OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting (1 Viewer)

[Orion Bailey]

That ain't hard. C'mon.

When one is already vaxxed. Get to hit replay on the tv but not live, yes it is hard to wear the mask.
Maybe some of us here should not statecwhat is or isnt hard for others when everyone is dofferent?

i mean i just read that someone has no time or patience for facts but yet asserts his opinions on others as if they are facts and if they disagree they get belittled and demeaned?


Some of yall just gotta stop.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Got it.

just wow….

i have no patience for facts either. But if you dont listen to me……

Sigh…

 

[Orion Bailey]

Anyhow just bringing what i thought was relevant news. Not condemning or supporting anyone in thier opinions and choices. Hope people find the info useful.

 

[tykendo]

not everyone is okay with being a guinea pig.
Also. These days the scientific studies have not been completed and whackjobs have infiltrated the database to muddy the waters so facts are no longer clear.
Everything has become political to the point that the facts are not easy to find. If they even exist. BUt yet many take partial info aNd base a judgement off of it and call it a fact when it really isnt.

There is alot to this, no doubt, but lets not start judging/condemning others because they are not accepting the nonfactual as factual and prefer to let things run its course before hastily jumping into things. Which, realistically is what has happened since march of last year… or more.

When i went into the Service, i don't remember one guy saying, nope! ain't gonna inject me, Eyes gotz rights. We were committing to the service of this country. To me, that's what getting the vaccine is. Service to your fellow man.

 

[THE HCP]

Masks required too, which is a dealbreaker for me. Likely not going to attend any games where masks are required, it'll be more fun to just watch on TV tbh.

If everyone in attendance is vaccinated or has a negative test, why the mask mandate?

SIGH

 

[THE HCP]

Lock this fucking thread. Take all this bullshit to the OT page!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

SIGH

Again:

If everyone is vaccinated or has a negative COVID test, then why the mask mandate? The whole point of the vaccines was so we can get back to normal life.

 

[donkiez]

Do you have to get a booster that’s the same make as your original vaccine? Or could you get say a J&J booster although you had the Pfizer originally?

The booster should be the same but it apparently doesn't hurt to get multiple vaccines. My friend at the clinic says they already see lots of people slipping in for boosters already, or swapping from J&J to moderna because that one is better. They also think the j&j will eventually be phased out.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The booster should be the same but it apparently doesn't hurt to get multiple vaccines. My friend at the clinic says they already see lots of people slipping in for boosters already, or swapping from J&J to moderna because that one is better. They also think the j&j will eventually be phased out.

What are the reactions to the boosters like?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I am fully vaccinated and will get my booster as soon as it’s available.

That being said, fully vaxed shouldn’t mean shit. Negative tests and masks are really important. After being vaccinated, I got COVID. I had minor symptoms, but could spread it.

 

[illmatic99]

Again:

If everyone is vaccinated or has a negative COVID test, then why the mask mandate? The whole point of the vaccines was so we can get back to normal life.

because a tiny portion of the public (very very very small) can still have breakthrough infections even after vaccinations. While they probably won't die or get hospitalized, they can still spread to others and continue to propagate the virus. Masks can help in that regard. These are steps required because like half the country is still unvaccinated unfortunately.

Your irritation at this mandate shouldn't be at the Blazers or the Governor, but rather at the people learning science from Facebook.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Everyone is entitled to thier own opinions regarding the vax and effectiveness of it. There is nothing truly concrete and clear.
With that said, im fully vaxxed… reluctantly.

you are correct its a privilege but then so are sooo many things in life.

agreed. but they don’t need to come to games if they can’t adhere to the rules.

 

[Orion Bailey]

When i went into the Service, i don't remember one guy saying, nope! ain't gonna inject me, Eyes gotz rights. We were committing to the service of this country. To me, that's what getting the vaccine is. Service to your fellow man.

you had a choice to enter the service. i also believe once you do you are giving up certain rights and are owned by the government.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I just figured the people who choose to continually shit all over stupid religious types may be willing to provide some insight into the why we’re here. Or maybe their only answer is to berate others.

you mean the same “stupid religious types” that shit all over everyone else? most widely-practiced religions are inherently exclusive and narrow minded.

 

[PDXFonz]

This just makes perfect sense and I can understand why they will be requiring it.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

What are the reactions to the boosters like?

like a rocket ship, FAMS!

 

[Lanny]

I thought Fauci was the magical wizard who controls our collective destinies?

That's some primo shit you're smokin' there.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Thing is, if you don't want to get the vaccine (I'll never understand why, but regardless), it's so easy to have a picture on a phone that will get you in.....

As for mask wearing - I absolutely agree it lessens the experience - the games at the end of the year just felt weird. I'm willing to go along with it while we have this variant spike - but eventually that needs to go away for the vaccinated.

 

[RR7]

just wow….

i have no patience for facts either. But if you dont listen to me……

Sigh…

Maybe you should read what @illmatic99 wrote, instead of what it was changed to?

