CIA: Russia influenced the election

[Denny Crane]

???????? wow.......really?

Yes, really.

Obama opposed the surge, which succeeded and ended any real combat in Iraq. He put 100,000 troops (W size numbers) in Afghanistan. You seem to be calling that a radical change in how we fight.

 

[Denny Crane]

We've had fewer US military casualties under the current administration than in any large scale war we've ever waged....that's progress

That was true during W's time, too.

How about death of civilians that we caused?

 

[riverman]

ama gave up all the gains made at the cost of those 4,485 lives.

yeah right.....you keep spinning that story until someone believes it....it supports your narrative...and it's bs.....you like to use finite exaggerations like "all the gains" ......."gave up"......sort of as if you're really butt hurt by Obama

 

[riverman]

we caused

you can become a freedom fighter tomorrow......it seems that you've picked a side and identified the US as the enemy

 

[riverman]

That was true during W's time, too.

How about death of civilians that we caused?

define "we"

• Less than 200,000 troops

Multi-National Force – Iraq units

• Multi-National Force - West
• Multi-National Division - Baghdad
• Multinational Division Central-South
• Multi-National Division - North
• Multi-National Division (South-East)
• Logistics Support Area Anaconda

• 
  NATO: A contingent of around 150 advisers under the separate command NATO Training Mission - Iraq-(withdrawn 12/11)
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  United States: 150,000 invasion 165,000 peak-(withdrawn 12/11)
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  United Kingdom: 46,000 invasion (withdrawn 5/11)
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  Australia: 2,000 invasion (withdrawn 7/09)
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  Romania: 730 peak (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 7/09)
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  El Salvador: 380 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 1/09)
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  Estonia: 40 troops (deployed 6/05-withdrawn 1/09)
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  Bulgaria: 485 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 12/08)
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  Moldova: 24 peak (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 12/08)
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  Albania: 240 troops (deployed 4/03-withdrawn 12/08)
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  Ukraine: 1,650 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/08)
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  Denmark: 545 peak (deployed 4/03-withdrawn 12/08)
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  Czech Republic: 300 peak (deployed 12/03-withdrawn 12/08)
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  South Korea: 3,600 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 12/08)
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  Tonga: 55 troops (deployed 7/04-withdrawn 12/08)
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  Azerbaijan: 250 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/08)
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  Singapore: 175 offshore (deployed 12/03-withdrawn 12/08)
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  Bosnia and Herzegovina: 85 peak (deployed 6/05-withdrawn 11/08)
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  Macedonia: 77 peak (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 11/08)
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  Latvia: 136 peak (deployed 5/03-withdrawn 11/08)
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  Poland: 200 invasion—2,500 peak (withdrawn 10/08)
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  Kazakhstan: 29 troops (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 10/08)
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  Armenia: 46 troops (deployed 1/05-withdrawn 10/08)
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  Mongolia: 180 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 09/08)
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  Georgia: 2,000 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 8/08)

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  Slovakia: 110 peak (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 12/07)
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  Lithuania: 120 peak (deployed 6/03-withdrawn 08/07)
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  Italy: 3,200 peak (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 11/06)
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  Norway: 150 troops (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 8/06)
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  Japan: 600 troops (deployed 1/04-withdrawn 7/06)
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  Hungary: 300 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 3/05)
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  Netherlands: 1,345 troops (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 3/05)
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  Portugal: 128 troops (deployed 11/03-withdrawn 2/05)
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  New Zealand: 61 troops (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 9/04)
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  Thailand: 423 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 8/04)
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  Philippines: 51 troops (deployed 7/03-withdrawn 7/04)
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  Honduras: 368 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 5/04)
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  Dominican Republic: 302 troops (deployed 8/03-withdrawn 5/04)
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  Spain: 1,300 troops (deployed 4/03-withdrawn 4/04)
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  Nicaragua: 230 troops (deployed 9/03-withdrawn 2/04)
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  Iceland: 2 troops (deployed 5/03-withdrawal date unknown)

 

[riverman]

That was true during W's time, too.

not even close to Obama's numbers..

 

[Denny Crane]

yeah right.....you keep spinning that story until someone believes it....it supports your narrative...and it's bs.....you like to use finite exaggerations like "all the gains" ......."gave up"......sort of as if you're really butt hurt by Obama

Why did those people fight and die? So Obama could achieve a political victory at the expense of a rising ISIS and massive increase in violence there?

That isn't some narrative, it's the reality on the ground.

 

[Denny Crane]

not even close to Obama's numbers..

What a sorry thing Obama did for political gain.

 

[riverman]

Why did those people fight and die? So Obama could achieve a political victory at the expense of a rising ISIS and massive increase in violence there?

That isn't some narrative, it's the reality on the ground.

People fight and die everyday.......you want to blame Obama for it...sure.......let's just let Assad off the hook eh? Let's let the nerve gas killings pale in comparison to our brutal slaughter of people.....get over it Denny....are you complaining about the Coalition Forces or Iraqi forces or Assad's henchmen or Putin? No.....doesn't support your narrative,

 

[Denny Crane]

you can become a freedom fighter tomorrow......it seems that you've picked a side and identified the US as the enemy

I identify the US as RESPONSIBLE for the Iraqi people. It's international law.

The blood of all Iraqis, since Bush decided to occupy and since Obama's surrender are on our hands.

 

[riverman]

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What a sorry thing Obama did for political gain.

