bigger army than they do?

Because we had an army already there and fought to achieve peace.

We didn't in Syria.

Imagine if we fought with Assad to take out ISIS, then dealt with Assad?

 

[riverman]

You missed years of occupation

yeah...uh..let's say being part of a multi national coalition and being an occupying nation are different things

 

[riverman]

Because we had an army already there and fought to achieve peace

Peace over there is like alchoholism..one day at a time...we did our job, then the replacements dropped the ball in their own fashion...off the wagon...stop making us the villain...you can take a guy to meetings but it doesn't mean he's not going on a bender next week...it's not like we adopt them for life

 

[Denny Crane]

Peace over there is like alchoholism..one day at a time...we did our job, then the replacements dropped the ball in their own fashion...off the wagon...stop making us the villain...you can take a guy to meetings but it doesn't mean he's not going on a bender next week...it's not like we adopt them for life

Peace in Europe was the same way. Until we occupied Germany for a decade. And we STILL have troops there.

It's not like there wasn't a successful real-world example to emulate.

 

[Denny Crane]

yeah...uh..let's say being part of a multi national coalition and being an occupying nation are different things

Makes no difference.

We spent $1T, at least. Thousands of our own lives. Installed a free and democratic government that could have grown into something stable and peaceful like all the nations we consider good actors.

We had the moral high ground and the legitimate legal right. We had obligations as occupiers, too.

 

[riverman]

Makes no difference.

to the nation being occupied, I beg to differ

 

[riverman]

We had obligations as occupiers, too

nope...we were done as soon as they had leaders in place..we retrained their army....at some point you go home..I want all those troops home today..they'll figure it out..let the Turks and Egyptians and Arab states deal with the neighborhood...

 

[Denny Crane]

to the nation being occupied, I beg to differ

They don't have a choice, get it?

Obama surrendered. HE made the choice to do so.

The bottom line is:

Bush left Obama with a secure and mostly non-violent (as violent as the US is) Iraq. An ongoing war in Afghanistan.

Obama is leaving Trump war in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. Those are all places Obama ordered the bombs to be dropped.

 

[Denny Crane]

nope...we were done as soon as they had leaders in place..we retrained their army....at some point you go home..I want all those troops home today..they'll figure it out..let the Turks and Egyptians and Arab states deal with the neighborhood...

Look up the laws and get back to me.

They're the Geneva Conventions, among others.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Denny Crane]

Did you hear?

NBC predicted Clinton would win over 350 electoral votes.

Boy are they good.

Good and pissed. All that investment down the drain.

 

[Denny Crane]

Did you hear?

NBC predicted Clinton would win over 350 electoral votes.

Boy are they good.

Good and pissed. All that investment down the drain.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Did you hear?

NBC predicted Clinton would win over 350 electoral votes.

Boy are they good.

Good and pissed. All that investment down the drain.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Did you hear?

NBC predicted Clinton would win over 350 electoral votes.

Boy are they good.

Good and pissed. All that investment down the drain.