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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I’m generally in the “do the right thing” camp (whatever “the right thing” might be this week) and maybe I’m just too stupid to live, but just what is the purpose of these tests??? Omicron is supposedly everywhere, and highly contagious. Most, if not all of us have been exposed (or will be) and some will get sick. What purpose does the test serve?? I work side by side with a lady who recently caught covid from her son and grandchildren. We both wear masks and we are both vaccinated and boosted. I have not gotten sick, yet it would not surprise me if I tested positive. She is back at work and is no longer contagious. And I’m still healthy. I just don’t see what a covid test will do for me other than to prod me to stay home if I test positive. Or I can keep going to work and be exposed time and again by customers who themselves are positive. Six of one, half dozen of another. I’m vaccinated, boosted, wear masks and exercise diligent hygiene. Screw the tests. All they do is prolong the confusion, ignorance and apathy. I guess I’d rather live my life again and trust the vaccine. And fuck anyone and everyone who refuses to get vaccinated. We all get what we deserve in the end……….
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I just delivered a covid test to a mother of 4 for her 8yr old kid who is sick. She and her kids are isolated at home. Her other kids aren't sick. She isn't sick. She wants the test to see if her 8yr old has covid because some of the kid's classmates have covid and he is sick. She needs more information in order to know what to do for her kid that is sick and for the rest of the members of her family. Seems reasonable.
 
jonnyboy said:
You were calling me a conspiracy theorist, which is fine, doesn’t hurt my feelings any. Not really an egregious insult. It does show a lack of argument though when you have to resort to attacking someone’s character because you failed to prove anything related to the actual topic at hand. Dumb little emojis and saying you feel sorry me are just further examples of your poor discourse and avoidance of the topic.
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I said you've been pushing conspiracies. Because you have.

I didn't call you anything.

But this does show how you like to twist actual events to fit your narrative.

But you know what. I should be nicer to you. You've obviously been duped by some charlatan again. I should be feeling sorry for you rather than attempting to engage in discussion anyway.

So sure. As long as we can stack more people into a hospital covid-19 cases in hospitals might not be a problem.

Heck, maybe when we run out of floor space we can try cord wood style?

And don't ever listen to doctors or scientists. They are only out to get you.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
I just delivered a covid test to a mother of 4 for her 8yr old kid who is sick. She and her kids are isolated at home. Her other kids aren't sick. She isn't sick. She wants the test to see if her 8yr old has covid because some of the kid's classmates have covid and he is sick. She needs more information in order to know what to do for her kid that is sick and for the rest of the members of her family. Seems reasonable.
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This podcast is worth a listen It really is. Especially Mike's email from his mother part.

https://www.podbean.com/ew/dir-7yuxa-1204b551
 
Limited hospital capacity leaves patients waiting for surgeries

LINCOLN, Neb. (KOLN) - Rising COVID-19 hospitalizations are limiting access to healthcare of all kinds, from visits to urgent care which are now appointment only, to the ability to transfer to hospitals better equipped for critical care, to elective surgeries.

Over two years of fighting COVID-19, elective surgeries have been paused on and off. Doctors and patients alike tell 10/11 NOW, they’re growing tired of this practice, that was unheard of prior to the pandemic.

Right now, Bryan Health is postponing classes of surgeries that can be postponed between four to 12 weeks without adverse affects to the patient.

“Imagine a cancer patient who has a vascular disease, mild leg pain and in need of a bypass,” Dr. John Trapp, Chief Medical Officer for Bryan Health said. “If it required an overnight stay today we would defer that surgery. The challenge is we’ve been saying that since August.”

Between March 2020 and September 2021, Bryan Health postponed 1,200 procedures and sent many more out to out-patient surgical centers. In just the last three and a half months, the hospital system has cut in-patient surgical stays by 10-15% to make room for other patients.

“When we have basically no hospital capacity already, no additional beds and patients waiting for transfers that need care, bringing in patients that don’t need to be in the hospital for a surgery that could be delayed, that would take a bed for one to five days, not doing those surgeries, that’s how we gain beds,” Dr. Trapp said.

