CIA: Russia influenced the election

[Denny Crane]

I dealt with some of this stuff in the Navy during war.....if they discover a spy they want to leave him in place thinking he's unnoticed and feed him misinformation.....we did this to the Japanese during WWII all the time

What's not being reported is that there is something of a civil war going on in the CIA. There was a contingent who was opposed to W during his presidency and did their best to damage him. The same kind of group is leaking stuff to the left leaning media with the intent to damage Trump.

The CIA just isn't nonpartisan anymore. That's what you get when you have unelected political appointees throughout the massive government bureaucracies.

The CIA is also at war with the FBI.

I'm sure if the CIA came out and told the truth about Clinton's server and failure to abide by the laws regarding security, the butt hurt crowd would be whining about that.

 

[Chris Craig]

 

[Denny Crane]

http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/12/the-five-stages-of-losing-an-election-to-donald-trump/

The 5 Stages Of Losing An Election To Donald Trump
Never acceptance.

1. Comey did it.
2. Voting machines
3. The Constitution screwed us again.
4. Fake news.
5. The Russians are coming.

Of course, there will always be overarching theories about why Republicans win elections – like assuming half the country are racist. The Left is so enveloped by its identity politics, it may not understand that the other half of the country is sick of it. But, while I’m no fan of Donald Trump, Democrats have been demanding I panic over every cabinet pick, every statement and the things that are 1) the sort of things that were completely ok with them during the Obama administration and 2) the types of things that any mainstream Republican would engage in. Now, I’m not in the business of concern trolling, but before we shift to yet another conspiracy theory, it might behoove Democrats to look inward to explain their historic losses since the passage of Obamacare in 2010.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'm sure if the CIA came out and told the truth about Clinton's server and failure to abide by the laws regarding security, the butt hurt crowd would be whining about that.

You're sure, are you. So how do you know the truth is so damaging? And given that the NSA was hacked but there's no evidence Clinton's private server was, maybe the lesson is that Clinton accidentally did the right thing?

If you REALLY CARE to learn more about Clinton's emails, try this. It's actually pretty fascinating:

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/601/master-of-her-domain-name

 

[Denny Crane]

You're sure, are you. So how do you know the truth is so damaging? And given that the NSA was hacked but there's no evidence Clinton's private server was, maybe the lesson is that Clinton accidentally did the right thing?

If you REALLY CARE to learn more about Clinton's emails, try this. It's actually pretty fascinating:

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/601/master-of-her-domain-name

Guccifer 2.0 says he hacked Clinton's server. He provided links to files he copied off the server, including spreadsheets of donors, emails, etc.

The FBI director said Guccifer's confession was not sufficient. The CIA now says Guccifer worked for the government and hacked the RNC and DNC as well as others.

But not the criminal's homebrew email server?

Not believable.

 

[Denny Crane]

Read it and weep.

https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/10/04/clinton-foundation/





Much more stuff that debunks the lying butthurt twitter stream at the link.

 

[e_blazer]

You're sure, are you. So how do you know the truth is so damaging? And given that the NSA was hacked but there's no evidence Clinton's private server was, maybe the lesson is that Clinton accidentally did the right thing?

If you REALLY CARE to learn more about Clinton's emails, try this. It's actually pretty fascinating:

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/601/master-of-her-domain-name

Seriously? Accidentally did the right thing? There's no evidence of a hack because her server lacked basic security protection. If you leave your wallet on the sidewalk there's not much evidence when it's lifted.

 

[Denny Crane]

https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/15/dnc/

GUCCIFER 2.0 DNC’S SERVERS HACKED BY A LONE HACKER
Worldwide known cyber security company CrowdStrike announced that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) servers had been hacked by “sophisticated” hacker groups.

I’m very pleased the company appreciated my skills so highly))) But in fact, it was easy, very easy.

Guccifer may have been the first one who penetrated Hillary Clinton’s and other Democrats’ mail servers. But he certainly wasn’t the last. No wonder any other hacker could easily get access to the DNC’s servers.

Shame on CrowdStrike: Do you think I’ve been in the DNC’s networks for almost a year and saved only 2 documents? Do you really believe it?

Here are just a few docs from many thousands I extracted when hacking into DNC’s network.

 

[Denny Crane]

CIA claims Guccifer 2.0 is a Russian entity of some sort. Seems the guy is a Romanian hacker, not Russian. Oops!


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...breached-clinton-server-pleads-guilty-n580186

Guccifer, Hacker Who Says He Breached Clinton Server, Pleads Guilty
by PETE WILLIAMS

A Romanian man who claims he broke into Hillary Clinton's private e-mail server — and did manage to hack into computer accounts of prominent world figures — pleaded guilty Wednesday in a U.S. courtroom.

Marcel Lehel Lazar entered guilty pleas to charges of identity theft and unauthorized access to protected computers before a federal judge in Alexandria, Virginia.