What a sad thing Bin Laden did....what a sad thing Assad did.....all for political gain..what a sad thing Putin did...all for political gain....wake up and smell the world

 

[Denny Crane]

People fight and die everyday.......you want to blame Obama for it...sure.......let's just let Assad off the hook eh? Let's let the nerve gas killings pale in comparison to our brutal slaughter of people.....get over it Denny....are you complaining about the Coalition Forces or Iraqi forces or Assad's henchmen or Putin? No.....doesn't support your narrative,

We had a mission, the soldiers bought into it and did their part. Obama squandered the effort. There's no other way to spin it.

 

[riverman]

I identify the US as RESPONSIBLE for the Iraqi people

you should send them money

 

[Denny Crane]

What a sad thing Bin Laden did....what a sad thing Assad did.....all for political gain..what a sad thing Putin did...all for political gain....wake up and smell the world

You're the one lumping Obama in with Bin Laden. See it?

 

[riverman]

There's no other way to spin it.

you wish

 

[Denny Crane]

you should send them money

I did. We all did. It was squandered by Obama when he surrendered.

 

[Denny Crane]

you wish

What is this, 3rd grade now?

 

[riverman]

I did. We all did. It was squandered by Obama when he surrendered.

Denny Crane....ripcity2's Chatty Kathy doll has spoken again.....you don't have the tools to talk about surrender....it's demonstrable but hey....practice makes perfect!

 

[riverman]

What is this, 3rd grade now?

insult away.......it's very telling....I'll poke holes all over your opinion about this but .....what's the point of that....you'll just try to provoke me with it...FAIL!!

 

[Denny Crane]

Denny Crane....ripcity2's Chatty Kathy doll has spoken again.....you don't have the tools to talk about surrender....it's demonstrable but hey....practice makes perfect!

I have made it abundantly clear my use of the term is 100% correct. It's demonstrable.

No will to fight. In a hurry to run away. No consideration of the cost. Abandoned our weapons on the battlefield. The enemy owns all the territory we had gained and controlled.

That's surrender, plain and simple.

 

[Denny Crane]

insult away.......it's very telling....I'll poke holes all over your opinion about this but .....what's the point of that....you'll just try to provoke me with it...FAIL!!

I'm not the one posting "you wish" as if it's reason or logic. That's 3rd grade.

 

[riverman]

You're the one lumping Obama in with Bin Laden. See it?

no..Obama is not on my list of horrible mercenaries and dictators......what a 3rd grade post from you

 

[riverman]

I'm not the one posting "you wish" as if it's reason or logic. That's 3rd grade.

I'm glad you can distinguish who's posting what....and are an expert on 3rd grade cutting and pasting...fact is you do wish for divisive political walls and contention....we'll see how your orange hero manages the world and it's problems and our military

 

[riverman]

What is this, 3rd grade now?

Let me explain......you wish opposing opinions argued when you spin anti Obama bullshit...anyone who even says you can only spin it one way can probably only spin it one way....some of us can look at things as a whole, not an angle

 

[Denny Crane]

What I cut and paste is solid support for the positions I stake out and defend. The anti-Bush Iraq Body Count data is damning evidence and supports what I've been writing all along.

I'm not the one who lumped Obama in with Bin Laden and the rest. I have no idea what you were trying to prove there. That bad or incompetent rulers do bad things?

I'm not at all anti Obama. I applaud many of the things he did, just not these.

Guess what? The emperor wears new clothes.

 

[riverman]

I'm not the one who lumped Obama in with Bin Laden and the rest

you've got Obama blinders...seem to ignore all the folks involved in these conflicts.....so you lump everyone and thing into a blame Obama singular stream...I've yet to see you assign any blame to casualties to Assad or any of these horrible leaders on the world stage...Obama has been very even handed dealing with both regions.....guess what...that's not going to be the case really soon.

 

[riverman]

. I applaud many of the things he did

You've basically called him a war criminal.....

 

[Denny Crane]

you've got Obama blinders...seem to ignore all the folks involved in these conflicts.....so you lump everyone and thing into a blame Obama singular stream...I've yet to see you assign any blame to casualties to Assad or any of these horrible leaders on the world stage...Obama has been very even handed dealing with both regions.....guess what...that's not going to be the case really soon.

Of course Assad is to blame. He gassed his own people. The red line in the sand Obama drew, remember?

My bad, I'm not supposed to say that Obama fucked up, right?

I applaud Obama for taking so many vacations . Imagine if he put that time to "work!"

I applaud him for the end of don't ask, don't tell. For taking firm action on various civil rights issues, particularly police shootings. And for support of gay marriage.

How's that for putting and end to the "anti obama stream?"

 

[Denny Crane]

You've basically called him a war criminal.....

Look. Nixon was declared a war criminal for bombing Cambodia and Laos. Why did he? Because the bad guys would go across the border there to hide, come back into Vietnam to do guerrilla operations and then run away to hide again.

A lot like the Taliban in Pakistan, eh?

So Obama gets to bomb OUR ALLY, expanding his war into neighboring states, for the same reason and is not a war criminal?

Either he is or Nixon wasn't.

And I'm no fan of Nixon.

 

[riverman]

Look. Nixon was declared a war criminal for bombing Cambodia and Laos. Why did he? Because the bad guys would go across the border there to hide, come back into Vietnam to do guerrilla operations and then run away to hide again.

A lot like the Taliban in Pakistan, eh?

So Obama gets to bomb OUR ALLY, expanding his war into neighboring states, for the same reason and is not a war criminal?

Either he is or Nixon wasn't.

And I'm no fan of Nixon.

Nixon was a paranoid asshole but never convicted of war crimes......exaggerate much? With your logic, Bin Laden would still be living in Pakistan next to their military complex....again...Obama was praised for that operation...not tried for war crimes in the Hague