But delaying surgeries isn’t without consequence.

10/11 NOW talked with a Lincoln patient who is currently waiting on a tumor in her uterus to be removed. She wanted to remain anonymous to protect her health information, but she told 10/11 the tumor was discovered in June 2021 and the surgery to remove it keeps getting postponed.

“I feel like I’m in between a rock and a hard place,” the patient told 10/11 NOW. “I’m a single mom of two kids and it’s a scary thing. I’m all alone and it feels like it’s not being taken seriously.”

She told 10/11 NOW scans show the tumor is malignant and growing. The fear has weighed significantly on her mental health.

“You don’t want to bother them (the doctors) because you know they’re so busy, but at the same time it’s like I’m a patient too,” she said.

Dr. Trapp said it’s not an easy choice for doctors to make.

“It’s frustrating to the patient, it’s frustrating for the provider,” Dr. Trapp said. “As this goes on some cases get more difficult and more gut wrenching to make the decision to decide to do surgeries sooner or later. Those are really challenging decisions to weigh the value of getting a surgery done now or providing a bed.”

Dr. Trapp said there are also physical impacts.

“These patients may do well for a period of time but if pain increases, if there’s a new problem or a wound develops, the patient made need surgery more urgently,” Dr. Trapp said. “Delays can require more intensive care, longer hospitalizations and sometimes adverse outcomes we couldn’t anticipate.”

Bryan Health said emergency room visits are up because providers are trying to manage patient symptoms without surgeries.

Dr. Trapp said there’s no easy solution for these problems.

“We need to get open beds so we can have patients in the hospital to get necessary procedures done,” he said. “We also need workforce, nurses, technicians to be available.”

Until then, patients have to wait for surgeries that don’t feel “elective” to them.

“It’s terrifying,” the patient 10/11 NOW spoke to said. “You have to put your faith in God and take it one day at a time.”

https://www.1011now.com/2022/01/18/limited-hospital-capacity-leaves-patients-waiting-surgeries/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Limited hospital capacity leaves patients waiting for surgeries

LINCOLN, Neb. (KOLN) - Rising COVID-19 hospitalizations are limiting access to healthcare of all kinds, from visits to urgent care which are now appointment only, to the ability to transfer to hospitals better equipped for critical care, to elective surgeries.

Over two years of fighting COVID-19, elective surgeries have been paused on and off. Doctors and patients alike tell 10/11 NOW, they’re growing tired of this practice, that was unheard of prior to the pandemic.

Right now, Bryan Health is postponing classes of surgeries that can be postponed between four to 12 weeks without adverse affects to the patient.

“Imagine a cancer patient who has a vascular disease, mild leg pain and in need of a bypass,” Dr. John Trapp, Chief Medical Officer for Bryan Health said. “If it required an overnight stay today we would defer that surgery. The challenge is we’ve been saying that since August.”

Between March 2020 and September 2021, Bryan Health postponed 1,200 procedures and sent many more out to out-patient surgical centers. In just the last three and a half months, the hospital system has cut in-patient surgical stays by 10-15% to make room for other patients.

“When we have basically no hospital capacity already, no additional beds and patients waiting for transfers that need care, bringing in patients that don’t need to be in the hospital for a surgery that could be delayed, that would take a bed for one to five days, not doing those surgeries, that’s how we gain beds,” Dr. Trapp said.

But delaying surgeries isn’t without consequence.

10/11 NOW talked with a Lincoln patient who is currently waiting on a tumor in her uterus to be removed. She wanted to remain anonymous to protect her health information, but she told 10/11 the tumor was discovered in June 2021 and the surgery to remove it keeps getting postponed.

“I feel like I’m in between a rock and a hard place,” the patient told 10/11 NOW. “I’m a single mom of two kids and it’s a scary thing. I’m all alone and it feels like it’s not being taken seriously.”

She told 10/11 NOW scans show the tumor is malignant and growing. The fear has weighed significantly on her mental health.

“You don’t want to bother them (the doctors) because you know they’re so busy, but at the same time it’s like I’m a patient too,” she said.