 

[Denny Crane]

Seriously? Accidentally did the right thing? There's no evidence of a hack because her server lacked basic security protection. If you leave your wallet on the sidewalk there's not much evidence when it's lifted.

There are all sorts of hacker message boards where rootkits and other hacking tools can be downloaded. Trivial to obtain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit

A rootkit is a collection of computer software, typically malicious, designed to enable access to a computer or areas of its software that would not otherwise be allowed (for example, to an unauthorized user) and often masks its existence or the existence of other software.[1]

...

Once installed, it becomes possible to hide the intrusion as well as to maintain privileged access. The key is the root or administrator access. Full control over a system means that existing software can be modified, including software that might otherwise be used to detect or circumvent it.

...

Rootkit detection is difficult because a rootkit may be able to subvert the software that is intended to find it. Detection methods include using an alternative and trusted operating system, behavioral-based methods, signature scanning, difference scanning, and memory dump analysis. Removal can be complicated or practically impossible, especially in cases where the rootkit resides in the kernel; reinstallation of the operating system may be the only available solution to the problem.[2]

 

[MarAzul]

Did the Russian help Trump get elected?

Hell no! Clinton was near the worse candidate for President ever.


Did the Russian hack Clinton's email?

Who cares? She was stupid enough to make it easy, but we learned little except the truth. Half of which we should have learned from a free press doing their proper work. No matter who is in power, security needs to be corrected to prevent hackers, Russian or other.


It occurs to me now as I reflect on our history with Russia, that our greatest periods of tension with Russia, beginning during WWII, have always been when the Democrats are in power. Beginning with FDR virtually ceding Easter Europe to the Russians at Yalta, laying frame work for the cold war. Then Democrat Harry Truman letting the Russian seal the gates and take over vast territories in Asia, creating North Korea. Truman also failed to help Ho Chi Minh, whom helped defeat Japan, prevent the French from returning as Colonial overlords in Indo China, leaving him no option other than China and the Soviets as a source of aid.

It was also the Democrat, Kennedy that the Russian thought they could steam roll in Cuba, by placing Missiles within short range of the US.

Then again with years of tension under the Democrat Carter and his misguided henchman, Brzezinski harassing the Russians for their war in Afghanistan as sort of pay back for messing with us in Vietnam. Actually the Russian's purpose in Afghanistan was not all that different from the US mission there now. Attempting to eliminate havens for Islamic terrorist activity in their(our) country.

Eiesenhower, tried to lessen the tensions, as was the intension's of Reagan, who was ultimately successful. Although Reagan had to ratchet it up, to show it for what it was, ridiculous. It does not surprise me to find Trump seeks to have better relations with the Russian, we should. I have no desire to contribute a grandson to the struggle over where the boarder ls located between Russia and the Ukraine. Enough of this using the Russians as a common enemy to unite this nation. We need to put that arcane game away, and use logic.
The Russians did not help Trump get elected, the American people came to their senses as they occasionally do.

 

[Denny Crane]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

Stuxnet is a malicious computer worm believed to be a jointly built American-Israeli cyberweapon,[1] although no organization or state has officially admitted responsibility. However, anonymous US officials speaking to The Washington Post claimed the worm was developed during the Bush administration to sabotage Iran’s nuclear program with what would seem like a long series of unfortunate accidents.[2]

Stuxnet specifically targets programmable logic controllers (PLCs), which allow the automation of electromechanical processes such as those used to control machinery on factory assembly lines, amusement rides, or centrifuges for separating nuclear material. Exploiting four zero-day flaws,[3] Stuxnet functions by targeting machines using the Microsoft Windows operating system and networks, then seeking out Siemens Step7 software. Stuxnet reportedly compromised Iranian PLCs, collecting information on industrial systems and causing the fast-spinning centrifuges to tear themselves apart.[4] Stuxnet’s design and architecture are not domain-specific and it could be tailored as a platform for attacking modern SCADA and PLC systems (e.g., in automobile[vague] or power plants), the majority of which reside in Europe, Japan and the US.[5] Stuxnet reportedly ruined almost one fifth of Iran's nuclear centrifuges.[6]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

For context, the Economist is a very well-respected right-of-center magazine. Kind of like The Financial Times.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/guccifer-2-clinton-foundation-hack-leak/

Shrug.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Starting to think the Russians hacked the DennyBot.

 

[blue32]

First it was Comey, then it was the EC, then it was the fake news and then it was Russia

Democrats now a days, complete shit show.

Face the fact that your diety lost because she was fucking terrible.

 

[e_blazer]

Speaking of governments deliberately trying to influence elections:

The leaked e-mails of Hillary Rodham Clinton reveal that as Secretary of State she worked very hard to influence elections in Latin America and to defeat of Bolivarian socialists at the ballot box.

Clinton and other US leaders have actively tried to influence elections and secure the defeat of the elected government of Belarus, led by Alexander Lukashenko. On several occasions when the pro-western minority in Belarus has been defeated at the polls, the streets of the country have experience a wave of violence from US-backed “oppositionists.”