Spare me your facebook learnings-- i have no patience for nonsense any longer.

I have degrees in science, worked in big Pharma for over a decade, and have spoken (sadly in failed interviews) with scientists at Moderna who came up with the technology to design these vaccines. I know what's real and what's fake. I'm past dealing with psychos on the internet who think they know shit because they get passed messages trickled down from Q.

 

[illmatic99]

But half the country being unvaccinated is irrelevant. Everyone in the Moda Center will be vaccinated or have a negative test. The risks are minimal.

it isn't irrelevant when the fans inside are still exposed to the 50% unvaccinated people outside Moda and can become carriers inside. How many of them inside have kids who could be carriers? I'm OK with siding with a better-safe-than-sorry approach, however minimal the risk is.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

it isn't irrelevant when the fans inside are still exposed to the 50% unvaccinated people outside Moda

So we'll never get rid of mask mandates is what you are saying. Because those numbers won't change.

The narrative from 3 months ago is "get vaccinated, and you won't have to wear the mask". Now its "vaccination required and even though everyone is vaccinated or covid-negative tested, you'll still need to wear the mask".

 

[donkiez]

What are the reactions to the boosters like?

Don't know for sure. The people who have been getting them are doing so against the rules so they are not reporting back. My guess would be similar to the second shot reaction.

 

[illmatic99]

So we'll never get rid of mask mandates is what you are saying. Because those numbers won't change.

I attended seminars given by people in public health last year. Vaccine hesitancy was projected to be the primary hindrance to our return to normalcy. It's bearing out now.

Frankly, i'm happily surprised to read of Kate Brown's upcoming outdoor mask mandate.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

it isn't irrelevant when the fans inside are still exposed to the 50% unvaccinated people outside Moda and can become carriers inside. How many of them inside have kids who could be carriers? I'm OK with siding with a better-safe-than-sorry approach, however minimal the risk is.

Kids shouldn't be allowed.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I attended seminars given by people in public health last year. Vaccine hesitancy was projected to be the primary hindrance to our return to normalcy. It's bearing out now.

Frankly, i'm happily surprised to read of Kate Brown's upcoming outdoor mask mandate.

But this is a controlled environment. What's the solution, rapid testing everyone before the game to minimize the risk even further? Masks, while effective, are still not perfect in preventing transmission.

 

[illmatic99]

The narrative from 3 months ago is "get vaccinated, and you won't have to wear the mask". Now its "vaccination required and even though everyone is vaccinated or covid-negative tested, you'll still need to wear the mask".

nah, you're twisting this. Everyone isn't vaccinated. Nearly half the country isn't. For the herd to be immune, a large population needs to be vaccinated and they just aren't. And the science is clear about carriers and efficacy.

No vaccine is 100% efficacious, but nearly every metric in every endpoint in massive clinical trials with COVID vaccines, the ones now are a marvel of modern science.

 

[illmatic99]

But this is a controlled environment. What's the solution, rapid testing everyone before the game to minimize the risk even further?

It is NOT a controlled environment when unvaccinated kids are present and people are still going about in public unmasked like normal.

It's not testing. In my mind, the solution is to go door to door vaccinating people, or penalizing them for not getting shots. Banning them from games is an example of it. Delta essentially fining their employees for not getting it is another example.

Incentivizing people didn't do jack shit to the vaccination rates, but maybe it's time to get the stick now instead of the carrot.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

nah, you're twisting this. Everyone isn't vaccinated. Nearly half the country isn't. For the herd to be immune, a large population needs to be vaccinated and they just aren't. And the science is clear about carriers and efficacy.

No vaccine is 100% efficacious, but nearly every metric in every endpoint in massive clinical trials with COVID vaccines, the ones now are a marvel of modern science.

Everyone who attends the game will be vaccinated OR have a 72 hour negative COVID test. I think bearing this in mind and the relative risks, they shouldn't require masks. For one, it will show people who AREN'T vaccinated sitting at home, that people can enjoy life with no masks, normal. cheer the local hometown basketball sqaud.

But with the mask mandates, people at home are gonna be watching people on TV in masks, thinking the vaccines are bullshit because even if EVERYONE has the vaccine or negative COVID-test, they still have to have the mask on.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It is NOT a controlled environment when unvaccinated kids are present and people are still going about in public unmasked like normal.

It's not testing. In my mind, the solution is to go door to door vaccinating people, or penalizing them for not getting shots. Banning them from games is an example of it. Delta essentially fining their employees for not getting it is another example.

Incentivizing people didn't do jack shit to the vaccination rates, but maybe it's time to get the stick now instead of the carrot.

Unvaccinated kids shouldn't be allowed at games if there is a vaccine mandate. Religious or health exceptions shouldn't be made either.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Maybe you should read what @illmatic99 wrote, instead of what it was changed to?

I missed the original post.


But the no one said anything about facebook.

besides the statement he responded to was a fact. The response was having no patience for facebook crap.

Not really relevant. I found the post i commented on to be more relevant.