Dr. Trapp said it’s not an easy choice for doctors to make.

“It’s frustrating to the patient, it’s frustrating for the provider,” Dr. Trapp said. “As this goes on some cases get more difficult and more gut wrenching to make the decision to decide to do surgeries sooner or later. Those are really challenging decisions to weigh the value of getting a surgery done now or providing a bed.”

Dr. Trapp said there are also physical impacts.

“These patients may do well for a period of time but if pain increases, if there’s a new problem or a wound develops, the patient made need surgery more urgently,” Dr. Trapp said. “Delays can require more intensive care, longer hospitalizations and sometimes adverse outcomes we couldn’t anticipate.”

Bryan Health said emergency room visits are up because providers are trying to manage patient symptoms without surgeries.

Dr. Trapp said there’s no easy solution for these problems.

“We need to get open beds so we can have patients in the hospital to get necessary procedures done,” he said. “We also need workforce, nurses, technicians to be available.”

Until then, patients have to wait for surgeries that don’t feel “elective” to them.

“It’s terrifying,” the patient 10/11 NOW spoke to said. “You have to put your faith in God and take it one day at a time.”

https://www.1011now.com/2022/01/18/limited-hospital-capacity-leaves-patients-waiting-surgeries/
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Blah blah blah. 100% capacity or it doesn't matter.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Limited hospital capacity leaves patients waiting for surgeries

LINCOLN, Neb. (KOLN) - Rising COVID-19 hospitalizations are limiting access to healthcare of all kinds, from visits to urgent care which are now appointment only, to the ability to transfer to hospitals better equipped for critical care, to elective surgeries.

Over two years of fighting COVID-19, elective surgeries have been paused on and off. Doctors and patients alike tell 10/11 NOW, they’re growing tired of this practice, that was unheard of prior to the pandemic.

Right now, Bryan Health is postponing classes of surgeries that can be postponed between four to 12 weeks without adverse affects to the patient.

“Imagine a cancer patient who has a vascular disease, mild leg pain and in need of a bypass,” Dr. John Trapp, Chief Medical Officer for Bryan Health said. “If it required an overnight stay today we would defer that surgery. The challenge is we’ve been saying that since August.”

Between March 2020 and September 2021, Bryan Health postponed 1,200 procedures and sent many more out to out-patient surgical centers. In just the last three and a half months, the hospital system has cut in-patient surgical stays by 10-15% to make room for other patients.

“When we have basically no hospital capacity already, no additional beds and patients waiting for transfers that need care, bringing in patients that don’t need to be in the hospital for a surgery that could be delayed, that would take a bed for one to five days, not doing those surgeries, that’s how we gain beds,” Dr. Trapp said.

But delaying surgeries isn’t without consequence.

10/11 NOW talked with a Lincoln patient who is currently waiting on a tumor in her uterus to be removed. She wanted to remain anonymous to protect her health information, but she told 10/11 the tumor was discovered in June 2021 and the surgery to remove it keeps getting postponed.

“I feel like I’m in between a rock and a hard place,” the patient told 10/11 NOW. “I’m a single mom of two kids and it’s a scary thing. I’m all alone and it feels like it’s not being taken seriously.”

She told 10/11 NOW scans show the tumor is malignant and growing. The fear has weighed significantly on her mental health.

“You don’t want to bother them (the doctors) because you know they’re so busy, but at the same time it’s like I’m a patient too,” she said.

Dr. Trapp said it’s not an easy choice for doctors to make.

“It’s frustrating to the patient, it’s frustrating for the provider,” Dr. Trapp said. “As this goes on some cases get more difficult and more gut wrenching to make the decision to decide to do surgeries sooner or later. Those are really challenging decisions to weigh the value of getting a surgery done now or providing a bed.”

Dr. Trapp said there are also physical impacts.

“These patients may do well for a period of time but if pain increases, if there’s a new problem or a wound develops, the patient made need surgery more urgently,” Dr. Trapp said. “Delays can require more intensive care, longer hospitalizations and sometimes adverse outcomes we couldn’t anticipate.”