Despite Vladimir Putin being one of the most popular heads of state on earth, Clinton has publicly aligned herself with the widely unpopular, pro-western Russian opposition. The US State Department most certainly has a relationship with such forces as well.

http://journal-neo.org/2016/08/04/c...rs-frequently-intervene-in-foreign-elections/

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Speaking of governments deliberately trying to influence elections:



http://journal-neo.org/2016/08/04/c...rs-frequently-intervene-in-foreign-elections/

Your point being? Because Hillary does it it's okay if Russia does it?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Either the Russians attempted to influence the election or they didn't, but if they did, is it an act of war that must be responded to or should it be ignored?

I await the full investigation before letting myself worry about that question, but finding the truth should be beyond party affiliation.

 

[e_blazer]

Your point being? Because Hillary does it it's okay if Russia does it?

My point being that it's a normal part of world affairs for governments to try to promote the election or ascendence to power of people that they believe will be advantageous for that government's goals. It's been happening since the dawn of organized nationstates. We've done it countless times and I'm sure there are many examples of other countries trying to influence our elections. The evolution of computer networks makes it easier for the system to be manipulated and I'm all in favor of making whatever changes we can to firm up security. That said, nobody has advanced any credible evidence that the outcome of the election was impacted in any substantive way by the WikiLeaks dump. Or are you of the opinion that the folks in California were too stoned to have been aware of those stories and so continued to vote for Hillary in massive numbers?

 

[e_blazer]

Either the Russians attempted to influence the election or they didn't, but if they did, is it an act of war that must be responded to or should it be ignored?

I await the full investigation before letting myself worry about that question, but finding the truth should be beyond party affiliation.

IMO, it is only in the realm of an "act of war" if they actively manipulated the vote by hacking computer networks to stuff the ballot results. I've seen absolutely no evidence of that. In fact what recounts we have seen have shown no evidence at all of that.

 

[Nikolokolus]

IMO, it is only in the realm of an "act of war" if they actively manipulated the vote by hacking computer networks to stuff the ballot results. I've seen absolutely no evidence of that. In fact what recounts we have seen have shown no evidence at all of that.

I think it's a fuzzy distinction; whether it was a sophisticated psy-op or a cyber-security operation, it's still an overtly hostile act.

Like I said I'll wait for the full investigation before I decide what I think about all of this.

 

[riverman]

truth should be beyond party affiliation

if only....

 

[riverman]

I used to play the board game "Risk" in my college years...was thinking of how Trump is allying himself with Russia, India, Taiwan, Japan, Phillipines and testing China..if you've ever played risk, it looks like he's going after China and Iran and might share the spoils with several of their neighbors....this is not a fact..just a thought I had about the logistics of his early contacts after the election and his tone with China and Iran...

 

[MARIS61]

 

[blue32]

Democrats shown to influence the election by voting for and passing laws which allow for illegal aliens to vote (no ID required in multitude of places). They influence the election by busing illegals & homeless, etc, to polling booths (video admittance from DNC operatives). They take massive foreign donations disguised through their charities.


"The FBI does not dispute that the CIA's assessment could be accurate, said a U.S. official with knowledge of the matter. The difference lies in the institutional standards the agencies require in reaching such conclusions. While the CIA develops assessments based on a broad interpretation of available data, the FBI, as a law enforcement agency, requires a standard of proof that could sustain a possible criminal prosecution."

"TheNew York Timesreports: “The C.I.A.’s conclusion does not appear to be the product of specific new intelligence obtained since the election, several American officials, including some who had read the agency’s briefing, said on Sunday. Rather, it was an analysis of what many believe is overwhelming circumstantial evidence — evidence that others feel does not support firm judgments — that the Russians put a thumb on the scale for Mr. Trump, and got their desired outcome.” In other words, someone only decided after Trump won that the accusation was worth making."


But all of that didn't matter until they lost. Now it's a butt-hurt fervor over so-called "Russia's" attempt at influencing an election, however "broad interpretation & could" doesn't cut the mustard.

This is a grasping at straws approach by the butt-hurt left, which resemble a certain twitter-loving poster here, to de-legitimize Trump's win.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/guccifer-2-clinton-foundation-hack-leak/

Shrug.

It's completely expected the Clinton Foundation would have a folder names Pay to Play.

Sheesh.

Or that the hacker might organize what he found.

The revelation hit you yet?

 

[blue32]

It's completely expected the Clinton Foundation would have a folder names Pay to Play.

Sheesh.

Or that the hacker might organize what he found.

The revelation hit you yet?

It's so funny, and predictable..... Recount funded by the D's out there fails miserably. So much so, Jill Stein will never be remembered again past last week, that it caused the Dems to try and recharge this "russia" hacking narrative.

I actually am somewhat happy that the, Clinton, Podesta and DNC got their shit leaked. They were exposed for the corrupt scumbags that they are. Actually everyone should be happy.