CIA: Russia influenced the election

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Rastapopoulos said:
This sounds like kind of a big deal...


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Sounds like a complete bullshit excuse to me. This democratic tactic is only hurting ALL American people as blocking or slowing the transition does nobody any good.

Well played Obama, you're still shit as you walk out the door.

Rastapopoulos said:
Wonders: Why doesn't anyone ever reply to my posts?
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Because they're mostly liberal mouthpiece, echo chamber, MSM garbage. You are brainwashed bro.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
This has to be posted here somewhere but I can't dig through all the clutter to check....laughed out loud. They even pried open Loretta Swit's crypt for this one.
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Imagine for one moment that all of the people in this video were who showed up if you called the police to report a home invasion.
 
What's interesting to me is that we have all these intelligence experts here in the forum able to divine what is true and what isn't just by reading other peoples' tweets. Also equally interesting is belief/disbelief seems to break exactly on party lines.

Whether the Russians deliberately interfered or not in our elections, IF this really was just a Russian psy-op designed to destabilize our country and our trust in institutions, then I think you have to say it was a resounding success.
 
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Honestly, I have no idea what to believe on this Russia election hack story. I can't remember a time when there's been so much disinformation being floated around by the major institutions of our government. CIA saying one thing, FBI another, President pushing the CIA view but possibly for political purposes of discrediting Trump, President-elect Trump saying whatever the hell rabbit runs through his brain at the moment, former NSA agents saying other stuff. And then you have Assange saying it was an inside job, not the Russians.

I think I'm significantly pissed, but I just don't know for sure who it is I'm pissed at yet.
 
e_blazer said:
Honestly, I have no idea what to believe on this Russia election hack story. I can't remember a time when there's been so much disinformation being floated around by the major institutions of our government. CIA saying one thing, FBI another, President pushing the CIA view but possibly for political purposes of discrediting Trump, President-elect Trump saying whatever the hell rabbit runs through his brain at the moment, former NSA agents saying other stuff. And then you have Assange saying it was an inside job, not the Russians.

I think I'm significantly pissed, but I just don't know for sure who it is I'm pissed at yet.
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You would have to ask yourself if Russia would have any reason(s) to try and influence the election and if they have done and/or are doing something similar in other countries.
 
e_blazer said:
Honestly, I have no idea what to believe on this Russia election hack story. I can't remember a time when there's been so much disinformation being floated around by the major institutions of our government. CIA saying one thing, FBI another, President pushing the CIA view but possibly for political purposes of discrediting Trump, President-elect Trump saying whatever the hell rabbit runs through his brain at the moment, former NSA agents saying other stuff. And then you have Assange saying it was an inside job, not the Russians.

I think I'm significantly pissed, but I just don't know for sure who it is I'm pissed at yet.
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At this point we don't even know what is disinformation and what is real. At best, all you can say is that we have two competing narratives and no clear way to separate fact from fiction.

EDIT: calling it an "election hack" probably isn't correct. There's no evidence that the Russians tampered with ballots, but it seems there's at least a possibility that they would favor Trump over Clinton (for any number of reasons) and may have propagandized us with the intent of swinging opinion. If true, then I'd say Putin just gave us a master class in Psy-ops.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You would have to ask yourself if Russia would have any reason(s) to try and influence the election and if they have done and/or are doing something similar in other countries.
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Does Putin have a reason to want Trump in the White House when Trump has been notably more open to doing business with Russia? Sure. Does that mean it was them that did the hack of the DNC and Podesta emails and gave them to Assange? No way of knowing that. Do the Russians (and just about every major government, including US) try to influence political outcomes in other countries from time to time? Sure. I don't see that as particularly significant in pointing the finger at the nasty Bear for this one. I do know that it makes a better narrative in certain political precincts if it was Russia instead of a few pissed off Bernie backers.
 
Nikolokolus said:
At this point we don't even know what is disinformation and what is real. At best, all you can say is that we have two competing narratives and no clear way to separate fact from fiction.

EDIT: calling it an "election hack" probably isn't correct. There's no evidence that the Russians tampered with ballots, but it seems there's at least a possibility that they would favor Trump over Clinton (for any number of reasons) and may have propagandized us with the intent of swinging opinion. If true, then I'd say Putin just gave us a master class in Psy-ops.
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You're absolutely correct on both the "disinformation" and "hack" accounts.
 
e_blazer said:
Does Putin have a reason to want Trump in the White House when Trump has been notably more open to doing business with Russia? Sure. Does that mean it was them that did the hack of the DNC and Podesta emails and gave them to Assange? No way of knowing that. Do the Russians (and just about every major government, including US) try to influence political outcomes in other countries from time to time? Sure. I don't see that as particularly significant in pointing the finger at the nasty Bear for this one. I do know that it makes a better narrative in certain political precincts if it was Russia instead of a few pissed off Bernie backers.
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You do realize that Russia sent troops disguised as rebels into an ally of ours and shot down a commercial airliner in an attempt to assassinate their president, right?

That there is an undersea land rush going on by China and Russia? That China just today seized one of our undersea drones?

Russia and China are playing chess right now and we're arguing over which political party plays the best checkers.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You do realize that Russia sent troops disguised as rebels into an ally of ours and shot down a commercial airliner in an attempt to assassinate their president, right?

That there is an undersea land rush going on by China and Russia? That China just today seized one of our undersea drones?

Russia and China are playing chess right now and we're arguing over which political party plays the best checkers.
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Drain the swamp of those checkers players.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You do realize that Russia sent troops disguised as rebels into an ally of ours and shot down a commercial airliner in an attempt to assassinate their president, right?

That there is an undersea land rush going on by China and Russia? That China just today seized one of our undersea drones?

Russia and China are playing chess right now and we're arguing over which political party plays the best checkers.
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That's a very interesting response. I just don't know what it has to do with understanding who spilled the beans on the Dems nasty inside politics. The fact that Russia and China are messing with our cyber data is well known. The fact that we are doing the same things to them isn't as widely discussed. We have pros on our side who play the game every bit or more effectively as the opposition. That's the case no matter which party thinks it's driving the bus.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
You do realize that Russia sent troops disguised as rebels into an ally of ours and shot down a commercial airliner in an attempt to assassinate their president, right?

That there is an undersea land rush going on by China and Russia? That China just today seized one of our undersea drones?

Russia and China are playing chess right now and we're arguing over which political party plays the best checkers.
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I think we all know that we'd never be able to compete with Russia in chess.

However with what you've detailed, it sounds more like China and Russia are playing Risk.
 
Nikolokolus said:
What's interesting to me is that we have all these intelligence experts here in the forum able to divine what is true and what isn't just by reading other peoples' tweets. Also equally interesting is belief/disbelief seems to break exactly on party lines.

Whether the Russians deliberately interfered or not in our elections, IF this really was just a Russian psy-op designed to destabilize our country and our trust in institutions, then I think you have to say it was a resounding success.
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The best thing about the hack was the fact that we got to see the true colors of the DNC, Hillary and the campaign staff. I could care less about the hack as that shit happens all of the damn time. It's just the nature of the beast coming from my world in I.T. We're hacking people, they're hacking us, it's just a known game that is being played.

The propaganda coming out from the MSM about it is just nonsense. Do not believe what MSM tells you, make your own conclusions based on the facts, not "anonymous sources".

Ultimately, the hack is nothing new, and was happening before 2015.
 
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