Bryan Health said emergency room visits are up because providers are trying to manage patient symptoms without surgeries.

Dr. Trapp said there’s no easy solution for these problems.

“We need to get open beds so we can have patients in the hospital to get necessary procedures done,” he said. “We also need workforce, nurses, technicians to be available.”

Until then, patients have to wait for surgeries that don’t feel “elective” to them.

“It’s terrifying,” the patient 10/11 NOW spoke to said. “You have to put your faith in God and take it one day at a time.”

https://www.1011now.com/2022/01/18/limited-hospital-capacity-leaves-patients-waiting-surgeries/
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Imagine someone coming in and saying "you're not full enough! Do my surgery!"

Then yell something about entitlement without a hint of self-awareness.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
It's an hour and 15mins, I'm not going to listen to it. Why not just make your point?
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False-positives and false-negatives are happening all over the place. And from those results, decisions are boing made - such as contact tracing, quarantining, etc. In the case of Rowe's mother, who shared that she has always been super, super careful from the beginning of the outbreak, (i.e. no close contact with others, wearing double masks, vaccine, vaccine booster, second booster, live-stream church, etc., etc.), she was still diagnosed with COVID. She had no symptoms. Meanwhile, her husband had a cough, (the reason they stood in line for 3 hours to get tested) yet was diagnosed negative. At any rate, as they live in a retirement facility, they were instructed to contact trace and quarantine. She's had zero symptoms all along. A very frustrating experience for the both f them.
 
ABM said:
False-positives and false-negatives are happening all over the place. And from those results, decisions are boing made - such as contact tracing, quarantining, etc. In the case of Rowe's mother, who shared that she has always been super, super careful from the beginning of the outbreak, (i.e. no close contact with others, wearing double masks, vaccine, vaccine booster, second booster, live-stream church, etc., etc.), she was still diagnosed with COVID. She had no symptoms. Meanwhile, her husband had a cough, (the reason they stood in line for 3 hours to get tested) yet was diagnosed negative. At any rate, as they live in a retirement facility, they were instructed to contact trace and quarantine. She's had zero symptoms all along. A very frustrating experience for the both f them.
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The horrors.

So his mom had asymptomatic covid and her husband didn't?

And they live in a retirement facility?

And they were both asked to stay home which they were already doing?

So outrageous!
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I’m generally in the “do the right thing” camp (whatever “the right thing” might be this week) and maybe I’m just too stupid to live, but just what is the purpose of these tests??? Omicron is supposedly everywhere, and highly contagious. Most, if not all of us have been exposed (or will be) and some will get sick. What purpose does the test serve?? I work side by side with a lady who recently caught covid from her son and grandchildren. We both wear masks and we are both vaccinated and boosted. I have not gotten sick, yet it would not surprise me if I tested positive. She is back at work and is no longer contagious. And I’m still healthy. I just don’t see what a covid test will do for me other than to prod me to stay home if I test positive. Or I can keep going to work and be exposed time and again by customers who themselves are positive. Six of one, half dozen of another. I’m vaccinated, boosted, wear masks and exercise diligent hygiene. Screw the tests. All they do is prolong the confusion, ignorance and apathy. I guess I’d rather live my life again and trust the vaccine. And fuck anyone and everyone who refuses to get vaccinated. We all get what we deserve in the end……….
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The tests have stopped the spread in workplaces where my daughter in law works and got her working remotely from an office at home until it's safe to interract again...the result kept her whole team covid free as well as their families and the one person who got it quarantined and got better.....it's simple. I understand your view but the tests have protected people from infecting others...some with compromised immune systems ..good luck with the public contact man....you're a lot braver than I am. I hope it's all washed out in the spring here...South Africa has seen it go dormant so far and we're a couple months behind them but they lost something like 55k people immediately when it hit..testing helped them get to this point. I'm of the better safe than sorry mindset about safety protocols
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
The horrors.

So his mom had asymptomatic covid and her husband didn't?

And they live in a retirement facility?

And they were both asked to stay home which they were already doing?

So outrageous!
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She probably doesn't have it. I put as much faith in these tests as you put in Trump.
 
ABM said:
She probably doesn't have it. I put as much faith in these tests as you put in Trump.
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In that case you should absolutely refuse to get them....let people who value them get them in your place and then donate to Trump's defense fund.
 
riverman said:
In that case you should absolutely refuse to get them....let people who value them get them in your place and then donate to Trump's defense fund.
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As mentioned, I'm going best 4-of-7. There's safety in numbers.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The horrors.

So his mom had asymptomatic covid and her husband didn't?

And they live in a retirement facility?

And they were both asked to stay home which they were already doing?

So outrageous!
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GO OUT AND RISK YOURSELVES!

because everyone should just assume it's a false positive or a false negative.

Seriously... Have people forgotten about the fucking basics of science? It's absurd.
 
Strenuus said:
GO OUT AND RISK YOURSELVES!

because everyone should just assume it's a false positive or a false negative.

Seriously... Have people forgotten about the fucking basics of science? It's absurd.
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Weird science. Cali has performed more tests per mil than most other states, yet has yielded the highest amount of cases and deaths.

COVID TESTS.jpg
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...lobal-cases-surge-by-20percent-in-a-week.html


WHO says omicron won't be last Covid variant as global cases surge by 20% in a week



KEY POINTS
  • Dr. Bruce Aylward, a senior WHO official, warned high levels of transmission give the virus more opportunity to replicate and mutate, raising the risk that another variant will emerge.
  • New infections have increased by 20% globally over the past week with nearly 19 million total reported cases.
  • "This pandemic is nowhere near over," WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreysus said
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Limited hospital capacity leaves patients waiting for surgeries

LINCOLN, Neb. (KOLN) - Rising COVID-19 hospitalizations are limiting access to healthcare of all kinds, from visits to urgent care which are now appointment only, to the ability to transfer to hospitals better equipped for critical care, to elective surgeries.

Over two years of fighting COVID-19, elective surgeries have been paused on and off. Doctors and patients alike tell 10/11 NOW, they’re growing tired of this practice, that was unheard of prior to the pandemic.

Right now, Bryan Health is postponing classes of surgeries that can be postponed between four to 12 weeks without adverse affects to the patient.

“Imagine a cancer patient who has a vascular disease, mild leg pain and in need of a bypass,” Dr. John Trapp, Chief Medical Officer for Bryan Health said. “If it required an overnight stay today we would defer that surgery. The challenge is we’ve been saying that since August.”

Between March 2020 and September 2021, Bryan Health postponed 1,200 procedures and sent many more out to out-patient surgical centers. In just the last three and a half months, the hospital system has cut in-patient surgical stays by 10-15% to make room for other patients.

“When we have basically no hospital capacity already, no additional beds and patients waiting for transfers that need care, bringing in patients that don’t need to be in the hospital for a surgery that could be delayed, that would take a bed for one to five days, not doing those surgeries, that’s how we gain beds,” Dr. Trapp said.

But delaying surgeries isn’t without consequence.

10/11 NOW talked with a Lincoln patient who is currently waiting on a tumor in her uterus to be removed. She wanted to remain anonymous to protect her health information, but she told 10/11 the tumor was discovered in June 2021 and the surgery to remove it keeps getting postponed.

“I feel like I’m in between a rock and a hard place,” the patient told 10/11 NOW. “I’m a single mom of two kids and it’s a scary thing. I’m all alone and it feels like it’s not being taken seriously.”

She told 10/11 NOW scans show the tumor is malignant and growing. The fear has weighed significantly on her mental health.

“You don’t want to bother them (the doctors) because you know they’re so busy, but at the same time it’s like I’m a patient too,” she said.

Dr. Trapp said it’s not an easy choice for doctors to make.

“It’s frustrating to the patient, it’s frustrating for the provider,” Dr. Trapp said. “As this goes on some cases get more difficult and more gut wrenching to make the decision to decide to do surgeries sooner or later. Those are really challenging decisions to weigh the value of getting a surgery done now or providing a bed.”

Dr. Trapp said there are also physical impacts.

“These patients may do well for a period of time but if pain increases, if there’s a new problem or a wound develops, the patient made need surgery more urgently,” Dr. Trapp said. “Delays can require more intensive care, longer hospitalizations and sometimes adverse outcomes we couldn’t anticipate.”

Bryan Health said emergency room visits are up because providers are trying to manage patient symptoms without surgeries.

Dr. Trapp said there’s no easy solution for these problems.

“We need to get open beds so we can have patients in the hospital to get necessary procedures done,” he said. “We also need workforce, nurses, technicians to be available.”

Until then, patients have to wait for surgeries that don’t feel “elective” to them.

“It’s terrifying,” the patient 10/11 NOW spoke to said. “You have to put your faith in God and take it one day at a time.”

https://www.1011now.com/2022/01/18/limited-hospital-capacity-leaves-patients-waiting-surgeries/
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Can’t be true
 
ABM said:
She probably doesn't have it. I put as much faith in these tests as you put in Trump.
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I would look at these tests similar to at-home pregnancy tests. With the pregnancy test if you test positive or pregnant it doesn't mean you stay home and do nothing. It means you contact your doctor and proceed from there. If you test positive for covid you should contact your doctor, especially if you are not vaccinated. If you are vaccinated and boosted you should still contact your doctor but unless symptoms get bad you should consider that you do have covid and you should stay away from people.

Right now hospitals and clinics don't have the ability to see everyone with the sniffles and a headache. These at-home tests HELP to triage so everyone can get the care they need.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I would think that Deaths/1 million would be a more accurate look at what's going on.
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Well, I'd think the more tests that are out there, the less deaths. Kinda why I posted the chart.

But I do get the deaths/mil argument, as well.
 
ABM said:
Well, I'd think the more tests that are out there, the less deaths. Kinda why I posted the chart.

But I do get the deaths/mil argument, as well.
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Tests don't prevent infection or transmission. They only provide information and is up to the individual to act on it responsibly. Up until today, I hadn't considered that there could be people like you who are going to discount what the test result is until they get the result they want. "I just took 7 tests, 6 say positive, 1 says negative so I guess I'm negative!"
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Tests don't prevent infection or transmission. They only provide information and is up to the individual to act on it responsibly. Up until today, I hadn't considered that there could be people like you who are going to discount what the test result is until they get the result they want. "I just took 7 tests, 6 say positive, 1 says negative so I guess I'm negative!"
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Face it, everyone's gonna get COVID, Omicron, or whatever the next strain ends up being. Once you come to that conclusion, your life becomes easier. Sure don't take cavalier risks, but when you get symptoms that don't seem right, get tested.

I had energy level, headache, and sneezy symptoms right after Christmas and posted in here that fact. I tested negative, yet continued to have those same symptoms following that. I'm convinced I received a false-negative. I was tested at a Vanderbilt clinic, so I'm assuming they correctly test. Got one of those deep cavity ones that sting pretty good.

Anyway, I feel fine now, so whatever.
 
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ABM said:
Face it, everyone's gonna get COVID, Omicron, or whatever the next strain ends up being. Once you come to that conclusion, your life becomes easier. Sure don't take cavalier risks, but when you get symptoms that don't seem right, get tested.

I had energy level, headache, and sneezy symptoms right after Christmas and posted in here that fact. I tested negative, yet continued to have those same symptoms following that. I'm convinced I received a false-negative. I was tested at a Vanderbilt clinic, so I'm assuming they correctly test. Got one of those deep cavity ones that sting pretty good.

Anyway, I feel fine now, so whatever.
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So you had cold and flu-like symptoms and ran to a medical facility for a covid test when a home test would have given you the same diagnosis.

Thank you for proving why home tests are important.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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So you had cold and flu-like symptoms and ran to a medical facility for a covid test when a home test would have given you the same diagnosis.

Thank you for proving why home tests are important.
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I'd trust Vanderbilt over a home test any day.
 
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